HLS EIP 2016 Forum

[ms2014]

I have 1H, 9P and am targeting 2 markets (NYC and one other major market). I have 20 interviews. Do you think it would be prudent to add more?

Yeah

thanks! follow up q, if i literally see no clickable links to add in csm, am i doing something wrong or are there really no open slots? i cant seem to add any firms, even ones that show that there are 2l slots left?

My guess is that a new link will show up when the add period starts, tomorrow at noon.

As a general question, does anyone know if there are typically lots of interview slots opening up for the NY firms during the add/drop period? I was bidding NY as a back-up market but didn't get interviews with 7/11 of the NY firms on my list (and they were almost all large firms with over 100 interview slots). Is it likely slots will open up or would I be best off emailing their recruiters?

[Anonymous User]

Was SF unusually competitive this year or something? I didn't get interviews with 4 firms I ranked in my top 10, even though those firms usually have a 60%-80% bid to interview ratios.

Yeah I missed out on both my #5 and #6 firms. SF firms need to start adding more interview slots at EIP.

[Anonymous User]

Was SF unusually competitive this year or something? I didn't get interviews with 4 firms I ranked in my top 10, even though those firms usually have a 60%-80% bid to interview ratios.

Yeah I missed out on both my #5 and #6 firms. SF firms need to start adding more interview slots at EIP.

I think part of the problem is that like all the SF firms are scheduled on the same two days. I bet I missed out on some firms I ranked because of that.

[TripTrip]

Does anybody know what an average number of interviews is for someone who bid on 35 firms?

Specifically, I have 1 DS, 2 Hs, and 7Ps. I have 25 interviews, 20 with D.C. firms and 5 with N.Y. firms. Should I be looking to add a few more?

I have 1H, 9P and am targeting 2 markets (NYC and one other major market). I have 20 interviews. Do you think it would be prudent to add more?

Yeah

thanks! follow up q, if i literally see no clickable links to add in csm, am i doing something wrong or are there really no open slots? i cant seem to add any firms, even ones that show that there are 2l slots left?

My guess is that a new link will show up when the add period starts, tomorrow at noon.

As a general question, does anyone know if there are typically lots of interview slots opening up for the NY firms during the add/drop period? I was bidding NY as a back-up market but didn't get interviews with 7/11 of the NY firms on my list (and they were almost all large firms with over 100 interview slots). Is it likely slots will open up or would I be best off emailing their recruiters?

I'd wait until the add period starts to see if you can fit them in through Symplicity. If not, go for emailing the recruiter.

[Orion311]

When we print and/or send out transcripts, are we supposed to include the pages that show which courses we're registered for next year?

[TripTrip]

When we print and/or send out transcripts, are we supposed to include the pages that show which courses we're registered for next year?

Yeah. It won't be used for anything, but they want the whole document. Some attorneys like to make small talk based on the profs listed.

[ChemEng1642]

How many interviews are too many interviews in a day?

[Anonymous User]

When/how do we find out who our interviewers are?

[Orion311]

When/how do we find out who our interviewers are?

If you click to review a scheduled interview in CSM it should be in the details.

[Anonymous User]

When/how do we find out who our interviewers are?

If you click to review a scheduled interview in CSM it should be in the details.

There are five or six listed for some. Do we find out which one will interview us?

[Anonymous User]

How many interviews are too many interviews in a day?

also interested

[TripTrip]

How many interviews are too many interviews in a day?

also interested

It depends. Five or more will feel like a lot, but it will feel totally different depending on how they are spaced.

For example, if it's three back-to-back in the morning (20 minutes in between each), followed by a long break, then two later in the evening, it won't feel like much. But if you never have more than 40 minutes between two interviews, you might get frustrated that you can't leave and go get something to eat away from the Charles.

I find it's helpful to try and plan out any day you think will be busy. When will you arrive? When will you eat? Assume you'll be spending downtime decompressing in the ballroom with classmates you haven't seen in months. Maybe have written down two or three things about each firm that you want to remember so you're not always looking things up right before the interview.

If you are interviewing in two different markets, write down which city you're interested with each firm and whether they have an office in the other market. There's nothing more embarrassing than saying you're interested in doing litigation in Chicago and receiving a confused look since the firm only does transactional work in New York. (This sounds like an absurd thing to screw up, but remember you're doing 15-20 interviews with firms that hardly differ from each other in the way they present themselves.)

