What's with all these pre-OCI offers? Forum

[Anonymous User]

I go to NU and don't know any non-Quinn non-1L SA offers. I may just be way out of the loop though.

[Anonymous User]

FWIW It seems CSO is aware of this trend at my t-14 and does not appear to be happy about it. For many reasons I'm sure, but I'd imagine they are not looking forward to the phone call when a V20 that did not recruit early wants to know why so many students backed out of their interviews.

this sort of defeats the purpose behind the lottery system... and OCI...

[Anonymous User]

So what should we expect from OCI? Does the early timeline bode poorly for people who didn't get mass-mailing offers beforehand?

[Genthree]

So what should we expect from OCI? Does the early timeline bode poorly for people who didn't get mass-mailing offers beforehand?

I imagine it just means that everything will be sorted out earlier. If the top kids are already accepting the top offers, they aren't stringing firms along for 28 days and delaying everything for everyone else.

[Anonymous User]

That would be nice. I guess I'm just concerned because while I expected to supplement OCI with mass mailing firms in secondary markets that weren't coming, I had no plans to mass mail NYC firms that I already had OCI interviews with and/or could go the wait list and hospitality suite route. I'm wondering if I should be concerned that OCI seems to be eroding.

How do you even mass-mail firms that are coming to your OCI if you (1) already have a screener or (2) bid but didn't get them or (3) didn't bid on them. What are you supposed to say in your letter?

(Thanks!)

[Genthree]

That would be nice. I guess I'm just concerned because while I expected to supplement OCI with mass mailing firms in secondary markets that weren't coming, I had no plans to mass mail NYC firms that I already had OCI interviews with and/or could go the wait list and hospitality suite route. I'm wondering if I should be concerned that OCI seems to be eroding.

How do you even mass-mail firms that are coming to your OCI if you (1) already have a screener or (2) bid but didn't get them or (3) didn't bid on them. What are you supposed to say in your letter?

(Thanks!)

The firms are still giving out the same number of offers and there are still the same number of students vying for them. It theoretically shouldn't have a massive effect on who gets those jobs, just when and how it all happens.

[Anonymous User]

FWIW, I had a callback interview in my secondary market yesterday with a firm that turned me down for a screener at OCI. To be clear, this wasn't an accident or oversight since the firm only has one recruiter. I'm at a T20, so this trend isn't limited to top schools or firms.

[84651846190]

OCI has been moving sooner and sooner and sooner for a while. I think some firms are trying to crash the gates a bit. Quinn must be doing well with their system. A lot of law students talk about it as if it were Boies or something. Lol.

Law is a competitive and prestige-driven field and everyone wants to be better than their classmates. Having an offer a month before anyone else does is a huge ego boost and also allows you to go into OCI with a lot more confidence. It also means that Quinn gets to plant a seed in your mind that is able to grow significantly before you even think about other firms. I know a number of people who would not have even thought about going to Quinn a few months ago, but are seriously considering it now that they have an offer.

God bless those poor Quinn associates. *shudders*

[Anonymous User]

Damn this gives me anxiety. median at MVP, 0 responses to mass mail

[Anonymous User]

Damn this gives me anxiety. median at MVP, 0 responses to mass mail

I think this process is only for the top x% of students and the hustlers. OCI will still make up the bulk of offers.

[Anonymous User]

Damn this gives me anxiety. median at MVP, 0 responses to mass mail

Although I'm higher than median (also at MVP), I only received about 5-6 responses from about 30-40 targeted emails I sent out. And about half of those basically told me to wait until OCI. I wouldn't stress about that too much.

[Mal Reynolds]

Damn this gives me anxiety. median at MVP, 0 responses to mass mail

Although I'm higher than median (also at MVP), I only received about 5-6 responses from about 30-40 targeted emails I sent out. And about half of those basically told me to wait until OCI. I wouldn't stress about that too much.

Lol those are significantly better results than zero responses.

[Anonymous User]

Damn this gives me anxiety. median at MVP, 0 responses to mass mail

Top 10-20% at CCN and one bite (no offer yet) in a secondary market. Nothing from NYC.

[Anonymous User]

Damn this gives me anxiety. median at MVP, 0 responses to mass mail

I think this process is only for the top x% of students and the hustlers. OCI will still make up the bulk of offers.

I'm median at UVA and have a pre-OGI callback next week that I set up through an alum partner. This is definitely NOT limited to top grades. I have also had requests for more info - writing samples, references, undergrad grades - from a few firms who also asked if I would be in the area soon; I expect to have those scheduled soon (though they'll likely get pushed until after OGI because of the timing).

I think the important thing to do now (and future years) is hustle with the expectation you won't get a job through OGI. FWIW, I think the market itself is also recovering. Again I am median at UVA. I have 16 screeners through job fairs and 10 interviews (with lots of alternates and the lottery still to come) at OGI. The small asterisk on all this is that I have been networking insanely all summer with alums.

