Cornell Law JJF 2021 Forum

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jones day nyc ding

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I just recieved an email from Hunton, a firm where I did a screener, soliciting an identification of veteran/disability/ethnic diversity status. The only other time I have recieved similar emails to that one is where it was accompanied by an invitation to do a call back; this email had no such invitation. Did anybody get something similar, or know of the significance of this email?

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I just recieved an email from Hunton, a firm where I did a screener, soliciting an identification of veteran/disability/ethnic diversity status. The only other time I have recieved similar emails to that one is where it was accompanied by an invitation to do a call back; this email had no such invitation. Did anybody get something similar, or know of the significance of this email?

Maybe they are offering you a cb just the invite didn't reach you yet? Or - I had firms invite me to those the day before the screener interviews so maybe this firm just sends those out after screeners

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LInklaters ding burning my passport now

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Cleary + Cahill combo ding.
So what should I be doing now? emailing alumni? applying on firm websites? probably both and more, no?

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Not sure if this helps, but I received the same thing from Skadden last week, but still have not received a callback or a ding.

I just recieved an email from Hunton, a firm where I did a screener, soliciting an identification of veteran/disability/ethnic diversity status. The only other time I have recieved similar emails to that one is where it was accompanied by an invitation to do a call back; this email had no such invitation. Did anybody get something similar, or know of the significance of this email?

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Has anyone received offers yet?

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Reed Smith ding, like every woman I've ever loved.

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Has anyone received offers yet?

Offers at several firms, V50-v5, have gone out.

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Cahill offer this morning

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cahill cb ding, i must have done something wrong

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I just recieved an email from Hunton, a firm where I did a screener, soliciting an identification of veteran/disability/ethnic diversity status. The only other time I have recieved similar emails to that one is where it was accompanied by an invitation to do a call back; this email had no such invitation. Did anybody get something similar, or know of the significance of this email?

i got a similar one after i done callback with them, it's probably administration stuff, I won't read too much into it either way

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This process has really illuminated the differences between the school tiers in the T14

I can't stop crying reading this

Yeah, there's been a weird push in recent years where people just look at Big Law % when choosing schools and say that you should take the scholarship money over prestige.

But as this process is showing, not all big law firms are the same. And they certainly don't consider all the T14 schools the same. I can't help but wonder if I made a mistake in choosing $$$ over a better ranked school

Do you feel as if HLS/Columbia/NYU are faring substantially better?

...I mean they definitely are. They're having CBs with firms and just wondering if/when they'll hear back.

Here, we're not even getting past the screener phase.

That's not true. Lots of people are racking up CBs (see above in the thread: some had 9-11 CBs). There's just a lot of variation this year. Some people are cleaning up, while others are getting 1-3. Looks like the same thing is happening at CLS.

some offices like Skadden HK would not even collect resume from our school but they went to OCI at CLS and NYU

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This process has really illuminated the differences between the school tiers in the T14

I can't stop crying reading this

Yeah, there's been a weird push in recent years where people just look at Big Law % when choosing schools and say that you should take the scholarship money over prestige.

But as this process is showing, not all big law firms are the same. And they certainly don't consider all the T14 schools the same. I can't help but wonder if I made a mistake in choosing $$$ over a better ranked school

Do you feel as if HLS/Columbia/NYU are faring substantially better?

...I mean they definitely are. They're having CBs with firms and just wondering if/when they'll hear back.

Here, we're not even getting past the screener phase.

That's not true. Lots of people are racking up CBs (see above in the thread: some had 9-11 CBs). There's just a lot of variation this year. Some people are cleaning up, while others are getting 1-3. Looks like the same thing is happening at CLS.

some offices like Skadden HK would not even collect resume from our school but they went to OCI at CLS and NYU

Not to mention that the people with 9-11 CBs might actually be interviewing with less-selective firms than those students at CLS & NYU with 9-11 CBs....

Again, not all BigLaw firms are the same. And as I learned the hard way this year, they don't view the T14 schools the same. Not even remotely close

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I can't stop crying reading this

Yeah, there's been a weird push in recent years where people just look at Big Law % when choosing schools and say that you should take the scholarship money over prestige.

But as this process is showing, not all big law firms are the same. And they certainly don't consider all the T14 schools the same. I can't help but wonder if I made a mistake in choosing $$$ over a better ranked school

Do you feel as if HLS/Columbia/NYU are faring substantially better?

...I mean they definitely are. They're having CBs with firms and just wondering if/when they'll hear back.

Here, we're not even getting past the screener phase.

