NEW final 2010 OCI results thread that are ACTUALLY FINAL Forum

[Anonymous User]

top 20% at T20;

Callbacks with 7 firms (9 offices); Rejections at 4; 1 Offer at V50, which I accepted; Withdrawals from remaining 2.

So relieved it's over.

[98234872348]

I'm sure the full page of thread derailment going on now will be appreciated by future generations of users trying to gather the info this thread was meant to provide.

I, for one, would have appreciated such a page in evaluating my decision to attend law school...

[Anonymous User]

School range: MVPB
Market(s): Secondary (hometown)
Approx. class rank: Top 1/3
Law review: Yes
Work experience: strong, 5 years
IP background: Yes
Anything else that might have an impact?: No
Self-assessed interview ability (1-10): 9
Screening Interviews: 17
Mass mails: 0
Callbacks received: 15
Callbacks accepted: 10
Offers w/vault ranges: 8 (vault not so useful, the major firms for the market)

[Anonymous User]

School Range: CCN
Market: NYC, Chi
Approx. class rank: Top 40%-Top 33%
Law Review: No
Work experience: 1 yr unrelated field
IP: No
Self-assessed interview capability: Median (5/10? 7/10?)
Screening interviews: 23
Mass mails: 4
Callbacks received: 6
Callbacks accepted: 6
Offers: 2 offers (V15-NY, V30-Chi), 1 rejection (V50-NY). Withdrawn from V50, V75 and NLJ250.

[Anonymous User]

School Range: SLS
Market: DC, a couple in NYC
Approx. class rank: No idea, but lots of Hs
Law Review: Yup
Work experience: 1L summer job was in practice area I want
Self-assessed interview capability: Good, 6/10 maybe.
Anything else that might have an impact?: Potential academic flight risk?
Screening interviews: 13
Mass mails: 0
Callbacks received: 7
Callbacks accepted: 7
Offers: 5 offers: 2 NYC V10, 1 DC V10, 2 DC V20, withdrew from 2. Accepted DC V10.

[Anonymous User]

School Range: Duke/Northwestern
Approx. class rank: roughly top 20%
Markets: Texas, DC, Chicago, SoCal and a smaller tertiary market.
LR: No
WE: lots
Self assessed interview capability: decent, 6-7ish
Anything that might have had an impact? Nothing I can think of
Screeners: 16
Mass Mails: One resume collect through career services
Callbacks received: 11
Accepted: 11
Offers: 4 (1 V15, 2 V50 and a V60), withdrew from 3 (but got rejected by one a few days later, so it was probably already in the mail).

[Anonymous User]

School range: T 25
Market(s): Chicago, Minneapolis
Approx. class rank: Top 15 %
Law review: "Secondary," though it is more selective/more well-known than our law review (I chose this over law review)
Work experience: Straight from College
IP background: No
Anything else that might have an impact?: Good "softs"-- President of student body, etc.
Self-assessed interview ability (1-10): 9
Screening Interviews: 13
Mass mails: 0
Callbacks received: 10
Callbacks accepted: 8
Offers: 4-- One v100. Accepted from a v200 and one of the largest firms in U.S.

wtf is v200?

obviously an ego-saver

[Anonymous User]

This is my update for the Mpls/Chi Market. The one with a comment about v200-- and YES there is such a thing-- it is for smaller firms is all. I have had offers from 3 v100s as well. Just thought v200 was worth mentioning.

School Range: T25
Market: Minneapolis and Chicago
Approx. Class Rank: Top 15 %
Journal: Secondary
Work Experience: Straight Through
IP: Nope
Self-Assessed Interview Capability: 8 or 9/10
Callbacks Received: 8
Offers: 7

Other comments: 1st choice was to work in Minneapolis. Commitment to working there is a big factor once you have the numbers. This Commitment, among my class rank, and activities, served my the best. I don't get nervous while interviewing and prefer to just shoot the sh**. This also served me well.

