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[Anonymous User]

Does anyone know if firms generally give you an official "no-offer" or rejection if you aren't getting an offer? I'm sure it varies firm to firm but is that to be expected? My firm told us they wouldn't be notifying us about offers until after we were done working for the summer, but it's been over a week of radio silence.

[BizBro]

lol at the NYC to 190k flame thrown into this thread

[DJ JD]

Does anyone know if firms generally give you an official "no-offer" or rejection if you aren't getting an offer? I'm sure it varies firm to firm but is that to be expected? My firm told us they wouldn't be notifying us about offers until after we were done working for the summer, but it's been over a week of radio silence.

One firm gave us them the day after we stopped working. The other gave us them 1 month. I wouldn't stress.

But yes, from what I read, they'll either give you a call and/or send an email. I'm unsure of snail-mail no-offers, but considering the comparative number of things that could go wrong with that, I doubt firms do things that way.

You're fine.

[Anonymous User]

Should I be scheduling 3L OCI interviews until I receive my offer in paper form or am I cool getting the offer over conversation from my hiring partner in final review?

[rpupkin]

Should I be scheduling 3L OCI interviews until I receive my offer in paper form or am I cool getting the offer over conversation from my hiring partner in final review?

You're cool.

[Anonymous User]

Winston 100% offer rate for their class

[Anonymous User]

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[North]

Winston 100% offer rate for their class

Did you get official info on this? I know my office was 100%, but I didn't hear anything about the overall class. If it was 100% overall, that's good to know.

Also, just as a general matter, can someone explain to me why Winston in particular gets so much hate on this forum. I know what happened in 2012 was not ideal, but there are many big firms that routinely cut large numbers of their summer classes every year. I'm just curious as to why Winston is always used as the example of a no-offer firm on this forum considering its now been 100% the last two years.

Because one year they overhired purely out of shitty planning and face fucked a bunch of fledgling careers. Ljl @ "not ideal." the koolaid must be tasting right over at Winston. Sorry bro your firm is scummy


Eta: Lol sweet ninja delete Winston bro

[cookiejar1]

tbf i think winston gets a disproportionate amount of hate these days

i see ppl screaming "FUCK WINSTON" every chance they get but nothing for latham and etc

[El Pollito]

tbf i think winston gets a disproportionate amount of hate these days

i see ppl screaming "FUCK WINSTON" every chance they get but nothing for latham and etc

Uhhh

[KD35]

tbf i think winston gets a disproportionate amount of hate these days

i see ppl screaming "FUCK WINSTON" every chance they get but nothing for latham and etc

Latham is still used as a verb here, I think Latham still receives criticism for their 2008-2009 decisions.

[El Pollito]

And people widely discuss lathams boom and bust model.

[Anonymous User]

Winston 100% offer rate for their class

Did you get official info on this? I know my office was 100%, but I didn't hear anything about the overall class. If it was 100% overall, that's good to know.

Also, just as a general matter, can someone explain to me why Winston in particular gets so much hate on this forum. I know what happened in 2012 was not ideal, but there are many big firms that routinely cut large numbers of their summer classes every year. I'm just curious as to why Winston is always used as the example of a no-offer firm on this forum considering its now been 100% the last two years.

Because one year they overhired purely out of shitty planning and face fucked a bunch of fledgling careers. Ljl @ "not ideal." the koolaid must be tasting right over at Winston. Sorry bro your firm is scummy


Eta: Lol sweet ninja delete Winston bro

That was obviously very shitty but it seems to have returned to being a 100% offer firm and didn't indicate a sign of shittiness to come so I'm not sure why it would be on the "Must Avoid" list?

[smaug]

Because there are firms that never did anything like that to begin with.

[North]

Because there are firms that never did anything like that to begin with.

Yup. Can't trust them with your career and 250k in debt unless it's literally the only biglaw option you have

Generally lol at "but some other firms are just as scummy" as some kind of reason for not shitting on firms like Winston

[goden]

I love when summers come out to defend their firms

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[Anonymous User]

I understand what people are saying about Winston but I honestly think that people's calculus is wrong. While what Winston did in 2012 was shitty, they also know that it has tremendously adversely affected their reputation with law students and are thus actually more likely than other firms to give 100% offers. See this story on their website from last year:

http://www.winston.com/en/careers-winst ... iates.html

All in all I think they're less likely to no offer people than the average firm, given their history. Other firms have made a practice of no offering 10-20% of their class consistently and don't get the flack that Winston does for 1 year.

[A. Nony Mouse]

What does that blurb on their website prove about anything? (TBF, I'm not commenting on the overall argument bc I don't know enough about firms - I just don't get how a promo blurb on the website should play into this.)

[Tiago Splitter]

Other firms have made a practice of no offering 10-20% of their class consistently and don't get the flack that Winston does for 1 year.

Which ones?

[Anonymous User]

What does that blurb on their website prove about anything?

It proves that they are trying to get the word out there that they are giving 100% offers. Obviously they could choose to not do the same in the future, but I think that it shows that it's a firm that at this point gets that hey you can't do what we did in 2012 and not have there be consequences to it. Thus, it's less likely to do it in the future.

[jbagelboy]

What are these "other firms" that no offer 10-20% of their class. Because tls probably shits on them too. Firms like skadden that no offer a handful for egregious behavior aren't hitting near the 10% line (more like 2-3% at most).

To the winston poster above who asked why his or her firm specifically takes hits here, a former mod and very popular poster who graduated from northwestern a few years ago was no offered at winston and has discussed it and the damage it did many times on here. So culturally it's imbedded in TLS lore even for people who don't know that poster. That doesn't make the flak any less deserved, though.

[A. Nony Mouse]

What does that blurb on their website prove about anything?

It proves that they are trying to get the word out there that they are giving 100% offers. Obviously they could choose to not do the same in the future, but I think that it shows that it's a firm that at this point gets that hey you can't do what we did in 2012 and not have there be consequences to it. Thus, it's less likely to do it in the future.

Yeah, I don't see at all how this controls what they do in the future. Damage control is just damage control.

[Anonymous User]

I don't think K&L Gates was criticized for the extent that they did it prior to this year. And obviously Winston isn't Skadden.

[Anonymous User]

What does that blurb on their website prove about anything?

It proves that they are trying to get the word out there that they are giving 100% offers. Obviously they could choose to not do the same in the future, but I think that it shows that it's a firm that at this point gets that hey you can't do what we did in 2012 and not have there be consequences to it. Thus, it's less likely to do it in the future.

Yeah, I don't see at all how this controls what they do in the future. Damage control is just damage control.

If they are now giving 100% offers as damage control it still means they're giving 100% offers.

[skers]

No-offering 1/3 of your summer class is pretty egregious, especially when you turn around and give out 1L SAs the next year.