That's not true. Lots of people are racking up CBs (see above in the thread: some had 9-11 CBs). There's just a lot of variation this year. Some people are cleaning up, while others are getting 1-3. Looks like the same thing is happening at CLS.

some offices like Skadden HK would not even collect resume from our school but they went to OCI at CLS and NYU

Not to mention that the people with 9-11 CBs might actually be interviewing with less-selective firms than those students at CLS & NYU with 9-11 CBs....

Again, not all BigLaw firms are the same. And as I learned the hard way this year, they don't view the T14 schools the same. Not even remotely close

So much salt on this thread

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Cleary + Cahill combo ding.
So what should I be doing now? emailing alumni? applying on firm websites? probably both and more, no?

There’s more?

[Anonymous User]

Yeah, there's been a weird push in recent years where people just look at Big Law % when choosing schools and say that you should take the scholarship money over prestige.

But as this process is showing, not all big law firms are the same. And they certainly don't consider all the T14 schools the same. I can't help but wonder if I made a mistake in choosing $$$ over a better ranked school

Do you feel as if HLS/Columbia/NYU are faring substantially better?

...I mean they definitely are. They're having CBs with firms and just wondering if/when they'll hear back.

Here, we're not even getting past the screener phase.

That's not true. Lots of people are racking up CBs (see above in the thread: some had 9-11 CBs). There's just a lot of variation this year. Some people are cleaning up, while others are getting 1-3. Looks like the same thing is happening at CLS.

some offices like Skadden HK would not even collect resume from our school but they went to OCI at CLS and NYU

Not to mention that the people with 9-11 CBs might actually be interviewing with less-selective firms than those students at CLS & NYU with 9-11 CBs....

Again, not all BigLaw firms are the same. And as I learned the hard way this year, they don't view the T14 schools the same. Not even remotely close

So much salt on this thread

This doesn't change the fact that top students from the school are getting dinged all over.

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Do you feel as if HLS/Columbia/NYU are faring substantially better?

...I mean they definitely are. They're having CBs with firms and just wondering if/when they'll hear back.

Here, we're not even getting past the screener phase.

That's not true. Lots of people are racking up CBs (see above in the thread: some had 9-11 CBs). There's just a lot of variation this year. Some people are cleaning up, while others are getting 1-3. Looks like the same thing is happening at CLS.

some offices like Skadden HK would not even collect resume from our school but they went to OCI at CLS and NYU

Not to mention that the people with 9-11 CBs might actually be interviewing with less-selective firms than those students at CLS & NYU with 9-11 CBs....

Again, not all BigLaw firms are the same. And as I learned the hard way this year, they don't view the T14 schools the same. Not even remotely close

So much salt on this thread

This doesn't change the fact that top students from the school are getting dinged all over.

?? What did you expect when you chose a T14 school knowing that'll be weighed more than going to a non-T14 school? that suddenly all ranks disappear and all T14's were the same...? I thought this was obvious

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...I mean they definitely are. They're having CBs with firms and just wondering if/when they'll hear back.

Here, we're not even getting past the screener phase.

That's not true. Lots of people are racking up CBs (see above in the thread: some had 9-11 CBs). There's just a lot of variation this year. Some people are cleaning up, while others are getting 1-3. Looks like the same thing is happening at CLS.

some offices like Skadden HK would not even collect resume from our school but they went to OCI at CLS and NYU

Not to mention that the people with 9-11 CBs might actually be interviewing with less-selective firms than those students at CLS & NYU with 9-11 CBs....

Again, not all BigLaw firms are the same. And as I learned the hard way this year, they don't view the T14 schools the same. Not even remotely close

So much salt on this thread

This doesn't change the fact that top students from the school are getting dinged all over.

?? What did you expect when you chose a T14 school knowing that'll be weighed more than going to a non-T14 school? that suddenly all ranks disappear and all T14's were the same...? I thought this was obvious

Grabs popcorn

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I can't stop crying reading this

Yeah, there's been a weird push in recent years where people just look at Big Law % when choosing schools and say that you should take the scholarship money over prestige.

But as this process is showing, not all big law firms are the same. And they certainly don't consider all the T14 schools the same. I can't help but wonder if I made a mistake in choosing $$$ over a better ranked school

Do you feel as if HLS/Columbia/NYU are faring substantially better?

...I mean they definitely are. They're having CBs with firms and just wondering if/when they'll hear back.

Here, we're not even getting past the screener phase.