[Anonymous User]

School Range: CCN
Markets: Chicago and NYC
Approx. Class Rank: Between Top 5%-Top 10%
Law Review: Yes
Work Experience: None
IP: No
Self-Assessed Interview Capability: 6 (however, I'm a really goofy looking dude, so I probably operate at about a 3)
OCI Screeners: 15
Callbacks Received: 7
Callbacks Accepted: 6
Offers: 5
Ranges: 1-V5, 2-V15, 1-V25, 1-V50 (accepted one of the V15's)

[rayiner]

School range: T 25
Market(s): Chicago, Minneapolis
Approx. class rank: Top 15 %
Law review: "Secondary," though it is more selective/more well-known than our law review (I chose this over law review)
Work experience: Straight from College
IP background: No
Anything else that might have an impact?: Good "softs"-- President of student body, etc.
Self-assessed interview ability (1-10): 9
Screening Interviews: 13
Mass mails: 0
Callbacks received: 10
Callbacks accepted: 8
Offers: 4-- One v100. Accepted from a v200 and one of the largest firms in U.S.

wtf is v200?

obviously an ego-saver

AmLaw 200?

[Anonymous User]

School range: GCDN
Market(s): NY + DC
Approx. class rank: Top 10/15%
Law review: Secondary
Work experience: Irrelevant but interesting.
IP background: No.
Anything else that might have an impact?: No
Self-assessed interview ability (1-10): 9
Screening Interviews: 22
Mass mails: 0
Callbacks received: 10
Callbacks accepted: 10
NY Offers: 1 V20, 2 V50
Non-NY Offers: 2 V100

Free advice: if you have grades above their average, be humble and slightly self-deprecating. If you have grades below their average, be humble but aggressively sell yourself at the same time.

And RELAX.

[Anonymous User]

AmLaw 200?

thanks for clearing that up. revenue/ppp/#attorneys is nothing like PRESTIGE, baby.

[rayiner]

AmLaw 200?

thanks for clearing that up. revenue/ppp/#attorneys is nothing like PRESTIGE, baby.

Because Vault does such a great job at measuring prestige. Weil is *totally* more prestigious than W&C and Covington!

[Anonymous User]

AmLaw 200?

thanks for clearing that up. revenue/ppp/#attorneys is nothing like PRESTIGE, baby.

Because Vault does such a great job at measuring prestige. Weil is *totally* more prestigious than W&C and Covington!

I thought the "baby" and the caps conveyed the sarcasm. Apparently not.

[Anonymous User]

School Range: Middling T1
Market: CA
Approx. class rank: Top 33%
Law Review: lolololol NO
Work experience: 2 yrs, unrelated to law
IP: Not at all
Self-assessed interview capability: 8-9/10
Screening interviews: 10
Mass mails: dozens
Callbacks received: 5
Callbacks accepted: 5
Offers: 3 (all mid-sized CA firms)

I am very lucky, and chalking my results up to interview skills. Most people at my school outside the top-10% have been boned.

[Anonymous User]

School Range: HYS
Market: NYC
Approx. class rank: Top 10%ish?
Law Review: No
Work experience: 2 Years, Finance
IP: No
Self-assessed interview capability: No idea
Screening interviews: 30
Mass mails: 0
Callbacks received: ~25
Callbacks accepted: 7
Offers: 5 (3 V5, 1 V10, 1V25)

[BruceWayne]

V10's hiring GULC students with 4.4's? I'm skeptical, in light of the data given us by OCS over the last decade. But I guess this person could just be the best interviewer in history with the best WE for corporate law.

Info from OCS on the V10 selectivity over the past decade, median GPA hired for summer positions.

