How to find what each specific firm pays.. Forum

[ToTransferOrNot]

i predict within 3 years: NYC to $190K, for real. in 2001/2002, after 9/11 and the tech bubble bust, they said the job market would never recover to like 97/98/99 levels, but by 03, ny was indeed at $160K.

lulz

umad?

This guy is proof that law schools will really let anyone in.

[UnTouChablE]

[quote="dood"]i predict within 3 years: NYC to $190K, for real. in 2001/2002, after 9/11 and the tech bubble bust, they said the job market would never recover to like 97/98/99 levels, but by 03, ny was indeed at $160K.[/quot

If you are serious I completely agree. Everyone always thinks the end of the world is coming after every extended recession (early 1930s, 1970s, 1980s, etc). Life cyclical and so is the economy.

[Anonymous User]

The economic crisis we're experiencing is most unlike any other. While boom periods followed the bust in the past, that was because the underlying problems weren't as dramatic. Currently, the economic problems are systemic and structural. Until they're corrected, a sustained recovery won't occur.

And since we're so fond of posting examples, I'll give you one: The economic stagflation of the Japanese economy in the 90s. What we're going through is pretty similar, and I don't expect that to change soon.

[JazzOne]

What about firms not in NALP? A lot of them are sketchy, but some elite firms (especially smaller ones) apparently just don't list in NALP because they don't want to bother paying the fees. I suspect the answer is mostly "if not in NALP, probably way below market pay", but is there a way to use Martindale or something to find good-paying smaller firms? I'm an offer-less above median T14 student sobbing to myself as I page through midlaw/small-law. My hope is that there is some subset of firms that pays well but is still hiring. (Optimistically, one advantage of way-underperforming stats due to lousy market selection and the like is that I might theoretically be especially competitive for remaining positions which are mostly being targeted by those who are below-median or otherwise got shut out by stats.) I want to go into government or public interest, so I don't even necessarily care much about prestige (because ideally I'll never have to lateral), but I want the monies to make my negative monies go away.

It seems like most of the hiring is done. There are some small firms hiring. Martindale is helpful. Also check symplicity for local positions. However, the SEC already interviewed at my school, as did Army JAG. So even government positions seem to be drying up quickly. A few firms hire 3Ls through OCI, but your chances seem to be getting slimmer and slimmer. Hang in there. Look back to your home market.

[dood]

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[Kohinoor]

i predict within 3 years: NYC to $190K, for real. in 2001/2002, after 9/11 and the tech bubble bust, they said the job market would never recover to like 97/98/99 levels, but by 03, ny was indeed at $160K.

lulz

umad?

[UnTouChablE]

The economic crisis we're experiencing is most unlike any other. While boom periods followed the bust in the past, that was because the underlying problems weren't as dramatic. Currently, the economic problems are systemic and structural. Until they're corrected, a sustained recovery won't occur.

And since we're so fond of posting examples, I'll give you one: The economic stagflation of the Japanese economy in the 90s. What we're going through is pretty similar, and I don't expect that to change soon.

This is the point where I have to disagree. We have had boom and bust before, e.g. the tech bubble in the late 1990s. The economy has always recovered. Whatever the underlying problems are, they are not as drastic as most would like to think, while we are looking at the tree we lose track of the forest. I say that because every economic indicator is pointing towards a strong recovery (stock market, currency trade etc). I just hope ppl don't get too pessimistic cause that could depress the recovery more than anything pres. Obama can do.

The Japanese economy is a credited example but I think that is more an example of the failure of supply side economics and the proof of the validity of Keynesianism. There are not many similarities between the Japanese economic crisis and our current economic debacle, in my opinion.

[Anonymous User]

What about firms not in NALP? A lot of them are sketchy, but some elite firms (especially smaller ones) apparently just don't list in NALP because they don't want to bother paying the fees. I suspect the answer is mostly "if not in NALP, probably way below market pay", but is there a way to use Martindale or something to find good-paying smaller firms? I'm an offer-less above median T14 student sobbing to myself as I page through midlaw/small-law. My hope is that there is some subset of firms that pays well but is still hiring. (Optimistically, one advantage of way-underperforming stats due to lousy market selection and the like is that I might theoretically be especially competitive for remaining positions which are mostly being targeted by those who are below-median or otherwise got shut out by stats.) I want to go into government or public interest, so I don't even necessarily care much about prestige (because ideally I'll never have to lateral), but I want the monies to make my negative monies go away.

It seems like most of the hiring is done. There are some small firms hiring. Martindale is helpful. Also check symplicity for local positions. However, the SEC already interviewed at my school, as did Army JAG. So even government positions seem to be drying up quickly. A few firms hire 3Ls through OCI, but your chances seem to be getting slimmer and slimmer. Hang in there. Look back to your home market.

Yeah, slimmer and slimmer indeed. I've been doing my best and I'll keep it up until I land something. Depressing as all hell. My home market is ... not an easy market to break into, but I did send some apps over there, and I'm sending out a huge wave tomorrow to see if I can catch anything.

I thought I had heard, though, that after the biglaw thing winds down, a lot of smaller firms start hiring. I'm not sure if that's limited to terrible firms or not.

[dood]

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[ToTransferOrNot]

The economic crisis we're experiencing is most unlike any other. While boom periods followed the bust in the past, that was because the underlying problems weren't as dramatic. Currently, the economic problems are systemic and structural. Until they're corrected, a sustained recovery won't occur.

