NYC to 200k Forum

[Anonymous User]

Of all the firms listed, Susman and Williams and Connolly sent the most prestigious rejection letters. (Anonymous because I presume I’m the only poster that received rejection letters from every single v15, top litigation boutique, and Boies).

[Anonymous User]

TBF I'd probably turn down Williams & Connolly for most V10 firms.

I'd take Keker/MTO/Susman over any V10 firm in a heartbeat. I'd take Bartlit Beck over any of those, not billing hours is GOAT.

These firms command top talent because law students can live off of prestige. And some pay above market. Kellogg's starting salary is 225k.

Also, what's with all the salty people ITT who couldn't get interviews/callbacks at lit boutiques lmao.

[Anonymous User]

TBF I'd probably turn down Williams & Connolly for most V10 firms.

Lol wut... why would u ever do that

[Anonymous User]

TBF I'd probably turn down Williams & Connolly for most V10 firms.

Lol wut... why would u ever do that

Well Def if u dont wanna do lit

[Anonymous User]

Rising 2L from HYS here: from talking to a bunch of other rising 2Ls after a firm reception in NY earlier this week, the non-matching firms are slowly but surely lowering themselves in the eyes of biglaw-aspiring students creating their bidlists.

FYI, V5!

I'd roll my eyes at you but I'm laughing too hard.

Lol... What you essentially said "I'm an elite HYS student, and my HYS friends and I are not bidding non-190 firms, so they're going to drop in revenue substantially because us HYS'ers will not consider their firms!''

[Anonymous User]

TBF I'd probably turn down Williams & Connolly for most V10 firms.

Lol wut... why would u ever do that

Well Def if u dont wanna do lit

Of course, but anon stated they would choose other lit shops over V10 but not W&C? bizarre

[thermidor9]

Curious -- what is the most important metric in guessing whether a firm will/will not match? Profits per partner/lawyer? Gross revenue? Something else?

Revenue per lawyer. Any metric can be gamed, but that's probably the hardest one to screw with by increasing leverage, de-equitizing partners, etc...

[Anonymous User]

The W&C guys I know are all gung ho on criminal defense, and they work their asses off and read trial ad books in their time off. Extrapolating from that admittedly small sample size, I could see someone not fitting in there because they just aren’t as in to crim law, or they want to go home earlier, or they’re just not trial nuts.

[Anonymous User]

TBF I'd probably turn down Williams & Connolly for most V10 firms.

I'd take Keker/MTO/Susman over any V10 firm in a heartbeat. I'd take Bartlit Beck over any of those, not billing hours is GOAT.

These firms command top talent because law students can live off of prestige. And some pay above market. Kellogg's starting salary is 225k.

Also, what's with all the salty people ITT who couldn't get interviews/callbacks at lit boutiques lmao.

Not only does Kellogg pay 225k but their clerk bonus is 175k. I imagine productivity dropped in many chambers besides ours when that recruitment letter arrived, at least until everyone realized they didn’t really have a shot anyway.

[Anonymous User]

Rising 2L from HYS here: from talking to a bunch of other rising 2Ls after a firm reception in NY earlier this week, the non-matching firms are slowly but surely lowering themselves in the eyes of biglaw-aspiring students creating their bidlists.

FYI, V5!

I'd roll my eyes at you but I'm laughing too hard.

Lol... What you essentially said "I'm an elite HYS student, and my HYS friends and I are not bidding non-190 firms, so they're going to drop in revenue substantially because us HYS'ers will not consider their firms!''

Elite law school kids are the lifeblood of top New York law firms. Look up the summer classes for firms like Davis, Cleary, Cravath, Debevoise, STB, Paul[,] Weiss. Three schools are 40 to 60% of the entire class. If graduates of HLS/CLS/NYU stop going to them, they're gonna be very upset. (They can't often get YLS/SLS grads.). Schools like Duke/Georgetown/Virginia matter much, much less.

[Anonymous User]

Rising 2L from HYS here: from talking to a bunch of other rising 2Ls after a firm reception in NY earlier this week, the non-matching firms are slowly but surely lowering themselves in the eyes of biglaw-aspiring students creating their bidlists.

FYI, V5!

I'd roll my eyes at you but I'm laughing too hard.

Lol... What you essentially said "I'm an elite HYS student, and my HYS friends and I are not bidding non-190 firms, so they're going to drop in revenue substantially because us HYS'ers will not consider their firms!''

Elite law school kids are the lifeblood of top New York law firms. Look up the summer classes for firms like Davis, Cleary, Cravath, Debevoise, STB, Paul[,] Weiss. Three schools are 40 to 60% of the entire class. If graduates of HLS/CLS/NYU stop going to them, they're gonna be very upset. (They can't often get YLS/SLS grads.). Schools like Duke/Georgetown/Virginia matter much, much less.

