GULC 2012 EIW Forum

[henry flower]

Thanks. Not the answer I wanted to hear, but I figured that was the case. I suppose I can still try to sell my rank on my resume/ in interviews.

[estopped]

sooo.... why have people voted?

[Anonymous User]

Can we add some diversity measures to the list?

URM, LBGT, age/prior life experience, military...

I'd be particularly interested in seeing how LGBT folks do, as there is not much data on how firms "recruit" for that. For URMs, there are emails through APALSA, BLSA, LALSA, etc, but I don't recall getting anything through OutLaw, and the diversity receptions I've been to have been largely focused on racial diversity.

And yeah. OCS said that around 10-11 is average; diversifying markets increases that number while being very choosy about location decreases it. I'm expecting 4-6 myself since there's only one market I'm willing to be in for various personal reasons.

--Betty Boop

LGBT is definitely a thing firms recruit for. At least at NYU we were taken out by the LGBT affinity groups at a lot of the big firms here throughout second semester and some firms have made specific points of reaching out to us. Definitely include GULC's version of OutLaw on your resume. Even if you aren't a member.

[pasteurizedmilk]

GPA. The firms get the GPA cutoffs so they can gauge and it ends up being pretty fair between the sections. They have their own GPA requirements, not percentile ones.

Class rank will be more important.

[chipchip]

^ I disagree to a point. Obviously, if you end up in a section where the Top 10% cutoff is .1 higher than any other section's (which happened to me a few years ago), but your GPA is still solid and above the Top 10 of any other section, that's still going to count. The section cutoffs even out pretty much after the Top 10 even this year, so it's less of an issue. It's only where you end up in that netherzone between Top 10/15 between sections that it should matter.

[Anonymous User]

^ I disagree to a point. Obviously, if you end up in a section where the Top 10% cutoff is .1 higher than any other section's (which happened to me a few years ago), but your GPA is still solid and above the Top 10 of any other section, that's still going to count. The section cutoffs even out pretty much after the Top 10 even this year, so it's less of an issue. It's only where you end up in that netherzone between Top 10/15 between sections that it should matter.

Can you explain what you mean about the netherzone, because I'm in it, i.e., I am top 15% in my section, but would be top 10% in others. How do you think that will play?

[Anonymous User]

^ I disagree to a point. Obviously, if you end up in a section where the Top 10% cutoff is .1 higher than any other section's (which happened to me a few years ago), but your GPA is still solid and above the Top 10 of any other section, that's still going to count. The section cutoffs even out pretty much after the Top 10 even this year, so it's less of an issue. It's only where you end up in that netherzone between Top 10/15 between sections that it should matter.

Can you explain what you mean about the netherzone, because I'm in it, i.e., I am top 15% in my section, but would be top 10% in others. How do you think that will play?

I'm in the exact opposite "netherzone," i.e., top 10% in my section, but there are other sections where I would barely be top 15%.

[Anonymous User]

^ I disagree to a point. Obviously, if you end up in a section where the Top 10% cutoff is .1 higher than any other section's (which happened to me a few years ago), but your GPA is still solid and above the Top 10 of any other section, that's still going to count. The section cutoffs even out pretty much after the Top 10 even this year, so it's less of an issue. It's only where you end up in that netherzone between Top 10/15 between sections that it should matter.

Can you explain what you mean about the netherzone, because I'm in it, i.e., I am top 15% in my section, but would be top 10% in others. How do you think that will play?

I'm in the exact opposite "netherzone," i.e., top 10% in my section, but there are other sections where I would barely be top 15%.

Anon from above here. I just spent like five minutes trying to figure out if I'd rather be in your shoes or mine... and I'm still not sure.

[mr_toad]

^ I disagree to a point. Obviously, if you end up in a section where the Top 10% cutoff is .1 higher than any other section's (which happened to me a few years ago), but your GPA is still solid and above the Top 10 of any other section, that's still going to count. The section cutoffs even out pretty much after the Top 10 even this year, so it's less of an issue. It's only where you end up in that netherzone between Top 10/15 between sections that it should matter.

Can you explain what you mean about the netherzone, because I'm in it, i.e., I am top 15% in my section, but would be top 10% in others. How do you think that will play?

