HLS EIP 2021 Forum

[Anonymous User]

Letting the CB go to voicemail, then just scheduling when recruiting sends you a link is fine, right? I try to do a "less is more" approach to communications, but don't want to be rude.

yes, thats fine. these partners generally dont actually want to call you either

[Anonymous User]

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[Anonymous User]

someone i know but am not close with got an offer after a quick turnaround callback (even though recruiting policies strictly forbid callbacks during the week of eip...), and posted on instagram with all the swag the firm sent. definitely not a diversity recruit, so the offer 100% must've come from eip.

is it just me, or is that super obnoxious? i appreciate that they're excited, but also, some people (myself included) are still exceptionally nervous, and i just thought it was unnecessary. i also have multiple friends with only 1 callback who are really flipping out about the pressure being placed on that 1 callback, and they were telling me they felt even worse when they saw the post. like, i thought the #1 thing not to do is to rub your offers in other people's faces, and this felt like they were doing that. i'm honestly happy that other ppl are getting things because i know we'll all be good and dandy, i just thought it was offensive.

I heard about that. I wouldn't worry about it. Everyone says the person is a total gunner. Just keep doing what you're doing and you and your friends will be fine.

[Anonymous User]

someone i know but am not close with got an offer after a quick turnaround callback (even though recruiting policies strictly forbid callbacks during the week of eip...), and posted on instagram with all the swag the firm sent. definitely not a diversity recruit, so the offer 100% must've come from eip.

is it just me, or is that super obnoxious? i appreciate that they're excited, but also, some people (myself included) are still exceptionally nervous, and i just thought it was unnecessary. i also have multiple friends with only 1 callback who are really flipping out about the pressure being placed on that 1 callback, and they were telling me they felt even worse when they saw the post. like, i thought the #1 thing not to do is to rub your offers in other people's faces, and this felt like they were doing that. i'm honestly happy that other ppl are getting things because i know we'll all be good and dandy, i just thought it was offensive.

Keep in mind there was a lot of pre-oci action this year. I know a few people who got offers this week from callbacks that happened weeks ago. I’d bet that’s what happened, rather than that eip screener to callback to offer to swag in like 4 days.

And celebrating getting a job really isn’t offensive any way you slice it.

[Anonymous User]

someone i know but am not close with got an offer after a quick turnaround callback (even though recruiting policies strictly forbid callbacks during the week of eip...), and posted on instagram with all the swag the firm sent. definitely not a diversity recruit, so the offer 100% must've come from eip.

is it just me, or is that super obnoxious? i appreciate that they're excited, but also, some people (myself included) are still exceptionally nervous, and i just thought it was unnecessary. i also have multiple friends with only 1 callback who are really flipping out about the pressure being placed on that 1 callback, and they were telling me they felt even worse when they saw the post. like, i thought the #1 thing not to do is to rub your offers in other people's faces, and this felt like they were doing that. i'm honestly happy that other ppl are getting things because i know we'll all be good and dandy, i just thought it was offensive.

Keep in mind there was a lot of pre-oci action this year. I know a few people who got offers this week from callbacks that happened weeks ago. I’d bet that’s what happened, rather than that eip screener to callback to offer to swag in like 4 days.

And celebrating getting a job really isn’t offensive any way you slice it.

I agree that it’s not offensive but I definitely understand why you’d think it was obnoxious to post swag on Instagram when other people are probably waiting to hear back. To be fair to OP, I think I heard about the post you’re talking about, and I’m pretty sure that person is a known gunner so it shouldn’t be a surprise they posted. I wouldn’t let it make you or your friends nervous though. Just keep going. It will all work out.

[Anonymous User]

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[Anonymous User]

Anyone think that scheduling a callback for the week after this week (ex the 27th) is "too late" for NY offices?

I think you should be fine--a few firms weren't doing CBs until that week. I would just be mindful that classes start.

[Anonymous User]

Anyone hear from WilmerHale NY? Interviewer HL

[Anonymous User]

Any Shearman people with AP get an email from recruiting yet?

did you already get a CB?

Not yet! You?

[Anonymous User]

Anyone hear from WilmerHale NY? Interviewer HL

Also waiting on this.

