NYC to 200k Forum

[OneTwoThreeFour]

I'll leave and you're right this is a biglaw thread and I shouldn't be here. Not a troll tho it's all here brian-boyle-omelveny-torture-attorney.blogspot.com I always wondered what biglaw was like and loooooved reading that last night and twice today. Biglawyers are the lowest.

Guarantee no firm would touch you because of this mis-guided self-righteousness, and now you're bitter.

And before you go making your straw man argument, no, I'm not saying biglaw is self-righteousness, just that you likely have little self-awareness. So take your easy-mac and go home. You sound like a child.

lol this sad dude works for a "plaintiff's class action" firm (spoiler alert: it's probably not Susman)

enjoy shitlaw and sorry about your OCI brah

[JohnnieSockran]

I'll leave and you're right this is a biglaw thread and I shouldn't be here. Not a troll tho it's all here brian-boyle-omelveny-torture-attorney.blogspot.com I always wondered what biglaw was like and loooooved reading that last night and twice today. Biglawyers are the lowest.

Guarantee no firm would touch you because of this mis-guided self-righteousness, and now you're bitter.

And before you go making your straw man argument, no, I'm not saying biglaw is self-righteousness, just that you likely have little self-awareness. So take your easy-mac and go home. You sound like a child.

lol this sad dude works for a "plaintiff's class action" firm (spoiler alert: it's probably not Susman)

enjoy shitlaw and sorry about your OCI brah

You think he went somewhere with OCI?

[lawposeidon]

lol this sad dude works for a "plaintiff's class action" firm (spoiler alert: it's probably not Susman)

enjoy shitlaw and sorry about your OCI brah

We've never litigated over feces, but you enjoy your torture, rape and chemical spill law!

Edit: We go against biglaw all the time. Forgot that.

[Anonymous User]

lol this sad dude works for a "plaintiff's class action" firm (spoiler alert: it's probably not Susman)

enjoy shitlaw and sorry about your OCI brah

We've never litigated over feces, but you enjoy your torture, rape and chemical spill law!

Edit: We go against biglaw all the time. Forgot that.

As entertaining as this is, can we get back to speculating about raises?

[rokiv]

Accidental anon post above

[Anonymous User]

As entertaining as this is, can we get back to speculating about raises?

My brave anonymous prediction: I think someone will beat by the end of the week.

[BlackAndOrange84]

I didn't always love the old posters here, but holy shit, this new batch is fucking awful. We need to get back to willing NYC to $200k.

[Anonymous User]

As the great Rubio said, let's dispel this fiction once and for all that V10 associates end up better off than the dude from Winston & Strawn. The V10 associate knows exactly that he will end up in the same place, with the same money, and the same respect, as the Winston & Strawn associate.

[Anonymous User]

As entertaining as this is, can we get back to speculating about raises?

My brave anonymous prediction: I think someone will beat by the end of the week.

From your lips to partners' ears.

[Anonymous User]

As entertaining as this is, can we get back to speculating about raises?

My brave anonymous prediction: I think someone will beat by the end of the week.

From your lips to partners' ears.

Whoever faked that STB powerpoint a couple years ago purporting to show raises to 190 should do it again (maybe with a different firm). There's a chance it would be too embarrassed to walk it back.


Edit: typos.

[Anonymous User]

Milbank to V10 unless someone beats 190k. Your move Weil

[TheoO]

Milbank to V10 unless someone beats 190k. Your move Weil

Weil beat it already. I mean, partnership in 7.5 year, marite?

[2013]

How many firms does everyone think will match this time around? 50?

[Anonymous User]

COME ON KIRKLAND LETS GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Anonymous User]

did Kirkland match or are you just saying that?

COME ON KIRKLAND LETS GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Anonymous User]

Milbank to V10 unless someone beats 190k. Your move Weil

Weil beat it already. I mean, partnership in 7.5 year, marite?

You can make partner at Milbank starting in year 8, I believe.

[Anonymous User]

did Kirkland match or are you just saying that?

COME ON KIRKLAND LETS GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As of 6:12 CT, Kirkland has not matched.

[Anonymous User]

Milbank to V10 unless someone beats 190k. Your move Weil

Weil beat it already. I mean, partnership in 7.5 year, marite?

You can make partner at Milbank starting in year 8, I believe.

Plethora of prestige doesn't have 6 months to spare

[yomisterd]

Guarantee no firm would touch you because of this mis-guided self-righteousness, and now you're bitter.

And before you go making your straw man argument, no, I'm not saying biglaw is self-righteousness, just that you likely have little self-awareness. So take your easy-mac and go home. You sound like a child.

