Columbia EIP 2014 Forum

[Anonymous User]

Just got a CB with Quinn's NY office. ~3.6.

[Anonymous User]

Just got a CB with Quinn's NY office. ~3.6.

This is encouraging.

Does anyone know whether we are supposed to include a cover letter with our resume and transcript if we are applying to Quinn? They don't say anything about it, but then tell you to note in your cover letter if you want to apply to more than one office.

[Anonymous User]

If I'm not bidding NY or CA and FFB isn't a concern because half my bids didn't fail last year, is this thread relevant to me? I'm not Stone, but I'm very very close, so offer by honors doesn't scare me too much.

You should view the offer by honors report very conservatively. A big mistake people make is thinking that because they just passed the Stone cutoff that they stand a good chance at almost every firm that is 80%+ Stone, and that's just not the case. Sounds like you are making a similar mistake despite not even having the 3.41.

What makes your situation tricky is that firms in non-NYC markets just don't make that many offers, so one year they could be 100% Stone and the next year 33%. See if CSO can give you data for past years to help figure out just how selective firms are. Although it may not matter much if you're going to interview with every firm in a given market anyway.

Doesn't Stone put you in range for most NYC firms except the most grade selective ones like Sullivan Cromwell and Cravath?

2L here - I've definitely heard firm recruiters say this, as well know people who were just above Stone that did very well with the top firms (incl S&C and Cravath, actually.)

I wouldn't automatically assume that just because you are under 3.6 that those firms are out of reach. Brush up on those interviewing skills!

[Anonymous User]

Just got a CB with Quinn's NY office. ~3.6.

This is encouraging.

Does anyone know whether we are supposed to include a cover letter with our resume and transcript if we are applying to Quinn? They don't say anything about it, but then tell you to note in your cover letter if you want to apply to more than one office.

You don't need a cover letter. I got a CB without one.

[Anonymous User]

Just got a CB with Quinn's NY office. ~3.6.

This is encouraging.

Does anyone know whether we are supposed to include a cover letter with our resume and transcript if we are applying to Quinn? They don't say anything about it, but then tell you to note in your cover letter if you want to apply to more than one office.

First anon, responding!

I didn't write anything close to a full cover letter, just a generic email blurb about how I'd like the chance to work with them and to contact me if needed. Maybe 3-4 sentences, max, and certainly no separate document. I didn't mention a second office.

[Anonymous User]

Just got a CB with Quinn's NY office. ~3.6.

This is encouraging.

Does anyone know whether we are supposed to include a cover letter with our resume and transcript if we are applying to Quinn? They don't say anything about it, but then tell you to note in your cover letter if you want to apply to more than one office.

You don't need a cover letter. I got a CB without one.

did you email your materials to NY hiring director?

[Anonymous User]

Just got a CB with Quinn's NY office. ~3.6.

This is encouraging.

Does anyone know whether we are supposed to include a cover letter with our resume and transcript if we are applying to Quinn? They don't say anything about it, but then tell you to note in your cover letter if you want to apply to more than one office.

You don't need a cover letter. I got a CB without one.

did you email your materials to NY hiring director?

I sent to whoever that person listed on their website/in that email was. If that was the NY hiring director was, then yes.

[Anonymous User]

Does anyone know approximately when non-Kent/Stone awards are announced (i.e will people who get awards know before having to submit their resumes)?

[Anonymous User]

If I'm not bidding NY or CA and FFB isn't a concern because half my bids didn't fail last year, is this thread relevant to me? I'm not Stone, but I'm very very close, so offer by honors doesn't scare me too much.

You should view the offer by honors report very conservatively. A big mistake people make is thinking that because they just passed the Stone cutoff that they stand a good chance at almost every firm that is 80%+ Stone, and that's just not the case. Sounds like you are making a similar mistake despite not even having the 3.41.

What makes your situation tricky is that firms in non-NYC markets just don't make that many offers, so one year they could be 100% Stone and the next year 33%. See if CSO can give you data for past years to help figure out just how selective firms are. Although it may not matter much if you're going to interview with every firm in a given market anyway.

Doesn't Stone put you in range for most NYC firms except the most grade selective ones like Sullivan Cromwell and Cravath?

2L here - I've definitely heard firm recruiters say this, as well know people who were just above Stone that did very well with the top firms (incl S&C and Cravath, actually.)

I wouldn't automatically assume that just because you are under 3.6 that those firms are out of reach. Brush up on those interviewing skills!

Thanks, it's good to know that those aren't completely shut out for us. I'll do what I can to hone down my interviewing skills. What are the target firms for people just above Stone? (Just under 3.5) I feel like I'm caught in between this weird zone in the middle and don't know how aggressive or safe to be

[Anonymous User]

On the topic of "unclear zones", why doesn't OCS or the registrar provide us with the exact % of students that make Stone and Kent that year? It wouldn't be very difficult, or take very long, since they already went through and calculated the honors for each student. Simply compiling those calculations doesn't seem like an impossible feat, unless CLS hired hired a bunch of staff that never learned to count and divide.

Is the downside that they are afraid firms would steal this information and use it against us? I can appreciate that concern but I also call bullshit, because the firms definitely make their calculations anyway so it's really just us being left in the dark. A privacy concern? Bullshit, since students are ranked all the time and percentages are anonymous. Why does the administration place such a premium on indecipherability?