And since we're so fond of posting examples, I'll give you one: The economic stagflation of the Japanese economy in the 90s. What we're going through is pretty similar, and I don't expect that to change soon.

@ UnTouChablE: yea im serious. though i know my opinion is in the minority and most people will just think the economy will recover (vs. another big boom)

@ anon: u'r right about the japanese economy in the 90s, and i actually agree with u as far as current US monetary policy mirroring the japanese in 1989 is SHIT, thereby potentially causing similar results. and honestly, i tried reading about keynesian economic models and other theories on what caused japans collapse, and i dont know BRO. but at the end of the day im just an optimist and go with the gut feeling. its not very scientific but has worked thus far (i get laid a lot BRO).

Jesus. You're so stupid.

[JazzOne]

What about firms not in NALP? A lot of them are sketchy, but some elite firms (especially smaller ones) apparently just don't list in NALP because they don't want to bother paying the fees. I suspect the answer is mostly "if not in NALP, probably way below market pay", but is there a way to use Martindale or something to find good-paying smaller firms? I'm an offer-less above median T14 student sobbing to myself as I page through midlaw/small-law. My hope is that there is some subset of firms that pays well but is still hiring. (Optimistically, one advantage of way-underperforming stats due to lousy market selection and the like is that I might theoretically be especially competitive for remaining positions which are mostly being targeted by those who are below-median or otherwise got shut out by stats.) I want to go into government or public interest, so I don't even necessarily care much about prestige (because ideally I'll never have to lateral), but I want the monies to make my negative monies go away.

It seems like most of the hiring is done. There are some small firms hiring. Martindale is helpful. Also check symplicity for local positions. However, the SEC already interviewed at my school, as did Army JAG. So even government positions seem to be drying up quickly. A few firms hire 3Ls through OCI, but your chances seem to be getting slimmer and slimmer. Hang in there. Look back to your home market.

Yeah, slimmer and slimmer indeed. I've been doing my best and I'll keep it up until I land something. Depressing as all hell. My home market is ... not an easy market to break into, but I did send some apps over there, and I'm sending out a huge wave tomorrow to see if I can catch anything.

I thought I had heard, though, that after the biglaw thing winds down, a lot of smaller firms start hiring. I'm not sure if that's limited to terrible firms or not.

I really don't know, but I'll give you some anecdotal evidence because it might lift your spirits a bit. There are still some successful and attractive firms hiring out there. I interviewed last week with a small firm in a large market. At first, I was not very excited about the firm. It looked like any other small law firm. But the firm's client list included some major professional sports teams and some other big-name corporations. I know that there are some sports tickets that float around that office. I felt like my interview went very well, and I fully anticipate receiving a call-back, which I will probably decline. I wish I could name the firm, but I want to keep it low profile until I formally decline the offer. So, there are a few diamonds in the rough out there. Some good advice that I received: Don't reek of desperation.

[dood]

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[ToTransferOrNot]

ya, imad. Mainly because the extent of your stupidity makes me want to /headdesk.

[JazzOne]

ya, imad. Mainly because the extent of your stupidity makes me want to /headdesk.

lol

Don't be mad.

[ToTransferOrNot]

ya, imad. Mainly because the extent of your stupidity makes me want to /headdesk.

lol

Don't be mad.

Should I be glad instead?

[JazzOne]

ya, imad. Mainly because the extent of your stupidity makes me want to /headdesk.

lol

Don't be mad.

Should I be glad instead?

uglad?

[IAFG]

ya, imad. Mainly because the extent of your stupidity makes me want to /headdesk.

lol

Don't be mad.

Should I be glad instead?

are you in HP? then prolly not

[ToTransferOrNot]

ya, imad. Mainly because the extent of your stupidity makes me want to /headdesk.

lol

Don't be mad.

Should I be glad instead?

are you in HP? then prolly not

DIAF.

Edit: 9.5 months before I get to get the hell out of Hyde Park and move to part of real Chicago. Only... 9.5... months...

[dood]

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[IAFG]

are you in HP? then prolly not

DIAF.

Edit: 9.5 months before I get to get the hell out of Hyde Park and move to part of real Chicago. Only... 9.5... months...

<3

[ToTransferOrNot]

are you in HP? then prolly not

DIAF.

Edit: 9.5 months before I get to get the hell out of Hyde Park and move to part of real Chicago. Only... 9.5... months...

<3

Oh, I don't think so. Not getting out of the HP jab that easily. Every day I'm down here, part of my soul slips away.

[IAFG]

are you in HP? then prolly not

DIAF.

Edit: 9.5 months before I get to get the hell out of Hyde Park and move to part of real Chicago. Only... 9.5... months...

<3

Oh, I don't think so. Not getting out of the HP jab that easily. Every day I'm down here, part of my soul slips away.

uh oh. this is exactly how comic strip and cartoon villains are made. are you drowning puppies yet? dissecting living squirrels?

[ToTransferOrNot]

Dissecting squirrels using the sharpened bones of puppies I drowned, to be precise.

In front of an audience of children.

[MrKappus]

^ Are you videotaping it? B/c U.S. v. Stevens says that's OK.

[RVP11]

ITT: people at the top of the class at UT pine for Bracewell & Giuliani.

Yowza. Things must be rough down there.

umad?

Nowhere near top of my class and I pined for much, much better firms. The magic of T14.