I'm in the exact opposite "netherzone," i.e., top 10% in my section, but there are other sections where I would barely be top 15%.

Anon from above here. I just spent like five minutes trying to figure out if I'd rather be in your shoes or mine... and I'm still not sure.

First world problems... You're both going to do very well.

[chipchip]

^ What (s)he said.

The firms won't bring it up with you at all. Your resume can probably just say Top X% in Section, which is what I did, and then you just move on. As long as you have the GPA cutoff they are looking for (e.g., Gibson Dunn DC supposedly is a 3.7), you should be fine. No one really cares about the exact rank. You shouldn't be punished for being in a section where a few people did markedly better and warped the curve for others.

[pasteurizedmilk]

There's maybe 2 or 3 firms that have "hard" GPA cutoffs. If GDC has a 3.7 that's new since I got an offer with a lower GPA.

Interviewers will look at your resume for indicators of intelligence. Being top 15%/top 10% suggests you are more intelligent then the peers you were measured against.

e.g., compare having a 3.5 but being outside the top 1/3 versus having a 3.45 but being inside the top 1/3. As an interviewer, I know the latter is smarter than at least 2/3 of his classmates. With the former, I don't know that. In fact, I know with certainty he is not smarter than 2/3 of his classmates.

[somewhatwayward]

e.g., compare having a 3.5 but being outside the top 1/3 versus having a 3.45 but being inside the top 1/3. As an interviewer, I know the latter is smarter than at least 2/3 of his classmates. With the former, I don't know that. In fact, I know with certainty he is not smarter than 2/3 of his classmates.

yeah......if grades correlated perfectly with smartness

[androstan]

There's maybe 2 or 3 firms that have "hard" GPA cutoffs. If GDC has a 3.7 that's new since I got an offer with a lower GPA.

Interviewers will look at your resume for indicators of intelligence. Being top 15%/top 10% suggests you are more intelligent then the peers you were measured against.

e.g., compare having a 3.5 but being outside the top 1/3 versus having a 3.45 but being inside the top 1/3. As an interviewer, I know the latter is smarter than at least 2/3 of his classmates. With the former, I don't know that. In fact, I know with certainty he is not smarter than 2/3 of his classmates.

Cuz grads r perfect measurers of smartness.

[pasteurizedmilk]

Excuse me. 1L performance, not overall intelligence.

I shouldn't conflate the two.

But, yes, you would know with 100% certainty that one candidate outperformed at least 2/3 of his direct competition, and the other candidate did not.

[hipstermafia]

soooo i think journals were posted at 5pm this friday last year

[henry flower]

soooo i think journals were posted at 5pm this friday last year

Yup, that's what I heard too. Anxiously waiting.

[Anonymous User]

Tax Lawyer! Very excited...

Edit add: /s/ Rescue Ranger

[Anonymous User]

Tax Lawyer! Very excited...

How do you know? When/where are the results?

[Anonymous User]

Write-on website. Need your exam number and write-on number.

[Anonymous User]

Tax Lawyer! Very excited...

me too!

[Anonymous User]

Write-on website. Need your exam number and write-on number.

Under the results tab? I am a transfer, and it says results aren't available at this time

[Anonymous User]

GLJ! Thrilled and super-relieved. My comment was looking a little shaky for a minute there...guess my obsessive bluebooking helped

--Betty Boop

[henry flower]

Write-on website. Need your exam number and write-on number.

Under the results tab? I am a transfer, and it says results aren't available at this time

The transfer write-on is run under a slightly different timelime. You do the competition a few weeks later, so you probably get the results later as well. The website says "Early August" for results, but seeing as this is the same time-indicator given for the non-transfer competition, I doubt it will be that long.

[henry flower]

GLJ! Thrilled and super-relieved. My comment was looking a little shaky for a minute there...guess my obsessive bluebooking helped

--Betty Boop

Congratulations!

[Anonymous User]

Congratulations!

Thanks!

Another resume collect question: there are options in Symplicity to submit cover letters and transcripts. Are we supposed to do that, or is it strictly resumes like EIW?

--Betty Boop