You can have it! Gutter trash it up to your heart's desire.

some of us don’t have the luxury to pick and choose a job based on principles. furthermore you are gonna have a hard time in this world picking any job that doesn’t fuck over someone.

[Hutz_and_Goodman]

I feel like Milbank to 190k is an attempt to head off the market going to 200k. I predict that Cravath (or possibly Kirkland) goes over the top. It seems very unlikely that these firms are going to follow Milbank when they have been leading the market for years.

[Anonymous User]

I feel like Milbank to 190k is an attempt to head off the market going to 200k. I predict that Cravath (or possibly Kirkland) goes over the top. It seems very unlikely that these firms are going to follow Milbank when they have been leading the market for years.

I think it will be a lockstep firm. Kirkland already beats the market with bonuses. They don't have an incentive to do something others will match.

[OneTwoThreeFour]

I feel like Milbank to 190k is an attempt to head off the market going to 200k. I predict that Cravath (or possibly Kirkland) goes over the top. It seems very unlikely that these firms are going to follow Milbank when they have been leading the market for years.

I think it will be a lockstep firm. Kirkland already beats the market with bonuses. They don't have an incentive to do something others will match.

Agreed. DPW/Cravath/STB will hopefully raise the bar.

[Anonymous User]

did Kirkland match or are you just saying that?

COME ON KIRKLAND LETS GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm just gas peddling this. and i enjoyed how everyone is talking more about kirkland than actual Milbank. If there is any weird fetish on old school wall street firm, Milbank just delivered that.

[jbagelboy]

It's true toast. Kirkland's PPP is 4x a v50-100's because they get more profitable work. Part of the reason they get that is the partners, but another huge part is the associates. Why would Kirkland's partners make more than the v50-100's but not the associates? That would be like opening a michelin star restuarant and paying your junior cooks what a McDonalds EE makes. It's a complete ripoff.

This has been the sad truth of being a very good but not excellent/partnership-quality biglaw associate at a top firm from a top law school. You can go to a V5 rather than a V100, but what do you have to show for it at the end of the day other than "prestige." What about the thousands of extra hours of effort that you put in in high school/college (because, in all likelihood, you went to an Ivy), in law school (went to a T14), etc.? Exit ops, partnership prospects, etc. are not guaranteed and are highly dependent on being at the right place at the right time. At the end of the day, the Yale/Columbia Law top 20% associate at a V5 who does not make partner and goes in-house has, twelve years out of high school, not made a penny more than the Hofstra/GW top 40% lawyer who went to a V100 and does the same.

Let's keep out fingers crossed that this changes today.

You do have more job security, as your firm is usually less likely to run out of work and fire you, and if that happens, you can more easily lateral. Sometimes your cases are also marginally more interesting, since your billing rates are higher and so some of the more boring work doesn't justify using your firm.

But otherwise true.

The Yale/Columbia students at the top firms are far more likely to have the good exit options

So its an unserious hypothetical with broken cause/effect

[Micdiddy]

It's true toast. Kirkland's PPP is 4x a v50-100's because they get more profitable work. Part of the reason they get that is the partners, but another huge part is the associates. Why would Kirkland's partners make more than the v50-100's but not the associates? That would be like opening a michelin star restuarant and paying your junior cooks what a McDonalds EE makes. It's a complete ripoff.

This has been the sad truth of being a very good but not excellent/partnership-quality biglaw associate at a top firm from a top law school. You can go to a V5 rather than a V100, but what do you have to show for it at the end of the day other than "prestige." What about the thousands of extra hours of effort that you put in in high school/college (because, in all likelihood, you went to an Ivy), in law school (went to a T14), etc.? Exit ops, partnership prospects, etc. are not guaranteed and are highly dependent on being at the right place at the right time. At the end of the day, the Yale/Columbia Law top 20% associate at a V5 who does not make partner and goes in-house has, twelve years out of high school, not made a penny more than the Hofstra/GW top 40% lawyer who went to a V100 and does the same.

Let's keep out fingers crossed that this changes today.

You do have more job security, as your firm is usually less likely to run out of work and fire you, and if that happens, you can more easily lateral. Sometimes your cases are also marginally more interesting, since your billing rates are higher and so some of the more boring work doesn't justify using your firm.

But otherwise true.

The Yale/Columbia students at the top firms are far more likely to have the good exit options

So its an unserious hypothetical with broken cause/effect

And even if true why would you hope “this changes today”? Why not hope everyone gets raises?