School OCI Data Forum

[09042014]

*Shudder*

UCI is only like in the 30's. I guess that's not bad considering no more than 50 people will be participating. Now I don't know what to think.

I'm thinking I'm glad I decided against being class of 2012, though I might not feel so smitten with 2013 next July.

[General Tso]

UCI is only like in the 30's. 40's if you count resume collection. I guess that's not bad considering no more than 50 people will be participating, but still pretty low. Now I don't know what to think.

Edit: Added resume collecting information, eliminated quote, spelling.

just out yourself already Pany

theres like 20 UCI students and you are the only TLS regular

[Anonymous User]

UCI is only like in the 30's. 40's if you count resume collection. I guess that's not bad considering no more than 50 people will be participating, but still pretty low. Now I don't know what to think.

Edit: Added resume collecting information, eliminated quote, spelling.

just out yourself already Pany

theres like 20 UCI students and you are the only TLS regular

There is more than one UCI TLSer. I'm just not as frequent of a poster as the aforementioned individual.

Edit: lol at "like 20 UCI students." It definitely feels that way.

[Anonymous User]

I know of a well-regarded TT in its regional market (I know how that sounds ) that, historically, has had 30ish unique opportunities. This year, ~15 .

[General Tso]

I know of a well-regarded TT in its regional market (I know how that sounds ) that, historically, has had 30ish unique opportunities. This year, ~15 .

name names

USD?

[lovelaw27]

UVA has > 160 firms, down from maybe 210 in boom times (though after our second round of OGI, we might be closer to the 210 number).

Think we have more students than most other schools though.

ND has 186, so half the size. Should have 80-105 firms?

Do you know if this is better than last year? NALP shows 124 organizations from last year. You said 186 organizations attending OCI at Notre Dame, but I am assuming some of the are non NALP organizations.

[Anonymous User]

UVA has > 160 firms, down from maybe 210 in boom times (though after our second round of OGI, we might be closer to the 210 number).

Think we have more students than most other schools though.

ND has 186, so half the size. Should have 80-105 firms?

Do you know if this is better than last year? NALP shows 124 organizations from last year. You said 186 organizations attending OCI at Notre Dame, but I am assuming some of the are non NALP organizations.

No, there are 186 students in the class at ND. This year, only 79 employment opportunities from 40 distinct employers are coming to campus.

[lovelaw27]

Wow, worse than last year...

[edgarderby]

No, there are 186 students in the class at ND. This year, only 79 employment opportunities from 40 distinct employers are coming to campus.

79 employment opportunities, for which we should be glad if 10 people get jobs. Plenty of law reviewers got left out last year, and I'd say a vast majority of those actually showing up to OCI had no intention of hiring anyone. But if you are on TLS and from ND, I've probably complained about this to you in real life, whoever you are.

Hope this helps!

[dresden doll]

No, there are 186 students in the class at ND. This year, only 79 employment opportunities from 40 distinct employers are coming to campus.

79 employment opportunities, for which we should be glad if 10 people get jobs. Plenty of law reviewers got left out last year, and I'd say a vast majority of those actually showing up to OCI had no intention of hiring anyone. But if you are on TLS and from ND, I've probably complained about this to you in real life, whoever you are.

Hope this helps!

Ouch.

Best of wishes to all of the ND rising 2Ls.

[edgarderby]

And one of the three people that work in career services just quit last week to join an accounting firm. ABANDON SHIP!

[09042014]

No, there are 186 students in the class at ND. This year, only 79 employment opportunities from 40 distinct employers are coming to campus.

79 employment opportunities, for which we should be glad if 10 people get jobs. Plenty of law reviewers got left out last year, and I'd say a vast majority of those actually showing up to OCI had no intention of hiring anyone. But if you are on TLS and from ND, I've probably complained about this to you in real life, whoever you are.

Hope this helps!

Are the top of the class all trying to transfer out?

[holydonkey]

If OCI doesn't go well, please hold their feet to the fire on employment stats.

At-graduation Employment Rate 88.1%
Nine-months Post Graduation Employment Rate 99.0%
Median Starting Salary+ $135,000

http://law.nd.edu/careers/employment-data/

That being said, good luck and keep us posted!

[edgarderby]

No, there are 186 students in the class at ND. This year, only 79 employment opportunities from 40 distinct employers are coming to campus.

79 employment opportunities, for which we should be glad if 10 people get jobs. Plenty of law reviewers got left out last year, and I'd say a vast majority of those actually showing up to OCI had no intention of hiring anyone. But if you are on TLS and from ND, I've probably complained about this to you in real life, whoever you are.

Hope this helps!

Are the top of the class all trying to transfer out?

Because transfers are doing so much better? It would be kind of silly to transfer out for 3L, if that was even an option anywhere. I don't think we've lost anyone at all, besides one kid that dropped out after 1st semester of 1L.