NYU is not an elite law school. Try again.

[Anonymous User]

What is the Paul Weiss comma joke? Is it related to the stupid ESPN articles calling it Paul/Weiss re the colangelo thing?

[Anonymous User]

Rising 2L from HYS here: from talking to a bunch of other rising 2Ls after a firm reception in NY earlier this week, the non-matching firms are slowly but surely lowering themselves in the eyes of biglaw-aspiring students creating their bidlists.

FYI, V5!

I'd roll my eyes at you but I'm laughing too hard.

Lol... What you essentially said "I'm an elite HYS student, and my HYS friends and I are not bidding non-190 firms, so they're going to drop in revenue substantially because us HYS'ers will not consider their firms!''

Elite law school kids are the lifeblood of top New York law firms. Look up the summer classes for firms like Davis, Cleary, Cravath, Debevoise, STB, Paul[,] Weiss. Three schools are 40 to 60% of the entire class. If graduates of HLS/CLS/NYU stop going to them, they're gonna be very upset. (They can't often get YLS/SLS grads.). Schools like Duke/Georgetown/Virginia matter much, much less.

NYU is not an elite law school. Try again.

Take it up with DPW and Paul, Weiss recruiting.

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 0&start=50

Davis Polk, all offices

Total - 138
NYU 23
Columbia 17
Harvard 16
Yale 15
Stanford 7
Penn 7
Virginia 6
Georgetown 5
Michigan 5
Berkeley 4
Fordham 4
Northwestern 4
Cornell 3
Chicago 3
Duke 3
Brooklyn 2
UCLA 2
UC Hastings 2
Hofstra 2
Osgoode 1
George Washington 1
Emory 1
St. John's 1
Vanderbilt 1
Howard 1
BYU 1
Seton Hall 1


http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 0&start=25

Paul, Weiss

total: 129

NYU (31)
Harvard (19)
Columbia (18)
Yale (7)
Georgetown (6)
Penn (6)
Cardozo (5)
Cornell (4)
Fordham (4)
Stanford (4)
Berkeley (3)
Duke (3)
Toronto (3)
George Washington (2)
Northwestern (2)
Vanderbilt (2)
Boston University (1)
Brooklyn (1)
Howard (1)
Michigan (1)
Osgoode (1)
Texas (1)
UNC (1)
USC (1)
William & Mary (1)
Washington (1)

[Anonymous User]

Rising 2L from HYS here: from talking to a bunch of other rising 2Ls after a firm reception in NY earlier this week, the non-matching firms are slowly but surely lowering themselves in the eyes of biglaw-aspiring students creating their bidlists.

FYI, V5!

I'd roll my eyes at you but I'm laughing too hard.

Lol... What you essentially said "I'm an elite HYS student, and my HYS friends and I are not bidding non-190 firms, so they're going to drop in revenue substantially because us HYS'ers will not consider their firms!''

Elite law school kids are the lifeblood of top New York law firms. Look up the summer classes for firms like Davis, Cleary, Cravath, Debevoise, STB, Paul[,] Weiss. Three schools are 40 to 60% of the entire class. If graduates of HLS/CLS/NYU stop going to them, they're gonna be very upset. (They can't often get YLS/SLS grads.). Schools like Duke/Georgetown/Virginia matter much, much less.

NYU is not an elite law school. Try again.

Grades matter more than law school rank anyway. Just lol @ thinking a median HLS student is gonna be better than a magna Cornell kid. The difference between a median HLS kid and a median UVA kid is like 0.1 uGPA and 2-3 pts on the LSAT.

[Anonymous User]

Well there we have it. Fordham is better than Cal

[Anonymous User]

Law students really are the scum of the earth. NYU is elite, and so is UVA and all the t13 really. Only super elite is Yale and Stanford. Harvard meh if you are on the bottom half.

Firms don’t care about the 2% of annoying students who are whining because they didn’t match quick enough for them. The v25 will all match soon, it really doesn’t matter when in June they do so.

[Anonymous User]

Rising 2L from HYS here: from talking to a bunch of other rising 2Ls after a firm reception in NY earlier this week, the non-matching firms are slowly but surely lowering themselves in the eyes of biglaw-aspiring students creating their bidlists.

FYI, V5!

I'd roll my eyes at you but I'm laughing too hard.

Lol... What you essentially said "I'm an elite HYS student, and my HYS friends and I are not bidding non-190 firms, so they're going to drop in revenue substantially because us HYS'ers will not consider their firms!''