[Anonymous User]

Damn this gives me anxiety. median at MVP, 0 responses to mass mail

I think this process is only for the top x% of students and the hustlers. OCI will still make up the bulk of offers.

I'm median at UVA and have a pre-OGI callback next week that I set up through an alum partner. This is definitely NOT limited to top grades. I have also had requests for more info - writing samples, references, undergrad grades - from a few firms who also asked if I would be in the area soon; I expect to have those scheduled soon (though they'll likely get pushed until after OGI because of the timing).

I think the important thing to do now (and future years) is hustle with the expectation you won't get a job through OGI. FWIW, I think the market itself is also recovering. Again I am median at UVA. I have 16 screeners through job fairs and 10 interviews (with lots of alternates and the lottery still to come) at OGI. The small asterisk on all this is that I have been networking insanely all summer with alums.

Top grades + hustlers is what they were referring to, I believe. I think you definitely count as having hustled a bit.

I'm median at CCN and have gotten nibbles only (a screener that should become a callback in a few weeks at a smaller firm in my home market and a screener coming up in my home market at a bigger firm). I also have a V50 callback through networking.

[Anonymous User]

People here at NU are definitely having some success with the pre-OCI hustle outside of Quinn, at least for 1) Firms not coming to OCI, or 2) Specific offices that aren't coming to OCI (e.g. not every Kirkland office interviews at NU). I don't know about any full-blown offers (people are being cool and aren't shouting that shit from the rooftops), but people are definitely taking CBs at firms before OCI has started anywhere.

[Anonymous User]

People here at NU are definitely having some success with the pre-OCI hustle outside of Quinn, at least for 1) Firms not coming to OCI, or 2) Specific offices that aren't coming to OCI (e.g. not every Kirkland office interviews at NU). I don't know about any full-blown offers (people are being cool and aren't shouting that shit from the rooftops), but people are definitely taking CBs at firms before OCI has started anywhere.

Yes. There are people with Quinn + another offer outside of Chicago.

[Anonymous User]

T60 school but have already received a CB from V10 DC firm. Mass mail --> Screener --> now CB

[Anonymous User]

I am in LA and it seems like no firms have extended offers yet. Are the firm's getting in on the action early mainly NYC or East coast offices?

Agreed. I'm in LA as well and no one I've talked to (people ~top 3% at multiple LA law schools) has heard a peep from mass-mailing yet, except from firms who have decided not to do a SA program in LA although they have in years past.

[Anonymous User]

I know one 1L student from GW got an offer from Jones Day in D.C.

[soj]

Shame on you if you are somehow surprised that rising 2Ls have offers. Of course they have offers. Recruiting is well underway. Instead of sitting on your ass and waiting for OCI to start, send out mass mails and applications.

[Anonymous User]

Shame on you if you are somehow surprised that rising 2Ls have offers. Of course they have offers. Recruiting is well underway. Instead of sitting on your ass and waiting for OCI to start, send out mass mails and applications.

I think its more surprise at the seemingly high number of them. Dont assume were all just sitting on our asses, I've mass mailed to basically every firm in nyc and my home market and haven't heard anything back.

[soj]

Shame on you if you are somehow surprised that rising 2Ls have offers. Of course they have offers. Recruiting is well underway. Instead of sitting on your ass and waiting for OCI to start, send out mass mails and applications.

I think its more surprise at the seemingly high number of them. Dont assume were all just sitting on our asses, I've mass mailed to basically every firm in nyc and my home market and haven't heard anything back.

i didn't assume, i know from following this forum that plenty of rising 2ls are indeed sitting on their asses and wasting time even if you in particular aren't. if that doesn't apply to you, good for you and keep up the hard work. not hearing good news is no reason to stop--it's more reason to keep going. manufacture some ties and try other markets.

[Anonymous User]

I am in LA and it seems like no firms have extended offers yet. Are the firm's getting in on the action early mainly NYC or East coast offices?

Agreed. I'm in LA as well and no one I've talked to (people ~top 3% at multiple LA law schools) has heard a peep from mass-mailing yet, except from firms who have decided not to do a SA program in LA although they have in years past.

I'm not at that grade position but at CCN and have heard from one LA firm about a screener. It's a good satellite office.

[sundance95]

I have also had requests for more info - writing samples, references, undergrad grades - from a few firms who also asked if I would be in the area soon; I expect to have those scheduled soon (though they'll likely get pushed until after OGI because of the timing).

PSA: "Will you be in the area soon?" = "Sure, we'll interview you but we sure as shit ain't flying you out and putting you up on our dime. Get some other firm to do it and we'll talk."

Find a way to get out there and you probably have a free CB.