Wachtell - No info because they do not recruit from GULC
Cravath - 3.73
SullCrom - 3.7
Skadden - 3.51 (NY) 3.54 (DC)
DPW - 3.65
Simpson - 3.61
Weil - 3.44 (NY)
W&C - 3.71
Ceary - 3.7 (DC & NY)
Covington - 3.79

And Kirkland DC has a 3.54; maybe NY with a 3.34 (median post curve change; near top third prior)

The above data was prior to the curve increase and the reduction of summer classes. Meaning everyone have a GPA of at least about .15 better than before (theoretically) and firms are more selective (obviously). These were top 10% numbers befo
re the curve change, it used to be around 3.63 for top 10%; that won't even get you top 15% in most sections.

This DC data on GULC is interesting. Many posters often comment on how it's a bad idea to go to UVA or GULC for DC, and that the schools have no advantage over any of the other top 14 schools in the market (unlike the other top 14 schools which are widely held to have an advantage in their home market). However, from this GPA data it seems that DC firms are going either slightly deeper into GULC's class than they do at some of the other non DC top 14, or the same (at least from the charts I've seen of other top 14 schools). The W&C GPA confirms something I guessed a while back. At firms that are that selective, the reality is that they essentially want the same tip top grades across the top 14 excluding HYS. And honestly, from what I saw of what they required for Stanford, the difference is not as great as you might think. The same seems to goes for Covington.

[Anonymous User]

School range: MVP
Market(s): NYC
Approx. class rank: Top 1/3
Law review: No
Work experience: 1 Year
IP background: No
Anything else that might have an impact?: None.
Self-assessed interview ability (1-10): 9
Screening Interviews: 18
Mass mails: 3
Callbacks received: 11
Callbacks accepted: 11
Offers w/vault ranges: 7 (1-v5, 1-v10, 3-v20, 1-v50, 1-v100)
Accepted: V50 offer

[chup]

It seems that people are evaluating their interview skills according to the Lake Wobegon standard.

[rayiner]

V10's hiring GULC students with 4.4's? I'm skeptical, in light of the data given us by OCS over the last decade. But I guess this person could just be the best interviewer in history with the best WE for corporate law.

Info from OCS on the V10 selectivity over the past decade, median GPA hired for summer positions.

Wachtell - No info because they do not recruit from GULC
Cravath - 3.73
SullCrom - 3.7
Skadden - 3.51 (NY) 3.54 (DC)
DPW - 3.65
Simpson - 3.61
Weil - 3.44 (NY)
W&C - 3.71
Ceary - 3.7 (DC & NY)
Covington - 3.79

And Kirkland DC has a 3.54; maybe NY with a 3.34 (median post curve change; near top third prior)

The above data was prior to the curve increase and the reduction of summer classes. Meaning everyone have a GPA of at least about .15 better than before (theoretically) and firms are more selective (obviously). These were top 10% numbers befo
re the curve change, it used to be around 3.63 for top 10%; that won't even get you top 15% in most sections.

This DC data on GULC is interesting. Many posters often comment on how it's a bad idea to go to UVA or GULC for DC, and that the schools have no advantage over any of the other top 14 schools in the market (unlike the other top 14 schools which are widely held to have an advantage in their home market). However, from this GPA data it seems that DC firms are going either slightly deeper into GULC's class than they do at some of the other non DC top 14, or the same (at least from the charts I've seen of other top 14 schools). The W&C GPA confirms something I guessed a while back. At firms that are that selective, the reality is that they essentially want the same tip top grades across the top 14 excluding HYS. And honestly, from what I saw of what they required for Stanford, the difference is not as great as you might think. The same seems to goes for Covington.

Firms might (and almost certainly do) hire from the same band of grades at GULC. That doesn't mean that competition isn't stiffer there. If firms hire top 10% at two schools but at one more of the top 10% is interested in that firm (relative to number of slots available) then your odds go way down.

[wiseowl]

V10's hiring GULC students with 4.4's? I'm skeptical, in light of the data given us by OCS over the last decade. But I guess this person could just be the best interviewer in history with the best WE for corporate law.

Info from OCS on the V10 selectivity over the past decade, median GPA hired for summer positions.

