NLJ 250 numbers out Forum

[Old Gregg]

Edit: Just taking this down because apparently it's not free and my account has some sort of glitch that lets me access it.

[skri65]

A full picture of the legal employment market is a compelling reason for everybody. Is there a greater bifurcation between T-14 and the rest? Was there small but broad-based rises in employment stats? 0Ls can get another chance to look at the small chances they have at lower ranked schools.

More information the better seems to be a general rule that definitely applies here.

This. It takes about 10 seconds to take a screenshot of the next tier of schools, far less time then responding to other peoples comments. Crappy information is very valuable. Oh well, your call...back to this memo.

[zman]

What a bunch of losers. last year all of that was free. The NLJ 250 list, how many people each big firm hired and from what school.. All for free.. I bet their traffic will TANK and no more advertisement money.

Oh, you mean the firm favorites?

That looks bad. I realize there are many others big firms but those are some major ones..

[patogordo]

if TLS sends me $300 in dogecoins i'll buy NLJ250 access and release the data from zweitbester's clutches

[09042014]

Screenshoting the data is copyright infringement. But you can copy the information

[patogordo]

Screenshoting the data is copyright infringement. But you can copy the information

MARKET SHATTERING statutory damages ITT

[zman]

What's the best school outside the T-14 for big law placement?

[Old Gregg]

If you're really desperate for the information, you can pay $300, access the information, and then return it when you're done. I'm pretty sure NLJ has a 30-day return policy (maybe even 45-day, I have to check again).

[Old Gregg]

And for anyone who had any illusion that hiring has returned to normal, I bring to you this relic: http://lawfirmaddict.blogspot.com/2006/ ... ement.html

And that doesn't even include all of the Vault 100. In 2006, at least 80% of Columbia's class worked at a Vault 100 firm. In 2014, 65% works at the nation's 250 largest law firms.

[jn7]

It's astounding how large some of these incoming classes are. I wonder what the ratio of outgoing/incoming is at some of these firms.

[Old Gregg]

It's astounding how large some of these incoming classes are. I wonder what the ratio of outgoing/incoming is at some of these firms.

IMO, pretty safe rule of thumb for the firms hiring mega summer classes is 25% every two years, some voluntarily and some involuntarily.

[Tiago Splitter]

And for anyone who had any illusion that hiring has returned to normal, I bring to you this relic: http://lawfirmaddict.blogspot.com/2006/ ... ement.html

And that doesn't even include all of the Vault 100. In 2006, at least 80% of Columbia's class worked at a Vault 100 firm. In 2014, 65% works at the nation's 250 largest law firms.

That's comparing graduates to summers. The OCI data from 2011 and 2012 shows about 70% of Columbia's class getting a V100 SA. So it's certainly down but not by quite that much.

[Old Gregg]

And for anyone who had any illusion that hiring has returned to normal, I bring to you this relic: http://lawfirmaddict.blogspot.com/2006/ ... ement.html

And that doesn't even include all of the Vault 100. In 2006, at least 80% of Columbia's class worked at a Vault 100 firm. In 2014, 65% works at the nation's 250 largest law firms.

That's comparing graduates to summers. The OCI data from 2011 and 2012 shows about 70% of Columbia's class getting a V100 SA. So it's certainly down but not by quite that much.

Ah, gotcha, forgot about that.

[Old Gregg]

http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=9 ... _250_Firms

75% of Columbia in 2007, so we're about 10% off these days (assuming they counted the same firms, etc.) for one of the premier law schools in the US.

[patogordo]

http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=9 ... _250_Firms

75% of Columbia in 2007, so we're about 10% off these days (assuming they counted the same firms, etc.) for one of the premier law schools in the US.

you can't compare pre-obama years with post-obama years. his powerful "change we can believe in" slogan has encouraged many more young law students to go into public interest.

[Tiago Splitter]

It's astounding how large some of these incoming classes are. I wonder what the ratio of outgoing/incoming is at some of these firms.

This thread has some good data. Shows that only around 25% are gone at the end of year 3 but two-thirds are out by the end of year five.

[Old Gregg]

http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=9 ... _250_Firms

75% of Columbia in 2007, so we're about 10% off these days (assuming they counted the same firms, etc.) for one of the premier law schools in the US.

you can't compare pre-obama years with post-obama years. his powerful "change we can believe in" slogan has encouraged many more young law students to go into public interest.

Obama's America.

[zman]

http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=9 ... _250_Firms

75% of Columbia in 2007, so we're about 10% off these days (assuming they counted the same firms, etc.) for one of the premier law schools in the US.

you can't compare pre-obama years with post-obama years. his powerful "change we can believe in" slogan has encouraged many more young law students to go into public interest.

Obama's America.

Hope and change!!!

Obama is bush on steroids.

[akg144]

There's a lot of truth in that - both Presidents obviously have/had abysmal approval ratings (41% for Obama and 42% of Bush at this time in their presidency's) both spent far more money than they took in, both failed in just about every regard to accomplish what they had originally set out to accomplish so your statement is quite accurate insofar as Obama has intensified Bush's more liberal policies and maintained his hawkish neo-conservative foreign policy abroad - astute observation.

On a side note, I honestly wonder when someone will actually come along and either "restore America" (and reverse the moral, spiritual and economic declination as conservatives aim to do) or actually improve America and "move us forward" (more compassionate domestic policies, better relations with our allies / better standing abroad, and foster greater embrace of diversity / forge greater social cohesion as liberals aim to do) Full disclosure: I'm a moderate/independent and just completely disgusted with both parties at this point & praying 2016 brings real hope and change.

[Old Gregg]

There's a lot of truth in that - both Presidents obviously have/had abysmal approval ratings (41% for Obama and 42% of Bush at this time in their presidency's) both spent far more money than they took in, both failed in just about every regard to accomplish what they had originally set out to accomplish so your statement is quite accurate insofar as Obama has intensified Bush's more liberal policies and maintained his hawkish neo-conservative foreign policy abroad - astute observation.

On a side note, I honestly wonder when someone will actually come along and either "restore America" (and reverse the moral, spiritual and economic declination as conservatives aim to do) or actually improve America and "move us forward" (more compassionate domestic policies, better relations with our allies and better standing abroad, and great social cohesion as liberals aim to do) Full disclosure: I'm a moderate/independent and just completely disgusted with both parties at this point & praying 2016 brings real hope and change.

Replace "point" with "joke" below.

[moonman157]

Well this thread took an interesting turn

[Old Gregg]

Well this thread took an interesting turn

If I post the numbers, 20 pages of bullshit analysis. If I don't, 20 pages of what's happening now. The latter sounds far more entertaining.

[Old Gregg]

I seriously think, though, that we can blame climate change for these numbers. Surely the polar vortex and such is having a huge impact on big law hiring. Obama needs to fix global warming so we can improve the legal job market.

[smaug_]

I seriously think, though, that we can blame climate change for these numbers. Surely the polar vortex and such is having a huge impact on big law hiring. Obama needs to fix global warming so we can improve the legal job market.

but if things continue natural gas employers are going to start hiring form non T14 schools in DROVES assuredly

[akg144]

I seriously think, though, that we can blame climate change for these numbers. Surely the polar vortex and such is having a huge impact on big law hiring. Obama needs to fix global warming so we can improve the legal job market.

LOL this literally made my laugh out loud