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- A'nold
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Re: 3L, Hate Law, Now What?
Why don't you try getting on with the FBI after graduation? If you have a very clean background it seems like a very cool job (FBI special agent).
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I like this idea a lot actually, but I think I missed the boat on this year's application (correct me if I'm mistaken). It definitely is something to try for in the future though.A'nold wrote:Why don't you try getting on with the FBI after graduation? If you have a very clean background it seems like a very cool job (FBI special agent).
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Albeit an extraordinarily difficult one to get. Go for it, OP.A'nold wrote:Why don't you try getting on with the FBI after graduation? If you have a very clean background it seems like a very cool job (FBI special agent).
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Making money and enjoying life do not have to be mutually exclusive. I enjoy working long hours, so my personality fits the big law regime. And I am sure there are a lot of lawyers in big firms that also enjoy working at a big firm.
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Before I get snarky... do you have experience with working long hours? Also, biglaw lawyers are miserable.Pato_09 wrote:Making money and enjoying life do not have to be mutually exclusive. I enjoy working long hours, so my personality fits the big law regime. And I am sure there are a lot of lawyers in big firms that also enjoy working at a big firm.
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- A'nold
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Re: 3L, Hate Law, Now What?
The FBI hires year round. Go to the FBI website and check it out. Good luck.Anonymous User wrote:I like this idea a lot actually, but I think I missed the boat on this year's application (correct me if I'm mistaken). It definitely is something to try for in the future though.A'nold wrote:Why don't you try getting on with the FBI after graduation? If you have a very clean background it seems like a very cool job (FBI special agent).

- Gettingstarted1928
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This is what I always thoughtInGoodFaith wrote:Before I get snarky... do you have experience with working long hours? Also, biglaw lawyers are miserable.Pato_09 wrote:Making money and enjoying life do not have to be mutually exclusive. I enjoy working long hours, so my personality fits the big law regime. And I am sure there are a lot of lawyers in big firms that also enjoy working at a big firm.
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I don't know where people pull up these miserable biglaw attorneys, everyone I know who does it likes it fine.Gettingstarted1928 wrote:This is what I always thoughtInGoodFaith wrote:Before I get snarky... do you have experience with working long hours? Also, biglaw lawyers are miserable.Pato_09 wrote:Making money and enjoying life do not have to be mutually exclusive. I enjoy working long hours, so my personality fits the big law regime. And I am sure there are a lot of lawyers in big firms that also enjoy working at a big firm.
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Wow, thanks for another speculative, anecdotal, overly general, stereotype-reinforcing comment. Your 0L status really lends your post credibility. BigLaw is for some people and not for others. Biglaw might entail long hours, but it's also great money, interesting client work, and an environment of (mostly) intelligent colleagues. I'll counter anecdotal evidence and silly blog recommendations with some of my own personal experience: I know more biglaw lawyers who are either satisfied or in love with their jobs than I do burnt-out ones.Before I get snarky... do you have experience with working long hours? Also, biglaw lawyers are miserable.
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So... you haven't ever worked long hours? Perhaps k-JD? I actually work in a FT position with long hours now, despite my 0L status. Thanks.anewaphorist wrote:Wow, thanks for another speculative, anecdotal, overly general, stereotype-reinforcing comment. Your 0L status really lends your post credibility. BigLaw is for some people and not for others. Biglaw might entail long hours, but it's also great money, interesting client work, and an environment of (mostly) intelligent colleagues. I'll counter anecdotal evidence and silly blog recommendations with some of my own personal experience: I know more biglaw lawyers who are either satisfied or in love with their jobs than I do burnt-out ones.Before I get snarky... do you have experience with working long hours? Also, biglaw lawyers are miserable.
- MrPapagiorgio
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Only a 1L, but it is common sense that if you want to be very successful and among the top in your field, you can't work 40 hours a week. You want to make it big? You need to realize that 70+ hour work weeks for at least 35 weeks a year is going to be required. Biglaw first-years aren't getting paid $160,000 for their amazing legal skills. They are getting compensated for the long hours, arduous assignments and deadline stress.anewaphorist wrote:Wow, thanks for another speculative, anecdotal, overly general, stereotype-reinforcing comment. Your 0L status really lends your post credibility. BigLaw is for some people and not for others. Biglaw might entail long hours, but it's also great money, interesting client work, and an environment of (mostly) intelligent colleagues. I'll counter anecdotal evidence and silly blog recommendations with some of my own personal experience: I know more biglaw lawyers who are either satisfied or in love with their jobs than I do burnt-out ones.Before I get snarky... do you have experience with working long hours? Also, biglaw lawyers are miserable.
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Correct, with the cravat that they are also being compensated for being the types of people won't fuck up often on day-to-day shit.MrPapagiorgio wrote:Only a 1L, but it is common sense that if you want to be very successful and among the top in your field, you can't work 40 hours a week. You want to make it big? You need to realize that 70+ hour work weeks for at least 35 weeks a year is going to be required. Biglaw first-years aren't getting paid $160,000 for their amazing legal skills. They are getting compensated for the long hours, arduous assignments and deadline stress.anewaphorist wrote:Wow, thanks for another speculative, anecdotal, overly general, stereotype-reinforcing comment. Your 0L status really lends your post credibility. BigLaw is for some people and not for others. Biglaw might entail long hours, but it's also great money, interesting client work, and an environment of (mostly) intelligent colleagues. I'll counter anecdotal evidence and silly blog recommendations with some of my own personal experience: I know more biglaw lawyers who are either satisfied or in love with their jobs than I do burnt-out ones.Before I get snarky... do you have experience with working long hours? Also, biglaw lawyers are miserable.