[ChemEng1642]

How many interviews are too many interviews in a day?

also interested

It depends. Five or more will feel like a lot, but it will feel totally different depending on how they are spaced.

For example, if it's three back-to-back in the morning (20 minutes in between each), followed by a long break, then two later in the evening, it won't feel like much. But if you never have more than 40 minutes between two interviews, you might get frustrated that you can't leave and go get something to eat away from the Charles.

I find it's helpful to try and plan out any day you think will be busy. When will you arrive? When will you eat? Assume you'll be spending downtime decompressing in the ballroom with classmates you haven't seen in months. Maybe have written down two or three things about each firm that you want to remember so you're not always looking things up right before the interview.

If you are interviewing in two different markets, write down which city you're interested with each firm and whether they have an office in the other market. There's nothing more embarrassing than saying you're interested in doing litigation in Chicago and receiving a confused look since the firm only does transactional work in New York. (This sounds like an absurd thing to screw up, but remember you're doing 15-20 interviews with firms that hardly differ from each other in the way they present themselves.)

Thanks! I have 8 on Tuesday and no more than a 40 minute gap from 10 am to 4 pm :-/.

[Bilb0Baggins]

Is there any way to trade / give away bids once the drop period has ended? I heavily subscribed my schedule for the week, then was just offered a SA position via a pre-OCI CB at one of my top-choice firms--an hour after the drop period closed. Would be happy to give away several of my screeners at firms where I don't plan to take a callback even if offered.

[TripTrip]

Thanks! I have 8 on Tuesday and no more than a 40 minute gap from 10 am to 4 pm :-/.

Just plan ahead. Pack a lunch and get into a groove with the interviews. It'll be a long day but you'll be able to knock it out.

Also eat a late low-carb breakfast. I know I keep talking about food here but seriously: don't go hungry at EIP, and don't eat food that will make you yawn in interviews. (Bread, pasta, you get it.)

Is there any way to trade / give away bids once the drop period has ended? I heavily subscribed my schedule for the week, then was just offered a SA position via a pre-OCI CB at one of my top-choice firms--an hour after the drop period closed. Would be happy to give away several of my screeners at firms where I don't plan to take a callback even if offered.

That's an odd situation. I don't think you'll be able to, and I'm not sure you should even if you can. I get that you would be less likely to accept some callbacks, but getting a callback with one firm shouldn't significantly change your interview strategy. You don't know everything about the firms you haven't interviewed with. If you for-sure want to drop those bids, you should email OCS and explain the situation.

You should know that law firms fight over who gets to screen on Monday, because students overwhelmingly select firms that give them callbacks first. As an outsider looking in, it's absurd that the best firm for any given student would in any way be related to the order in which they offer that student a callback. I get the mentality, I really do, but I'd recommend fighting it and thoroughly considering all your options.

[Anonymous User]

Is there any way to trade / give away bids once the drop period has ended? I heavily subscribed my schedule for the week, then was just offered a SA position via a pre-OCI CB at one of my top-choice firms--an hour after the drop period closed. Would be happy to give away several of my screeners at firms where I don't plan to take a callback even if offered.

Yes, but not pleasantly. OCS has a stated no-adjustments policy, but send them an email -- and be persistent -- and they'll let you drop firms especially if they tend to be oversubscribed (few open slots).

[nobody17]

Is there a specific procedure for asking EIP-attending firms for interviews outside the ones assigned by OCS?*

*Probably asked and answered somewhere on this forum, but likely of general interest to 2Ls like yours truly currently reading this thread

Email the recruiter for the office in which you're interested (should be on the firm's website), say you missed on your bid, but you're very intersted and would love the chance to meet w a lawyer during EIP (if you say "glad to meet before/after official hours" almost everyone will find a way to fit you in)

Is contact information for recruiters available somewhere in Symplicity or some other centralized resource that will have this information for all EIP firms? Or is this only available on the firm websites?