That's not true. Lots of people are racking up CBs (see above in the thread: some had 9-11 CBs). There's just a lot of variation this year. Some people are cleaning up, while others are getting 1-3. Looks like the same thing is happening at CLS.

some offices like Skadden HK would not even collect resume from our school but they went to OCI at CLS and NYU

Not to mention that the people with 9-11 CBs might actually be interviewing with less-selective firms than those students at CLS & NYU with 9-11 CBs....

Again, not all BigLaw firms are the same. And as I learned the hard way this year, they don't view the T14 schools the same. Not even remotely close

No one is arguing that all BigLaw firms are the same, nor is anyone arguing that they treat every t14 the same either. That's not the takeaway from this cycle, because it's the reality every cycle that students at those schools land more competitive firms with greater ease. The takeaway from this cycle is that a ton of students at all t14 schools and elsewhere seem to be underperforming their GPAs. You'll see several students on the NYU and CLS thread talking about this. I don't recall seeing students anywhere on that thread talking about their peers cleaning up 9-11 CBs with the country's most selective firms. I'm sure it's happened, just as I know some students here have performed well with selective firms, but it seems to be happening with a lot less frequency this year.

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I think a lot of people went to Cornell with the reasonable expectation that, assuming the economy didn’t tank and they performed somewhere around the median, some generic NYC BigLaw job would be relatively easy to get. For some of us (raises hand!) it was the best school we could get into. Others turned down higher ranking schools because generic NYC BigLaw was enough and they weren’t gunning for SCOTUS clerkships etc.

Obviously, one of the assumptions that guided that decision didn’t hold. The economy/hiring market isn’t what it was just a year ago.

I guess the point is that that just sucks and that the appropriate response to folks who have struck out is sympathy, not “Should have gone to Harvard, newb!”

I truly hope things work out for all of you.

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Do you feel as if HLS/Columbia/NYU are faring substantially better?

...I mean they definitely are. They're having CBs with firms and just wondering if/when they'll hear back.

Here, we're not even getting past the screener phase.

That's not true. Lots of people are racking up CBs (see above in the thread: some had 9-11 CBs). There's just a lot of variation this year. Some people are cleaning up, while others are getting 1-3. Looks like the same thing is happening at CLS.

some offices like Skadden HK would not even collect resume from our school but they went to OCI at CLS and NYU

Not to mention that the people with 9-11 CBs might actually be interviewing with less-selective firms than those students at CLS & NYU with 9-11 CBs....

Again, not all BigLaw firms are the same. And as I learned the hard way this year, they don't view the T14 schools the same. Not even remotely close

So much salt on this thread

This doesn't change the fact that top students from the school are getting dinged all over.

That's simply not true. I get why people are frustrated. This is a tough cycle. But it's just not true that top students from the school are getting dinged all over. A ton of these people actually entered OCI with several offers on hand. I suspect that this is the main reason why students here and all across the t14 are faring worse in OCI than expected.

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Cleary + Cahill combo ding.
So what should I be doing now? emailing alumni? applying on firm websites? probably both and more, no?

There’s more?

Go to NALP, get the recruiting contact for every firm in the NLJ 500 that you can see yourself at, and send the recruiting contacts an email with your resume, transcript, and whatever else you can include.

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...I mean they definitely are. They're having CBs with firms and just wondering if/when they'll hear back.

Here, we're not even getting past the screener phase.

That's not true. Lots of people are racking up CBs (see above in the thread: some had 9-11 CBs). There's just a lot of variation this year. Some people are cleaning up, while others are getting 1-3. Looks like the same thing is happening at CLS.

some offices like Skadden HK would not even collect resume from our school but they went to OCI at CLS and NYU

Not to mention that the people with 9-11 CBs might actually be interviewing with less-selective firms than those students at CLS & NYU with 9-11 CBs....

Again, not all BigLaw firms are the same. And as I learned the hard way this year, they don't view the T14 schools the same. Not even remotely close

So much salt on this thread

This doesn't change the fact that top students from the school are getting dinged all over.

That's simply not true. I get why people are frustrated. This is a tough cycle. But it's just not true that top students from the school are getting dinged all over. A ton of these people actually entered OCI with several offers on hand. I suspect that this is the main reason why students here and all across the t14 are faring worse in OCI than expected.

this cycle is especially tough also because of the crazy opaque pre-oci of the firms this year. I interviewed DPW callback in early November and I have it on good authority that DPW filled half of their summer class by late December (they even held a virtual gathering event for them). I think a lot of stuff are going on at the same time that just adds to the uncertainty of the process and anxiety of everyone. But what we can do now is try to turn callbacks into offers. No matter where you go, you will get paid the same.

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Career services should have been pushing pre-OCI much harder. Those of us who did it did it entirely on our own initiative. That was a major failing on their part.