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Eh, if OP doesn't like the law he won't like the FBI. What they do in reality is the equivalent of about 60% doc review. Plus endless memos, bureaucracy, etc. it's very much like BigLaw.A'nold wrote:The FBI hires year round. Go to the FBI website and check it out. Good luck.Anonymous User wrote:I like this idea a lot actually, but I think I missed the boat on this year's application (correct me if I'm mistaken). It definitely is something to try for in the future though.A'nold wrote:Why don't you try getting on with the FBI after graduation? If you have a very clean background it seems like a very cool job (FBI special agent).
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- TommyK
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Re: 3L, Hate Law, Now What?
Yeah those jobs where you can spend all day posting on Internet message boards are absolutely murder. Not sure how you soldier through.InGoodFaith wrote: So... you haven't ever worked long hours? Perhaps k-JD? I actually work in a FT position with long hours now, despite my 0L status. Thanks.
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I'm very efficient!TommyK wrote:Yeah those jobs where you can spend all day posting on Internet message boards are absolutely murder. Not sure how you soldier through.InGoodFaith wrote: So... you haven't ever worked long hours? Perhaps k-JD? I actually work in a FT position with long hours now, despite my 0L status. Thanks.
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When we make snide comments to each other, it looks like our avatars are looking at the same thing.InGoodFaith wrote:I'm very efficient!TommyK wrote:Yeah those jobs where you can spend all day posting on Internet message boards are absolutely murder. Not sure how you soldier through.InGoodFaith wrote: So... you haven't ever worked long hours? Perhaps k-JD? I actually work in a FT position with long hours now, despite my 0L status. Thanks.
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InGoodFaith, you're clearly presumptuous. I've worked 70-hr weeks, but I'd never assume that I could comment with authority on the desirability of Biglaw attorneys' work experience, writ large. Working those hours in the restaurant industry at 2 different jobs when I was 21 is a far cry from an intellectually demanding, stressful desk job. At least I realize that.
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Re: 3L, Hate Law, Now What?
As I sit at my desk...anewaphorist wrote:InGoodFaith, you're clearly presumptuous. I've worked 70-hr weeks, but I'd never assume that I could comment with authority on the desirability of Biglaw attorneys' work experience, writ large. Working those hours in the restaurant industry at 2 different jobs when I was 21 is a far cry from an intellectually demanding, stressful desk job. At least I realize that.
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I'm not sure what they are looking at, but it appears slightly humorous.TommyK wrote:When we make snide comments to each other, it looks like our avatars are looking at the same thing.InGoodFaith wrote:I'm very efficient!TommyK wrote:Yeah those jobs where you can spend all day posting on Internet message boards are absolutely murder. Not sure how you soldier through.InGoodFaith wrote: So... you haven't ever worked long hours? Perhaps k-JD? I actually work in a FT position with long hours now, despite my 0L status. Thanks.
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Soooo....we have one idea for post-JD jobs so far, but many posts. Anyone else have any ideas?
I applied for a risk analyst gig today, so there's that kind of stuff. Undergrad econ degree, moderate quantitative background, so maybe that's somewhere to start?
I applied for a risk analyst gig today, so there's that kind of stuff. Undergrad econ degree, moderate quantitative background, so maybe that's somewhere to start?
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Consulting. Start with BCG and go from there. Tons of great companies out there in this field, and people seem to geniunely enjoy their work.Anonymous User wrote:Soooo....we have one idea for post-JD jobs so far, but many posts. Anyone else have any ideas?
I applied for a risk analyst gig today, so there's that kind of stuff. Undergrad econ degree, moderate quantitative background, so maybe that's somewhere to start?
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- MrPapagiorgio
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Re: 3L, Hate Law, Now What?
Your avatar is looking at the Boston attorney who challenged him in the class-action lawsuit against the oil company. The dialogue where the Boston guy says "I'm going to fire the other attorneys" and Harvey says "and you came to me for a pep-talk? You're gonna do great kiddo."InGoodFaith wrote:I'm not sure what they are looking at, but it appears slightly humorous.TommyK wrote:When we make snide comments to each other, it looks like our avatars are looking at the same thing.
- Pato_09
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Yes I have, and I do like it.InGoodFaith wrote:Before I get snarky... do you have experience with working long hours? Also, biglaw lawyers are miserable.Pato_09 wrote:Making money and enjoying life do not have to be mutually exclusive. I enjoy working long hours, so my personality fits the big law regime. And I am sure there are a lot of lawyers in big firms that also enjoy working at a big firm.
Also, Its kinda ironic you have a Harvey Spector picture. He specifically said he pulls 100 hours a week. If you want to matter, you have to work more than 40 hours a week.
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Oddly enough, I semi-recently met a dude who recruits for them and applied, but frankly I don't have the kind of creds necessary to get BCG. Mid-range or regional shops are probably more what I'd be looking at. I like the idea though, although I definitely have to learn more about the industry before I'm going to get hired.InGoodFaith wrote:Consulting. Start with BCG and go from there. Tons of great companies out there in this field, and people seem to geniunely enjoy their work.Anonymous User wrote:Soooo....we have one idea for post-JD jobs so far, but many posts. Anyone else have any ideas?
I applied for a risk analyst gig today, so there's that kind of stuff. Undergrad econ degree, moderate quantitative background, so maybe that's somewhere to start?
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YESSS! Glad you remembered this for me.MrPapagiorgio wrote:Your avatar is looking at the Boston attorney who challenged him in the class-action lawsuit against the oil company. The dialogue where the Boston guy says "I'm going to fire the other attorneys" and Harvey says "and you came to me for a pep-talk? You're gonna do great kiddo."InGoodFaith wrote:I'm not sure what they are looking at, but it appears slightly humorous.TommyK wrote:When we make snide comments to each other, it looks like our avatars are looking at the same thing.
Also, I know working long hours is necessary for success. No complaints here

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