Elite law school kids are the lifeblood of top New York law firms. Look up the summer classes for firms like Davis, Cleary, Cravath, Debevoise, STB, Paul[,] Weiss. Three schools are 40 to 60% of the entire class. If graduates of HLS/CLS/NYU stop going to them, they're gonna be very upset. (They can't often get YLS/SLS grads.). Schools like Duke/Georgetown/Virginia matter much, much less.

NYU is not an elite law school. Try again.

Take it up with DPW and Paul, Weiss recruiting.

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 0&start=50

Davis Polk, all offices

Total - 138
NYU 23
Columbia 17
Harvard 16
Yale 15
Stanford 7
Penn 7
Virginia 6
Georgetown 5
Michigan 5
Berkeley 4
Fordham 4
Northwestern 4
Cornell 3
Chicago 3
Duke 3
Brooklyn 2
UCLA 2
UC Hastings 2
Hofstra 2
Osgoode 1
George Washington 1
Emory 1
St. John's 1
Vanderbilt 1
Howard 1
BYU 1
Seton Hall 1


http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 0&start=25

Paul, Weiss

total: 129

NYU (31)
Harvard (19)
Columbia (18)
Yale (7)
Georgetown (6)
Penn (6)
Cardozo (5)
Cornell (4)
Fordham (4)
Stanford (4)
Berkeley (3)
Duke (3)
Toronto (3)
George Washington (2)
Northwestern (2)
Vanderbilt (2)
Boston University (1)
Brooklyn (1)
Howard (1)
Michigan (1)
Osgoode (1)
Texas (1)
UNC (1)
USC (1)
William & Mary (1)
Washington (1)

NYU is like the anti-Yale: a bunch of students there who fetishize NYC biglaw and don’t have the credentials for better jobs.

[Anonymous User]

Rising 2L from HYS here: from talking to a bunch of other rising 2Ls after a firm reception in NY earlier this week, the non-matching firms are slowly but surely lowering themselves in the eyes of biglaw-aspiring students creating their bidlists.

FYI, V5!

I'd roll my eyes at you but I'm laughing too hard.

Lol... What you essentially said "I'm an elite HYS student, and my HYS friends and I are not bidding non-190 firms, so they're going to drop in revenue substantially because us HYS'ers will not consider their firms!''

Elite law school kids are the lifeblood of top New York law firms. Look up the summer classes for firms like Davis, Cleary, Cravath, Debevoise, STB, Paul[,] Weiss. Three schools are 40 to 60% of the entire class. If graduates of HLS/CLS/NYU stop going to them, they're gonna be very upset. (They can't often get YLS/SLS grads.). Schools like Duke/Georgetown/Virginia matter much, much less.

NYU is not an elite law school. Try again.

Take it up with DPW and Paul, Weiss recruiting.

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 0&start=50

Davis Polk, all offices

Total - 138
NYU 23
Columbia 17
Harvard 16
Yale 15
Stanford 7
Penn 7
Virginia 6
Georgetown 5
Michigan 5
Berkeley 4
Fordham 4
Northwestern 4
Cornell 3
Chicago 3
Duke 3
Brooklyn 2
UCLA 2
UC Hastings 2
Hofstra 2
Osgoode 1
George Washington 1
Emory 1
St. John's 1
Vanderbilt 1
Howard 1
BYU 1
Seton Hall 1


http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 0&start=25

Paul, Weiss

total: 129

NYU (31)
Harvard (19)
Columbia (18)
Yale (7)
Georgetown (6)
Penn (6)
Cardozo (5)
Cornell (4)
Fordham (4)
Stanford (4)
Berkeley (3)
Duke (3)
Toronto (3)
George Washington (2)
Northwestern (2)
Vanderbilt (2)
Boston University (1)
Brooklyn (1)
Howard (1)
Michigan (1)
Osgoode (1)
Texas (1)
UNC (1)
USC (1)
William & Mary (1)
Washington (1)

NYU is like the anti-Yale: a bunch of students there who fetishize NYC biglaw and don’t have the credentials for better jobs.

This sounds like Columbia

[Anonymous User]

I'd roll my eyes at you but I'm laughing too hard.

Lol... What you essentially said "I'm an elite HYS student, and my HYS friends and I are not bidding non-190 firms, so they're going to drop in revenue substantially because us HYS'ers will not consider their firms!''

Elite law school kids are the lifeblood of top New York law firms. Look up the summer classes for firms like Davis, Cleary, Cravath, Debevoise, STB, Paul[,] Weiss. Three schools are 40 to 60% of the entire class. If graduates of HLS/CLS/NYU stop going to them, they're gonna be very upset. (They can't often get YLS/SLS grads.). Schools like Duke/Georgetown/Virginia matter much, much less.

