Where I got no offered Forum

[sinfiery]

wouldn't the assumption be they don't last long after starting?

Presumably. But only after unnecessarily wasting a couple months/years of the firm's time.

but arguably the maintenance of a good reputation for desirable law students to consider would neutralize if not exceed that cost

I think that's the poster's point. The firm shouldn't even have to worry about taking a reputation dip for no-offering someone that deserves it but they do.

I'll preface this by saying I don't know anything, but the impression I get from reading up on how SAs work is that next to no one deserves a no-offer for going through this SA exercise in douchbagaery for 3 months.

This is amplified by the current system in which 3 months of extra pay that comes with an "offer" cost for the firm can almost never compare to the stigma of being no-offered for the SA. And this amplification via asymmetrical risk allocation is why law firms should absolutely have to worry about something more than their short term calculus.

[Anonymous User]

I'll bite.

Balch & Bingham in Birmingham no offered 3/9 2Ls and 3/8 1Ls this summer.

[bjsesq]

I'll bite.

Balch & Bingham in Birmingham no offered 3/9 2Ls and 3/8 1Ls this summer.

Thank you for offering something other than fucking speculation. Christ.

[goden]

Ty bj and anonymous

[ResIpsa21]

I'll preface this by saying I don't know anything, but the impression I get from reading up on how SAs work is that next to no one deserves a no-offer for going through this SA exercise in douchbagaery for 3 months.

This depends on the firm, and is more accurate for firms that do rotations or have informal work assignment systems. Many firms hire summers for specific practice groups, try to integrate them with certain partners, and give them legitimate substantive work. Summers at this type of firm deserve a no-offer (in my opinion) if they repeatedly demonstrate that they are not capable of handling the work of biglaw (e.g. missing deadlines, producing useless work product, etc.).

This is amplified by the current system in which 3 months of extra pay that comes with an "offer" cost for the firm can almost never compare to the stigma of being no-offered for the SA. And this amplification via asymmetrical risk allocation is why law firms should absolutely have to worry about something more than their short term calculus.

Not sure I totally follow this, but I understand this to mean "summers have a lot to lose by getting no-offered, so law firms need to worry about the message they send to future summer classes if they no-offer anyone." This is probably right, but describing it as a "short-term calculus" is not. If an incompetent summer gets an offer, the firm will lose out on (1) hundreds of thousands of dollars in salary and overhead until the summer/associate leaves or is fired; (2) hundreds of thousands of dollars in duplicated, unbillable hours while other lawyers fix the summer/associate's work; and (3) the opportunity to hire a competent associate through 3L OCI or on the lateral market.

[Anonymous User]

Fredrikson & Byron no offered about a third of their summer class in 2012 (myself included).

[84651846190]

I'll bite.

Balch & Bingham in Birmingham no offered 3/9 2Ls and 3/8 1Ls this summer.

Somebody give this guy a handjob. The rest of you ITT who are just fucking around need to go play some flag football in a minefield.

[bjsesq]

I'll bite.

Balch & Bingham in Birmingham no offered 3/9 2Ls and 3/8 1Ls this summer.

Somebody give this guy a handjob. The rest of you ITT who are just fucking around need to go play some flag football in a minefield.

This.

[Anonymous User]

Holland & Knight (Atlanta) no-offered two of my classmates, class of 2010.
Bryan Cave (Atlanta) no-offered one.
King & Spalding (Atlanta) no-offered one.
Balch & Bingham (Atlanta) no-offered one. (Well, actually, this was a 2L SA gig that was rescinded in April of 2L year).

#neverforget

[Anonymous User]

Balch & Bingham (Atlanta) no-offered one. (Well, actually, this was a 2L SA gig that was rescinded in April of 2L year).

Please explain

[Anonymous User]

Schiff Harding no-offered in their AA office. Don't know the kid or why, just word of mouth.

[Anonymous User]

Balch & Bingham (Atlanta) no-offered one. (Well, actually, this was a 2L SA gig that was rescinded in April of 2L year).

Please explain

"Oh hai 2L. We really liked you at OCI and during your callback. And we were so happy to extend you an offer for summer employment with our firm. And we were just tickled that you accepted the offer promptly. But you see, now that 5 months have passed, and you have no ability to get another biglaw summer associate position, we realized that financially it doesn't make sense blah blah blah economic reality blah blah blah. So please do not show up to our office this summer on the 'start date' we told you. Thank you, and have a wonderful life. You are really a good candidate and I'm sure will be successful wherever you end up."

-- some boomer.

(This is a work of fiction but i imagine the conversation went something like it. )

[Anonymous User]

Balch & Bingham (Atlanta) no-offered one. (Well, actually, this was a 2L SA gig that was rescinded in April of 2L year).

Please explain

"Oh hai 2L. We really liked you at OCI and during your callback. And we were so happy to extend you an offer for summer employment with our firm. And we were just tickled that you accepted the offer promptly. But you see, now that 5 months have passed, and you have no ability to get another biglaw summer associate position, we realized that financially it doesn't make sense blah blah blah economic reality blah blah blah. So please do not show up to our office this summer on the 'start date' we told you. Thank you, and have a wonderful life. You are really a good candidate and I'm sure will be successful wherever you end up."

-- some boomer.

(This is a work of fiction but i imagine the conversation went something like it. )

Was this for summer 2014?

[Anonymous User]

Was this for summer 2014?

class of 2010.
#neverforget

[Anonymous User]

Greenberg Traurig.

[Anonymous User]

Greenberg Traurig.

Mind stating the office?

[sublime]

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[Anonymous User]

Greenberg Traurig.

Mind stating the office?

Not a big one. Why?

[Anonymous User]

Greenberg Traurig.

Mind stating the office?

Not a big one. Why?

Have a CB with them. It shouldn't affect anything at this stage for me but could potentially down the road if I have choices to make.

[Anonymous User]

Greenberg Traurig.

Mind stating the office?

Not a big one. Why?

Have a CB with them. It shouldn't affect anything at this stage for me but could potentially down the road if I have choices to make.

They certainly don't have a 100% offer policy.

[Anonymous User]

Cooley SF and PA no offered 1/6 and 1/~15 respectively in 2012. Performance & fit reasons.

[Anonymous User]

Lest we forget Brown Rudnick rescinding 10/22 offers from their 2013 summer class a week before graduation.

[Anonymous User]

Finnegan no-offered 2/15 in DC back in 2012.

[Anonymous User]

Not a big one. Why?

Have a CB with them. It shouldn't affect anything at this stage for me but could potentially down the road if I have choices to make.

They certainly don't have a 100% offer policy.

Keep in mind that just because a firm doesn't have a 100% offer rate doesn't necessarily mean you shouldn't work there. My firm no-offered 2 out of 30ish, and I can assure you that both of then deserved the no offer.

[soj]

Not a big one. Why?

Have a CB with them. It shouldn't affect anything at this stage for me but could potentially down the road if I have choices to make.

They certainly don't have a 100% offer policy.

Keep in mind that just because a firm doesn't have a 100% offer rate doesn't necessarily mean you shouldn't work there. My firm no-offered 2 out of 30ish, and I can assure you that both of then deserved the no offer.

Good lord you are stupid. No one asked you to editorialize, and at least  out your firm if you're gonna be anon.