What is fair pay for midlaw entry-level Forum

BobsYourMan30 · Post by **BobsYourMan30** » Sat Apr 05, 2014 7:17 pm

twenty 8 wrote:
BobsYourMan30 wrote:Hi everyone,

... they have offered to pay me 85k per year. Is this a fair wage? Market in my area pays 140k.
Were you not aware of the disparity in market pay when you were an SA or is there more to your story?

I wouldn't mind the disparity if we were all overpaid like at biglaw. I was actually an SA at a big firm but was not offered a spot.

BobsYourMan30 · Post by **BobsYourMan30** » Sat Apr 05, 2014 7:23 pm

Regulus wrote:OP… Have you ever worked a job before? I’m not talking about a lawyer job, but just any job. Even at McDonald’s the dude at the register who has been there for 5 years is making more than the chick who just started last week.

Either way, I feel sorry for the firm that gave you the offer.

No this is my first real job.

20141023 · Post by **20141023** » Sat Apr 05, 2014 7:29 pm

BobsYourMan30 · Post by **BobsYourMan30** » Sat Apr 05, 2014 7:31 pm

Regulus wrote:
BobsYourMan30 wrote:
BobsYourMan30 wrote:If economy wasn't so crap, I'd prob get big law.
I was actually an SA at a big firm but was not offered a spot.
The hard part is landing an SA, not getting the offer afterwards; I wouldn't blame the economy on the no-offer. You've had opportunities that a lot of people on here would kill for.

Even your $85k job is still an awesome offer, especially since you won't have to pay as much in living expenses and what not as a NYC biglaw job. A lot of people don't realize how much $85k actually is (and I guess it might seem low in comparison to $160k, but it is still more than most people in this country will ever make in a year). Read this and just be thankful you have something.

How long do I have to wait until I can lateral? And can I lateral into biglaw?

sublime · Post by **sublime** » Sat Apr 05, 2014 7:33 pm

BobsYourMan30 · Post by **BobsYourMan30** » Sat Apr 05, 2014 7:36 pm

In asking for an estimate. Clearly I can't leave as soon as I start. Although I think I'm still going to keep looking until I start in September. At least they pay for bar exam stuff.

20141023 · Post by **20141023** » Sat Apr 05, 2014 7:43 pm

BobsYourMan30 · Post by **BobsYourMan30** » Sat Apr 05, 2014 7:51 pm

Regulus wrote:
BobsYourMan30 wrote:In asking for an estimate. Clearly I can't leave as soon as I start. Although I think I'm still going to keep looking until I start in September. At least they pay for bar exam stuff.
I'm interested why you're so anxious to return to an environment that has already rejected you once. You have an awesome deal in front of you. Focus on doing well in the job you have an offer for, and if you still don't like it in a few years, then start thinking about other options.

The $$$$

Veyron · Post by **Veyron** » Sat Apr 05, 2014 7:51 pm

Why is he entitled to humane conditions and treatment - I thought this was a job at a law firm?

Also, I am 100% sure that this thread is flame.

presh · Post by **presh** » Sat Apr 05, 2014 7:51 pm

I will be shocked if OP lasts long enough to lateral into anything, let alone biglaw.

BobsYourMan30 · Post by **BobsYourMan30** » Sat Apr 05, 2014 7:52 pm

Veyron wrote:Why is he entitled to humane conditions and treatment - I thought this was a job at a law firm?

Also, I am 100% sure that this thread is flame.

Why is it a flame?

sublime · Post by **sublime** » Sat Apr 05, 2014 7:54 pm

Veyron · Post by **Veyron** » Sat Apr 05, 2014 7:55 pm

BobsYourMan30 wrote:
Veyron wrote:Why is he entitled to humane conditions and treatment - I thought this was a job at a law firm?

Also, I am 100% sure that this thread is flame.
Why is it a flame?

Your flame is subtle but you cannot outwit a poster who has honed flaming to a gleaming edge.

BobsYourMan30 · Post by **BobsYourMan30** » Sat Apr 05, 2014 8:00 pm

sublime wrote:
BobsYourMan30 wrote:
Veyron wrote:Why is he entitled to humane conditions and treatment - I thought this was a job at a law firm?

Also, I am 100% sure that this thread is flame.
Why is it a flame?
Newish account, plus nobody can possibly be this oblivious to the way the world works.

At bigger firms, more experienced associates bill higher rates and get more money. At my firm now, all associates bill the same. So...

sublime · Post by **sublime** » Sat Apr 05, 2014 8:10 pm

BobsYourMan30 · Post by **BobsYourMan30** » Sat Apr 05, 2014 8:24 pm

I plan to bring it up once I have some lateral leverage. I'm powerless now and they know it. Hence the low pay.

sublime · Post by **sublime** » Sat Apr 05, 2014 8:24 pm

BobsYourMan30 · Post by **BobsYourMan30** » Sat Apr 05, 2014 8:31 pm

sublime wrote:
BobsYourMan30 wrote:I plan to bring it up once I have some lateral leverage. I'm powerless now and they know it. Hence the low pay.

85k really isn't low pay for ID in a secondary tho....

What firm does do work covered by insurance anyway? Their rates are pretty high. Who cares this sucks

sublime · Post by **sublime** » Sat Apr 05, 2014 8:33 pm

BobsYourMan30 · Post by **BobsYourMan30** » Sat Apr 05, 2014 8:34 pm

sublime wrote:
BobsYourMan30 wrote:
sublime wrote:
BobsYourMan30 wrote:I plan to bring it up once I have some lateral leverage. I'm powerless now and they know it. Hence the low pay.

85k really isn't low pay for ID in a secondary tho....
What firm does do work covered by insurance anyway? Their rates are pretty high. Who cares this sucks

If I stumbled into your position after being no-offered, I'd be happy as fuck. And I think that most others would be too. I'm not quite sure what your issue

BobsYourMan30 · Post by **BobsYourMan30** » Sat Apr 05, 2014 8:38 pm

Might just be a case of falling from grace. I went into a T10 expecting big law and making a substantial investment. Oh well.

20141023 · Post by **20141023** » Sat Apr 05, 2014 8:43 pm

BobsYourMan30 · Post by **BobsYourMan30** » Sat Apr 05, 2014 8:55 pm

Whatever. You guys are unsupportive.

guano · Post by **guano** » Sat Apr 05, 2014 9:05 pm

Regulus wrote:
BobsYourMan30 wrote:Might just be a case of falling from grace. I went into a T10 expecting big law and making a substantial investment. Oh well.
This thread should be stickied as an example of why K-JDs who have never worked before should not to pay sticker to go to a T14.

Expectations <---------GAP---------> Reality

The gap is large.

Reminds me of a conversation I had a few weeks ago, where this girl was explaining that when interviewing new college grads just about every one of them asked if or how fat they could become managers

oblitigate · Post by **oblitigate** » Sat Apr 05, 2014 9:06 pm

BobsYourMan30 wrote:Whatever. You guys are unsupportive.

Is the firm ThompsonCoe

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