[edgarderby]

If OCI doesn't go well, please hold their feet to the fire on employment stats.

At-graduation Employment Rate 88.1%
Nine-months Post Graduation Employment Rate 99.0%
Median Starting Salary+ $135,000

http://law.nd.edu/careers/employment-data/

ha ha ha ha

I would KILL to have something lined up making $35,000, let alone $135,000.

[dresden doll]

Because transfers are doing so much better? It would be kind of silly to transfer out for 3L, if that was even an option anywhere. I don't think we've lost anyone at all, besides one kid that dropped out after 1st semester of 1L.

Well. I would imagine that tippity top of ND is competitive for HYS, and I have a hard time imagining that an HYS transfer wouldn't do allright for himself, even accounting for the fact that transfers are typically looked upon as median students at their new schools.

My very close friend here at CCN transferred out of a T1 and landed an SA with a fairly prestigious firm for his 2L summer. Not the guy that looks through the rose-colored glasses, but he does say that transferring was probably worth every penny. Of course, if he is somehow no-offered, he may yet sing a different tune.

Bottom line: if I were an ND kid pulling top class rank, I'd transfer the hell out.

[Anonymous User]

36 employers at Tulane through round one. And there are off-campus interview programs, but even more pessimistic about those. Also, a bunch of resume collects, but don't expect those are worth much.

How's many ND 2L's found employment this summer?

[romothesavior]

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[arhmcpo]

This thread is pretty interesting - I would encourage people anonymously or not to post their respective schools # of employers and a comparison of last year if possible. Mine is not yet available.

[ArtVandelay]

As an incoming ND 1L, this thread makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

Edit: When do I start my transfer application?

[Anonymous User]

NYU has 137 unique employers and 450 offices/employers overall.

Is this good/bad compared to years past?

1) UVA is >160 employers and >550 "offices" (due in no small part to the IRS listing like 7,000,000 field offices, thanks for that).

2) Many schools have multiple rounds of interviews, but the big boys tend to be at the first, which often even gets its very own acronym (see, e.g., EIP at NYU and others).

3) Some schools have historically placed more broadly than others. UVA casts a very wide geographic net, and sends comparatively fewer students to the mega NYC firms. Those mega NYC firms, however, each hired several, maybe even dozens of NYU students. Schools like NYU and Columbia rely on placing large numbers of students into each corporate mega-death V10 / V20 firm in NYC much more so than schools like UVA or Berkeley. Just something to keep in mind in this comparison, NYU has probably always had fewer employers but placed as well if not better than UVA.

4) Based on the data available to me (#of interviews now vs. historically at several schools), another hypothesis: Much like RVP11 speculates the downturn hurt worse outside of the top schools, the data suggest the biggest/best firms are doing better and interviewing more than the mid-range Vault firms and tails of the NLJ 250. I think that this year we'll see larger class sizes at your 'average' V25 firm, but perhaps stagnant or smaller class sizes down the line. (Picking V25 fully aware of the arbitrary nature of the vault rankings and of picking the number 25. My point is that the available work seems to be rising to the best firms). This will help people who aren't targeting the fancy firms, because the fancy firms will absorb people who last year had to start looking 'down' the list, but I think the biggest hiring increase will be at 'top' firms.

5) NY to 190!11!

how bad is UVA's OCI this year?

[OliverWendellHomie]

If OCI doesn't go well, please hold their feet to the fire on employment stats.

At-graduation Employment Rate 88.1%
Nine-months Post Graduation Employment Rate 99.0%
Median Starting Salary+ $135,000

http://law.nd.edu/careers/employment-data/

That being said, good luck and keep us posted!

Those employment stats are GARBAGE. Did you read the fine print???

"The reporting of salary information is optional. 56.2% of the Class of 2009 provided salary information."

Not even 60% of of the class even reported their salary info. I wonder what the median starting salary is for the other 43.8%....

[arhmcpo]

If OCI doesn't go well, please hold their feet to the fire on employment stats.

At-graduation Employment Rate 88.1%
Nine-months Post Graduation Employment Rate 99.0%
Median Starting Salary+ $135,000

http://law.nd.edu/careers/employment-data/

That being said, good luck and keep us posted!

Those employment stats are GARBAGE. Did you read the fine print???

"The reporting of salary information is optional. 56.2% of the Class of 2009 provided salary information."

Not even 60% of of the class even reported their salary info. I wonder what the median starting salary is for the other 43.8%....

What's median for unemployed? Ooooooh

[General Tso]

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wait 3 years

[Bosque]

Well, as long as everyone is posting OCI numbers, lets see.

Near as I can tell, Duke currently (not sure if this is the final list) has:

167 Job interviewers
124 Individual employers (although I might have over counted a few, I think some are at both round 1 and 2 of OCI. Lets say around 110 to be safe)

Not sure how many interviews that translates to.

Oh, and in case anyone did not know, our class size is 225 (which is big for Duke).