[Indifference]

Is there a specific procedure for asking EIP-attending firms for interviews outside the ones assigned by OCS?*

*Probably asked and answered somewhere on this forum, but likely of general interest to 2Ls like yours truly currently reading this thread

Email the recruiter for the office in which you're interested (should be on the firm's website), say you missed on your bid, but you're very intersted and would love the chance to meet w a lawyer during EIP (if you say "glad to meet before/after official hours" almost everyone will find a way to fit you in)

Is contact information for recruiters available somewhere in Symplicity or some other centralized resource that will have this information for all EIP firms? Or is this only available on the firm websites?

Its usually on the right hand panel in symplicity when you click on a firm's name.

[nobody17]

Is there a specific procedure for asking EIP-attending firms for interviews outside the ones assigned by OCS?*

*Probably asked and answered somewhere on this forum, but likely of general interest to 2Ls like yours truly currently reading this thread

Email the recruiter for the office in which you're interested (should be on the firm's website), say you missed on your bid, but you're very intersted and would love the chance to meet w a lawyer during EIP (if you say "glad to meet before/after official hours" almost everyone will find a way to fit you in)

Is contact information for recruiters available somewhere in Symplicity or some other centralized resource that will have this information for all EIP firms? Or is this only available on the firm websites?

Its usually on the right hand panel in symplicity when you click on a firm's name.

Thanks for the reply Indifference. I must be looking at the wrong place -- I don't see any contact information in Symplicity. The closest thing I see is the names of the interviewers. Do you have a screenshot that you could share?

I was able to find recruiter contact information for all the firms here though: http://www.nalpdirectory.com/

[brussels_sprouts]

so on the prepare for interview page of OCI, we are asked to prepare writing sample and reference sheet. I am wondering 1) will firms ask for writing sample/reference sheet at screener even if they are not listed as required documents on SIMPLICITY? 2) when do firms usually ask for writing sample and reference? 3) do firms actually contact the reference and if so when do they usually contact them?

[heythatslife]

so on the prepare for interview page of OCI, we are asked to prepare writing sample and reference sheet. I am wondering 1) will firms ask for writing sample/reference sheet at screener even if they are not listed as required documents on SIMPLICITY? 2) when do firms usually ask for writing sample and reference? 3) do firms actually contact the reference and if so when do they usually contact them?

1) If they didn't ask for those things on Symplicity, the firm probably won't. I did about 25 screeners, and I had both a writing sample and a reference sheet prepared just in case even though the the firms I interviewed with did not specify them as requirements on Symplicity. I did not end up providing either to anyone. But this is a situation where your mileage may vary.
2) I think it would be normal to hand them over with your transcript at the beginning of the interview.
3) This would seem completely dependent on the firm.

[Anonymous User]

How late is too late to schedule callbacks? Would asking a firm to schedule for second to third week of September be frowned upon? Trying to plan ahead as I will be unavoidably out of the country for most of August post-EIP.

[Anonymous User]

If a firm asks for 2-3 references and I have 2 strong ones and 1 okay one, would it look bad to only submit 2? I have two really strong ones from an HLS professor and my 1L summer job, but my options for a third are either really distant (undergrad professors) or unreliable (my pre-LS employer was a relative).

[wwwcol]

How late is too late to schedule callbacks? Would asking a firm to schedule for second to third week of September be frowned upon? Trying to plan ahead as I will be unavoidably out of the country for most of August post-EIP.

That seems wayyy too late - as in most summer classes will already be finalized (or close to it) by then. I had to schedule a couple callbacks the last few days of August and got the distinct feeling during some of those interviews that there were hardly any spots left.

If a firm asks for 2-3 references and I have 2 strong ones and 1 okay one, would it look bad to only submit 2? I have two really strong ones from an HLS professor and my 1L summer job, but my options for a third are either really distant (undergrad professors) or unreliable (my pre-LS employer was a relative).

If they ask for "2-3" then you should be fine with two. I wouldn't read into this like it's a test to see how well you sucked up to professors during 1L - if they even call them (most firms won't), it'll probably be to make sure there are no major red flags. Two references should be more than enough for them to cover their bases.

[Pneumonia]

How late is too late to schedule callbacks? Would asking a firm to schedule for second to third week of September be frowned upon? Trying to plan ahead as I will be unavoidably out of the country for most of August post-EIP.

That's too late. I'm sure you can find a solution that will let you keep your commitments and get a job, but going through EIP while planning to do callbacks 4–5 weeks later isn't it.