[Anonymous User]

Anyone hear from WilmerHale NY? Interviewer HL

Just got a call from WilmerHale NY this morning but interviewer DW

[Anonymous User]

I had 24 interviews and 0 callbacks. This sucks. But thanks for the insight. Do you have any suggestions on the next steps I should take? I don't really trust OCS to give me the right information.

Did your firm consider fewer candidates due to COVID or just a general economical outlook?

I'm the partner OCI interviewer from last night. I'm most familiar with the OCI route, so I don't have any specialized insight into next steps post-OCI. Just from instinct, I'd:

- Consider options outside the largest firms, both private sector and otherwise. (If you really want biglaw and are focused on litigation, remember that you can clerk and have a second clean bite at the biglaw apple during your post-clerkship job search.)

- Keep an eye out for firms that may end up with an open summer spot later in the year. Sometimes firms are too conservative with how many offers they make to callback candidates, then actually end up with an extra spot or two when their offerees accept other firms' offers.

- I actually would talk to OCS for other ideas (and for their tips on how to find out about those late-surfacing SA spots I mentioned). I had decent experiences with them as a law student and alum. MW and KS (for clerkships) have long been good resources; not sure about the other current staff since it's been quite a while since I graduated.

Also, not sure when you guys finished OCI this year, but sometimes you'll have callbacks surface a few days later than expected. This can mean that you were initially a "hold" candidate, but that you're being called back after fewer than expected callback invitees accepted callbacks. So you may not have struck out yet.

Regarding my firm's summer class: we actually had a banner 2020 and are in active growth mode, so our summer class is likely to be larger than ever before, and we are actively hiring lateral associates into many groups. I'm not sure that's representative; some firms had banner 2020s while others struggled, and may well be reducing their summer classes.

I have two questions, if you have a moment:
1. When the interviewer is talking to ME, should I look in the camera and nod? It feels super awkward, but I guess it best replicates looking someone in the eyes?
2. Should I refer to my interviewers (older ones, in particular) as Mr. and Ms.?
Thanks!!

[Anonymous User]

Any Shearman people with AP get an email from recruiting yet?

did you already get a CB?

Not yet! You?

Neither! different interviewer (JD)

[Anonymous User]

someone i know but am not close with got an offer after a quick turnaround callback (even though recruiting policies strictly forbid callbacks during the week of eip...), and posted on instagram with all the swag the firm sent. definitely not a diversity recruit, so the offer 100% must've come from eip.

is it just me, or is that super obnoxious? i appreciate that they're excited, but also, some people (myself included) are still exceptionally nervous, and i just thought it was unnecessary. i also have multiple friends with only 1 callback who are really flipping out about the pressure being placed on that 1 callback, and they were telling me they felt even worse when they saw the post. like, i thought the #1 thing not to do is to rub your offers in other people's faces, and this felt like they were doing that. i'm honestly happy that other ppl are getting things because i know we'll all be good and dandy, i just thought it was offensive.

Keep in mind there was a lot of pre-oci action this year. I know a few people who got offers this week from callbacks that happened weeks ago. I’d bet that’s what happened, rather than that eip screener to callback to offer to swag in like 4 days.

And celebrating getting a job really isn’t offensive any way you slice it.

I agree that it’s not offensive but I definitely understand why you’d think it was obnoxious to post swag on Instagram when other people are probably waiting to hear back. To be fair to OP, I think I heard about the post you’re talking about, and I’m pretty sure that person is a known gunner so it shouldn’t be a surprise they posted. I wouldn’t let it make you or your friends nervous though. Just keep going. It will all work out.

Also saw this post. The guy is a jerk. Even his friends get mad at him all the time. People shouldn’t post to Instagram but it doesn’t actually mean anything.

[Anonymous User]

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[Anonymous User]

I wish I knew who this person is. Gossip feeds my withered soul.

[Anonymous User]

someone i know but am not close with got an offer after a quick turnaround callback (even though recruiting policies strictly forbid callbacks during the week of eip...), and posted on instagram with all the swag the firm sent. definitely not a diversity recruit, so the offer 100% must've come from eip.

is it just me, or is that super obnoxious? i appreciate that they're excited, but also, some people (myself included) are still exceptionally nervous, and i just thought it was unnecessary. i also have multiple friends with only 1 callback who are really flipping out about the pressure being placed on that 1 callback, and they were telling me they felt even worse when they saw the post. like, i thought the #1 thing not to do is to rub your offers in other people's faces, and this felt like they were doing that. i'm honestly happy that other ppl are getting things because i know we'll all be good and dandy, i just thought it was offensive.