NYU is not an elite law school. Try again.

Take it up with DPW and Paul, Weiss recruiting.

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 0&start=50

Davis Polk, all offices

Total - 138
NYU 23
Columbia 17
Harvard 16
Yale 15
Stanford 7
Penn 7
Virginia 6
Georgetown 5
Michigan 5
Berkeley 4
Fordham 4
Northwestern 4
Cornell 3
Chicago 3
Duke 3
Brooklyn 2
UCLA 2
UC Hastings 2
Hofstra 2
Osgoode 1
George Washington 1
Emory 1
St. John's 1
Vanderbilt 1
Howard 1
BYU 1
Seton Hall 1


http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 0&start=25

Paul, Weiss

total: 129

NYU (31)
Harvard (19)
Columbia (18)
Yale (7)
Georgetown (6)
Penn (6)
Cardozo (5)
Cornell (4)
Fordham (4)
Stanford (4)
Berkeley (3)
Duke (3)
Toronto (3)
George Washington (2)
Northwestern (2)
Vanderbilt (2)
Boston University (1)
Brooklyn (1)
Howard (1)
Michigan (1)
Osgoode (1)
Texas (1)
UNC (1)
USC (1)
William & Mary (1)
Washington (1)

NYU is like the anti-Yale: a bunch of students there who fetishize NYC biglaw and don’t have the credentials for better jobs.

This sounds like Columbia

Somewhat but not nearly as bad as at NYU.

[Anonymous User]

Somewhat but not nearly as bad as at NYU.

You think NYU fetishizes biglaw more than CLS? Just lol

[Anonymous User]

Somewhat but not nearly as bad as at NYU.

You think NYU fetishizes biglaw more than CLS? Just lol

That person must go to such a TTT he doesn't even know an NYU grad or a CLS grad. Rare to meet an NYU grad with a bad attitude, and rare to meet a CLS grad with a good one.

[Anonymous User]

Is there. A. Mod who can change thread name to something graphic about big law fetishes?

[Anonymous User]

Rising 2L from HYS here: from talking to a bunch of other rising 2Ls after a firm reception in NY earlier this week, the non-matching firms are slowly but surely lowering themselves in the eyes of biglaw-aspiring students creating their bidlists.

FYI, V5!

I'd roll my eyes at you but I'm laughing too hard.

Lol... What you essentially said "I'm an elite HYS student, and my HYS friends and I are not bidding non-190 firms, so they're going to drop in revenue substantially because us HYS'ers will not consider their firms!''

Elite law school kids are the lifeblood of top New York law firms. Look up the summer classes for firms like Davis, Cleary, Cravath, Debevoise, STB, Paul[,] Weiss. Three schools are 40 to 60% of the entire class. If graduates of HLS/CLS/NYU stop going to them, they're gonna be very upset. (They can't often get YLS/SLS grads.). Schools like Duke/Georgetown/Virginia matter much, much less.

NYU is not an elite law school. Try again.

Isn't NYU a public school?

[Wild Card]

Rising 2L from HYS here: from talking to a bunch of other rising 2Ls after a firm reception in NY earlier this week, the non-matching firms are slowly but surely lowering themselves in the eyes of biglaw-aspiring students creating their bidlists.

FYI, V5!

I'd roll my eyes at you but I'm laughing too hard.

Lol... What you essentially said "I'm an elite HYS student, and my HYS friends and I are not bidding non-190 firms, so they're going to drop in revenue substantially because us HYS'ers will not consider their firms!''

Elite law school kids are the lifeblood of top New York law firms. Look up the summer classes for firms like Davis, Cleary, Cravath, Debevoise, STB, Paul[,] Weiss. Three schools are 40 to 60% of the entire class. If graduates of HLS/CLS/NYU stop going to them, they're gonna be very upset. (They can't often get YLS/SLS grads.). Schools like Duke/Georgetown/Virginia matter much, much less.

NYU is not an elite law school. Try again.

Grades matter more than law school rank anyway. Just lol @ thinking a median HLS student is gonna be better than a magna Cornell kid. The difference between a median HLS kid and a median UVA kid is like 0.1 uGPA and 2-3 pts on the LSAT.

You're trolling, but I will seize any chance to shit on farthest Cornell. The 75th percentile Cornell enrollee is 168/3.88. The median HLS enrollee is 173/3.86. Magna Cornell would be around median at HLS: I'd say that they're equal.

Magna NYU would be around cum laude HLS.

Bottom line, every law school is shit besides Yale. Honorable mention to SLS for its weather and fancy dorms.

[Anonymous User]

ATL updated its S&C post.

UPDATE: Seniors may even be beating the market in some places — a class of ’09 associate reported $360K.