- little finger

[Tiago Splitter]

Doesn't Stone put you in range for most NYC firms except the most grade selective ones like Sullivan Cromwell and Cravath?

It's not that you shouldn't bid those firms, just that you shouldn't put all your eggs in that basket. I know multiple people just above Stone whose best offer was an NYC office well outside the V10.

[Anonymous User]

Doesn't Stone put you in range for most NYC firms except the most grade selective ones like Sullivan Cromwell and Cravath?

It's not that you shouldn't bid those firms, just that you shouldn't put all your eggs in that basket. I know multiple people just above Stone whose best offer was an NYC office well outside the V10.

Right, that makes sense. I just don't waste bids on places that are basically impossible based on grades, that's all.

[Tiago Splitter]

Doesn't Stone put you in range for most NYC firms except the most grade selective ones like Sullivan Cromwell and Cravath?

It's not that you shouldn't bid those firms, just that you shouldn't put all your eggs in that basket. I know multiple people just above Stone whose best offer was an NYC office well outside the V10.

Right, that makes sense. I just don't waste bids on places that are basically impossible based on grades, that's all.

I wouldn't waste a bid on S&C but the rest seem reasonable. Cravath isn't really a wasted bid because you can typically get it so low.

If you're focused only on NYC then feel free to put some reaches in there. The people who really need to be cautious are the ones who bid 1-2 other markets and largely use NYC as a backup.

[Anonymous User]

If you're going to a firm to meet with attorneys before EIP, how do you know its a pre-EIP screener or callback rather than just a "hey how ya doin, be sure to bid on us"?

I have a number of them in the next month and they all asked for my resume and grades before they asked me to come in. Would it be uncouth to just ask directly?

[Anonymous User]

I don't know if it's any help, but I had a "maybe callback" situation w/ Kirkland and career services told me I could not take it because the branch that contacted me was coming to EIP. Just a heads up.

[Anonymous User]

I don't know if it's any help, but I had a "maybe callback" situation w/ Kirkland and career services told me I could not take it because the branch that contacted me was coming to EIP. Just a heads up.

Do not kowtow to career services during EIP. They will tell you a bunch of shit that isn't for your own good but is based on their interests. Similar situation last year and they told me the same thing. I told them that I understood their position, but that I was taking the callback. As long as you're tactful about it, they aren't going to go nuclear and prevent you from going through EIP (it would be a pretty bad look for them if they did).

[Anonymous User]

If you're going to a firm to meet with attorneys before EIP, how do you know its a pre-EIP screener or callback rather than just a "hey how ya doin, be sure to bid on us"?

I have a number of them in the next month and they all asked for my resume and grades before they asked me to come in. Would it be uncouth to just ask directly?

Unless you're travelling a distance, why not just go in? Either way its beneficial to you.

[Anonymous User]

If we're mass mailing now should we include info about our summer job in our cover letter? Or is it too early for that? I started kind of late so I've only been here for 3 weeks

[Anonymous User]

If you're going to a firm to meet with attorneys before EIP, how do you know its a pre-EIP screener or callback rather than just a "hey how ya doin, be sure to bid on us"?

I have a number of them in the next month and they all asked for my resume and grades before they asked me to come in. Would it be uncouth to just ask directly?

Unless you're travelling a distance, why not just go in? Either way its beneficial to you.

Oh, I'm definitely going to do them, but I can save bids if these are actual interviews rather than glorified info sessions.

[Anonymous User]

If you're going to a firm to meet with attorneys before EIP, how do you know its a pre-EIP screener or callback rather than just a "hey how ya doin, be sure to bid on us"?

I have a number of them in the next month and they all asked for my resume and grades before they asked me to come in. Would it be uncouth to just ask directly?

Unless you're travelling a distance, why not just go in? Either way its beneficial to you.

Oh, I'm definitely going to do them, but I can save bids if these are actual interviews rather than glorified info sessions.

These are weird gray areas, I would just ask the recruiter after you've had the meeting (though after the fact it may be obvious). Say that you're very interested, etc. and ask if you should still plan on interviewing with them during EIP. From what I've heard of pre-EIP screeners, if they've asked for your resume and grades, they are probably considering it a screener and will consider you for a callback after that meeting, but if it's not explicit, I would just ask.

[officer-rabbit]

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[Anonymous User]

Did anyone who went to the NYC Davis Polk/Skadden/Proskauer/Kirkland receptions last night get any interesting insight? I learned that people at other firms hate on Davis Polk culture, but people at Davis Polk (at least the ones I talked to) seem to think it's great.

couldn't go, what's the DP culture?

[brazleton]

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[Anonymous User]

Did anyone who went to the NYC Davis Polk/Skadden/Proskauer/Kirkland receptions last night get any interesting insight? I learned that people at other firms hate on Davis Polk culture, but people at Davis Polk (at least the ones I talked to) seem to think it's great.

You do understand that if someone at a firm is caught ragging on firm culture at a recruiting event, they are, at minimum, getting a harsh talking to from a recruiting partner? You should assume everything you hear at these receptions is lies and be pleasantly surprised if anyone tells the truth.

Also, negative recruiting is bush league. You want to go work at another firm, god speed. My goal is to convince you that my firm is the best, not that other firms suck.

[Anonymous User]

So, how are the bid lists coming along? Finally started tonight, hoping to make some progress