Keep in mind there was a lot of pre-oci action this year. I know a few people who got offers this week from callbacks that happened weeks ago. I’d bet that’s what happened, rather than that eip screener to callback to offer to swag in like 4 days.

And celebrating getting a job really isn’t offensive any way you slice it.

I agree that it’s not offensive but I definitely understand why you’d think it was obnoxious to post swag on Instagram when other people are probably waiting to hear back. To be fair to OP, I think I heard about the post you’re talking about, and I’m pretty sure that person is a known gunner so it shouldn’t be a surprise they posted. I wouldn’t let it make you or your friends nervous though. Just keep going. It will all work out.

Also saw this post. The guy is a jerk. Even his friends get mad at him all the time. People shouldn’t post to Instagram but it doesn’t actually mean anything.

can u share the section the person is in lol

[Anonymous User]

someone i know but am not close with got an offer after a quick turnaround callback (even though recruiting policies strictly forbid callbacks during the week of eip...), and posted on instagram with all the swag the firm sent. definitely not a diversity recruit, so the offer 100% must've come from eip.

is it just me, or is that super obnoxious? i appreciate that they're excited, but also, some people (myself included) are still exceptionally nervous, and i just thought it was unnecessary. i also have multiple friends with only 1 callback who are really flipping out about the pressure being placed on that 1 callback, and they were telling me they felt even worse when they saw the post. like, i thought the #1 thing not to do is to rub your offers in other people's faces, and this felt like they were doing that. i'm honestly happy that other ppl are getting things because i know we'll all be good and dandy, i just thought it was offensive.

Keep in mind there was a lot of pre-oci action this year. I know a few people who got offers this week from callbacks that happened weeks ago. I’d bet that’s what happened, rather than that eip screener to callback to offer to swag in like 4 days.

And celebrating getting a job really isn’t offensive any way you slice it.

I agree that it’s not offensive but I definitely understand why you’d think it was obnoxious to post swag on Instagram when other people are probably waiting to hear back. To be fair to OP, I think I heard about the post you’re talking about, and I’m pretty sure that person is a known gunner so it shouldn’t be a surprise they posted. I wouldn’t let it make you or your friends nervous though. Just keep going. It will all work out.

Also saw this post. The guy is a jerk. Even his friends get mad at him all the time. People shouldn’t post to Instagram but it doesn’t actually mean anything.

can u share the section the person is in lol

Section 7

[Anonymous User]

someone i know but am not close with got an offer after a quick turnaround callback (even though recruiting policies strictly forbid callbacks during the week of eip...), and posted on instagram with all the swag the firm sent. definitely not a diversity recruit, so the offer 100% must've come from eip.

is it just me, or is that super obnoxious? i appreciate that they're excited, but also, some people (myself included) are still exceptionally nervous, and i just thought it was unnecessary. i also have multiple friends with only 1 callback who are really flipping out about the pressure being placed on that 1 callback, and they were telling me they felt even worse when they saw the post. like, i thought the #1 thing not to do is to rub your offers in other people's faces, and this felt like they were doing that. i'm honestly happy that other ppl are getting things because i know we'll all be good and dandy, i just thought it was offensive.

Keep in mind there was a lot of pre-oci action this year. I know a few people who got offers this week from callbacks that happened weeks ago. I’d bet that’s what happened, rather than that eip screener to callback to offer to swag in like 4 days.

And celebrating getting a job really isn’t offensive any way you slice it.

I agree that it’s not offensive but I definitely understand why you’d think it was obnoxious to post swag on Instagram when other people are probably waiting to hear back. To be fair to OP, I think I heard about the post you’re talking about, and I’m pretty sure that person is a known gunner so it shouldn’t be a surprise they posted. I wouldn’t let it make you or your friends nervous though. Just keep going. It will all work out.

Also saw this post. The guy is a jerk. Even his friends get mad at him all the time. People shouldn’t post to Instagram but it doesn’t actually mean anything.

can u share the section the person is in lol

Section 7

wait wait WAIT that's my section
any hints on how to find the insta? i still don't know who this is and i'm so curious lol

[Anonymous User]

Ugh are Cleary callbacks all out? Anyone got the callback with JF?