Wachtell - No info because they do not recruit from GULC
Cravath - 3.73
SullCrom - 3.7
Skadden - 3.51 (NY) 3.54 (DC)
DPW - 3.65
Simpson - 3.61
Weil - 3.44 (NY)
W&C - 3.71
Ceary - 3.7 (DC & NY)
Covington - 3.79

And Kirkland DC has a 3.54; maybe NY with a 3.34 (median post curve change; near top third prior)

The above data was prior to the curve increase and the reduction of summer classes. Meaning everyone have a GPA of at least about .15 better than before (theoretically) and firms are more selective (obviously). These were top 10% numbers befo
re the curve change, it used to be around 3.63 for top 10%; that won't even get you top 15% in most sections.

This DC data on GULC is interesting. Many posters often comment on how it's a bad idea to go to UVA or GULC for DC, and that the schools have no advantage over any of the other top 14 schools in the market (unlike the other top 14 schools which are widely held to have an advantage in their home market). However, from this GPA data it seems that DC firms are going either slightly deeper into GULC's class than they do at some of the other non DC top 14, or the same (at least from the charts I've seen of other top 14 schools). The W&C GPA confirms something I guessed a while back. At firms that are that selective, the reality is that they essentially want the same tip top grades across the top 14 excluding HYS. And honestly, from what I saw of what they required for Stanford, the difference is not as great as you might think. The same seems to goes for Covington.

Firms might (and almost certainly do) hire from the same band of grades at GULC. That doesn't mean that competition isn't stiffer there. If firms hire top 10% at two schools but at one more of the top 10% is interested in that firm (relative to number of slots available) then your odds go way down.

Plus the top 10% of GULC is what, 60 people?

[Anonymous User]

School range: CCN
Market(s): NYC
Approx. class rank: Transfer from T20, Top 5-10%
Law review: Yes at old school, Secondary at new
Work experience: None
IP background: Yes but no interest in IP
Anything else that might have an impact?: None.
Self-assessed interview ability (1-10): 7
Screening Interviews: 40
Mass mails: 5
Callbacks received: 15
Callbacks accepted: 14
Offers w/vault ranges: 4 (2-v20, 1-v50, 1-v100; 6 dings, withdrawing from all else)
Accepted: V20 offer

[Anonymous User]

School range: MVP
Market(s): NYC and Chicago
Approx. class rank: Slightly below Median
Law review: None
Work experience: None
IP background: None
Anything else that might have an impact?: None.
Self-assessed interview ability (1-10): 2. I sound dumb. That being said, I am a very attractive dude. I think this really helped. I swear I was hit on by some of my interviewers.
Screening Interviews: 27
Callbacks received: 5
Callbacks accepted: 5
Offers w/vault ranges: V50 in Chicago, 2 V75s in NYC

[Hoopster]

School range: MVP
Market(s): NYC and Chicago
Approx. class rank: Slightly below Median
Law review: None
Work experience: None
IP background: None
Anything else that might have an impact?: None.
Self-assessed interview ability (1-10): 2. I sound dumb. That being said, I am a very attractive dude. I think this really helped. I swear I was hit on by some of my interviewers.
Screening Interviews: 27
Callbacks received: 5
Callbacks accepted: 5
Offers w/vault ranges: V50 in Chicago, 2 V75s in NYC

Were they hot?

[Anonymous User]

School range: MVP
Market(s): LA, NY, Chicago, several flyover markets
Approx. class rank: Somewhere below median.
Law review: Secondary
Work experience: 2 years non-law related
IP background: No
Anything else that might have an impact?: Unique background for a law student, that I think may have actually hurt me in some interviews (I got a lot of "wtf, why law school?" questions during OCI)
Self-assessed interview ability (1-10): 9
Screening Interviews: 20
Mass mails: too many.
Callbacks received: 1
Callbacks accepted: 1
Offers w/vault ranges: Offer is from a midlaw firm in a flyover market. Taking the lower salary but improved QOL and running with it, as I was somewhat biglaw averse from the get-go. I feel lucky, considering I have friends with better grades who have nothing.