[Anonymous User]

someone i know but am not close with got an offer after a quick turnaround callback (even though recruiting policies strictly forbid callbacks during the week of eip...), and posted on instagram with all the swag the firm sent. definitely not a diversity recruit, so the offer 100% must've come from eip.

is it just me, or is that super obnoxious? i appreciate that they're excited, but also, some people (myself included) are still exceptionally nervous, and i just thought it was unnecessary. i also have multiple friends with only 1 callback who are really flipping out about the pressure being placed on that 1 callback, and they were telling me they felt even worse when they saw the post. like, i thought the #1 thing not to do is to rub your offers in other people's faces, and this felt like they were doing that. i'm honestly happy that other ppl are getting things because i know we'll all be good and dandy, i just thought it was offensive.

Keep in mind there was a lot of pre-oci action this year. I know a few people who got offers this week from callbacks that happened weeks ago. I’d bet that’s what happened, rather than that eip screener to callback to offer to swag in like 4 days.

And celebrating getting a job really isn’t offensive any way you slice it.

I agree that it’s not offensive but I definitely understand why you’d think it was obnoxious to post swag on Instagram when other people are probably waiting to hear back. To be fair to OP, I think I heard about the post you’re talking about, and I’m pretty sure that person is a known gunner so it shouldn’t be a surprise they posted. I wouldn’t let it make you or your friends nervous though. Just keep going. It will all work out.

Also saw this post. The guy is a jerk. Even his friends get mad at him all the time. People shouldn’t post to Instagram but it doesn’t actually mean anything.

can u share the section the person is in lol

Section 7

Are you sure??

[Anonymous User]

Does anyone know how much grades matter after you have already gotten a call back?

[Anonymous User]

someone i know but am not close with got an offer after a quick turnaround callback (even though recruiting policies strictly forbid callbacks during the week of eip...), and posted on instagram with all the swag the firm sent. definitely not a diversity recruit, so the offer 100% must've come from eip.

is it just me, or is that super obnoxious? i appreciate that they're excited, but also, some people (myself included) are still exceptionally nervous, and i just thought it was unnecessary. i also have multiple friends with only 1 callback who are really flipping out about the pressure being placed on that 1 callback, and they were telling me they felt even worse when they saw the post. like, i thought the #1 thing not to do is to rub your offers in other people's faces, and this felt like they were doing that. i'm honestly happy that other ppl are getting things because i know we'll all be good and dandy, i just thought it was offensive.

Keep in mind there was a lot of pre-oci action this year. I know a few people who got offers this week from callbacks that happened weeks ago. I’d bet that’s what happened, rather than that eip screener to callback to offer to swag in like 4 days.

And celebrating getting a job really isn’t offensive any way you slice it.

I agree that it’s not offensive but I definitely understand why you’d think it was obnoxious to post swag on Instagram when other people are probably waiting to hear back. To be fair to OP, I think I heard about the post you’re talking about, and I’m pretty sure that person is a known gunner so it shouldn’t be a surprise they posted. I wouldn’t let it make you or your friends nervous though. Just keep going. It will all work out.

Also saw this post. The guy is a jerk. Even his friends get mad at him all the time. People shouldn’t post to Instagram but it doesn’t actually mean anything.

can u share the section the person is in lol

Section 7

Are you sure??

1000%

[Anonymous User]

Keep in mind there was a lot of pre-oci action this year. I know a few people who got offers this week from callbacks that happened weeks ago. I’d bet that’s what happened, rather than that eip screener to callback to offer to swag in like 4 days.

And celebrating getting a job really isn’t offensive any way you slice it.

I agree that it’s not offensive but I definitely understand why you’d think it was obnoxious to post swag on Instagram when other people are probably waiting to hear back. To be fair to OP, I think I heard about the post you’re talking about, and I’m pretty sure that person is a known gunner so it shouldn’t be a surprise they posted. I wouldn’t let it make you or your friends nervous though. Just keep going. It will all work out.

Also saw this post. The guy is a jerk. Even his friends get mad at him all the time. People shouldn’t post to Instagram but it doesn’t actually mean anything.

can u share the section the person is in lol

Section 7

Are you sure??

1000%

As an s7 who has sleuthed I have found no culprit.

[Anonymous User]

So if we haven’t heard out of NYC, should we assume it’s a no go?