HLS EIP 2016 Forum

[nobody17]

Hey TripTrip, I'm Class of 2018.

OK, so I haven't isolated the cause of the error but I did reproduce it. I have been able to fix it by going to the OCI list and clicking on the last page of firm results, then going back to Dope to CSM >> the firm again. I honestly don't know why that works, but I know now is not really the time anyone wants me to be fiddling with things behind the scenes.

Is it happening for you on every firm, or just some? If just some, which ones?

Sorry for the slow response. It happened for the ~5 firms I tried out after the first 2 (which worked). I had to leave after that, and just got back to working on entering my bid list into CSM right now. I got the 502 error as well and so have been entering bid entries through the workaround link you provided: I haven't hit any "class year not applicable" messages now. Thanks for all of your work with this!

[TripTrip]

Hey TripTrip, I'm Class of 2018.

OK, so I haven't isolated the cause of the error but I did reproduce it. I have been able to fix it by going to the OCI list and clicking on the last page of firm results, then going back to Dope to CSM >> the firm again. I honestly don't know why that works, but I know now is not really the time anyone wants me to be fiddling with things behind the scenes.

Is it happening for you on every firm, or just some? If just some, which ones?

Sorry for the slow response. It happened for the ~5 firms I tried out after the first 2 (which worked). I had to leave after that, and just got back to working on entering my bid list into CSM right now. I got the 502 error as well and so have been entering bid entries through the workaround link you provided: I haven't hit any "class year not applicable" messages now. Thanks for all of your work with this!

Glad it worked for you! We're working on a more permanent solution for next year. Apologies for the errors this time around.

[Anonymous User]

If anyone is willing to give last minute feedback on a bid list, whether firm choice or order, I'd greatly appreciate it. (I realize the list is a little on the light side).

4H. BSA, but I dunno what if anything that is worth. Interested in Boston lit -- preferably white collar, FCPA, FDC, and False claims work, but honestly more interested in location and lit in general. Tried to just bid firms in boston with lit practices, but I realize they won't all do what I want to do. I figure my numbers aren't great for DC, and I really don't know where I would even bid there if they were (advice appreciated). I do not want to live in NYC, so didn't see a point bidding there, asI don't feel like volunteering to move somewhere I don't like.

Am I risking striking out? Thanks again, all.


1 Jones Day Boston, MA
2 DLA Piper Boston, MA
3 K&L Gates Boston, MA
4 Choate, Hall & Stewart Boston, MA
5 Ropes & Gray Boston, MA
6 WilmerHale Boston, MA
7 Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom Boston, MA
8 Morgan, Lewis & Bockius Boston, MA
9 Goodwin Procter Boston, MA
10 foley hoag Boston, MA
11 Latham & Watkins Boston, MA
12 Brown Rudnick Boston, MA
13 Goulston & Storrs Boston, MA
14 Holland & Knight Boston, MA
15 Mintz, Levin, Cohn, Ferris, Glovsky and Popeo Boston, MA
16 Nutter, McClennen & Fish LLP Boston, MA
17 Sullivan & Worcester LLP Boston, MA

[leslieknope]

Anyone who bid a firm that doesn't do multiple interviews in two markets and told the interviewer in market X that they're also interested in market Y, can you PM me? Would love to know how well that that tends to work in actually landing callbacks at both markets, or if it's better to just pick the market you're most interested in and concentrate on that interview.

[leslieknope]

Anyone who bid a firm that doesn't do multiple interviews in two markets and told the interviewer in market X that they're also interested in market Y, can you PM me? Would love to know how well that that tends to work in actually landing callbacks at both markets, or if it's better to just pick the market you're most interested in and concentrate on that interview.

Also when you bid two offices of a no multiple interview firm and the system skips the second office, does that count as a round of a bid? E.g. say I bid Skadden Boston and Skadden NYC at 10 and 11 respectively and I get Skadden Boston, does that mean everyone else gets to pick at round 11 and I get skipped or does my 12th bid become my round 11 pick?

[TripTrip]

Anyone who bid a firm that doesn't do multiple interviews in two markets and told the interviewer in market X that they're also interested in market Y, can you PM me? Would love to know how well that that tends to work in actually landing callbacks at both markets, or if it's better to just pick the market you're most interested in and concentrate on that interview.

The thought process for some of the firms in the situation is more like, "We'd prefer not to have multiple of our own offices competing for the same candidate." It isn't ideal for you, but sometimes you'll have to pick one city of a firm to do a callback with at the exclusion of other geographic locations. That's not universal, but it happens. If you're interested in both markets, it may pay to do a little research on which market the firm needs more people vs has more candidates. For example, Winston does more screeners for NY because far more students apply there, but they actually need more summers at their larger Chicago office.

Of course, the opposite is true at other firms. It's kind of a question of how HR handles recruiting across offices. If you're interested in both markets, it doesn't hurt to mention it in the interview (they will probably ask anyway). But you may only get a callback from one of your preferences.

Also when you bid two offices of a no multiple interview firm and the system skips the second office, does that count as a round of a bid? E.g. say I bid Skadden Boston and Skadden NYC at 10 and 11 respectively and I get Skadden Boston, does that mean everyone else gets to pick at round 11 and I get skipped or does my 12th bid become my round 11 pick?

I honestly don't know the answer to this. I know it's similar to the questions about the bidding order on the previous page. I haven't looked at enough Symplicity documentation to know whether the system goes to the next bid if your bid is impossible or just goes to the next round. Based on what I know about Symplicity, my gut feeling is just that if bid #X is impossible, you're skipped for that round and you are on the same footing with everyone else for the next bid. But I don't have anything to base that on other than guesswork based on how they programed other parts of the platform and anecdotes from other schools.

[leslieknope]

I honestly don't know the answer to this. I know it's similar to the questions about the bidding order on the previous page. I haven't looked at enough Symplicity documentation to know whether the system goes to the next bid if your bid is impossible or just goes to the next round. Based on what I know about Symplicity, my gut feeling is just that if bid #X is impossible, you're skipped for that round and you are on the same footing with everyone else for the next bid. But I don't have anything to base that on other than guesswork based on how they programed other parts of the platform and anecdotes from other schools.

That's what I get for asking before checking: OCS has the answer to this.

"Every student starts with 35 bids. If you use your 10th bid on the New York office of Allen & Overy, a firm that does not allow multiple interviews, you will have used one of your 35 bids. If you then use your 11th bid on the Washington, DC office of Allen & Overy, you will find that your total available bids has risen to 36. If your Allen & Overy NY bid results in an interview, your Allen & Overy DC bid will be ignored and your 12th bid will become your 11th bid. Alternatively, if there are no interview slots available with Allen & Overy NY when your 10th bid is selected by lottery, your 11th bid (Allen & Overy DC) will take the place of your 10th bid (Allen & Overy NY). All remaining bids (12 to 36) will consolidate down (12 becomes 11, 13 becomes 12, etc.)."

So it seems like there's an incentive to bid multiple offices?

[TripTrip]

I honestly don't know the answer to this. I know it's similar to the questions about the bidding order on the previous page. I haven't looked at enough Symplicity documentation to know whether the system goes to the next bid if your bid is impossible or just goes to the next round. Based on what I know about Symplicity, my gut feeling is just that if bid #X is impossible, you're skipped for that round and you are on the same footing with everyone else for the next bid. But I don't have anything to base that on other than guesswork based on how they programed other parts of the platform and anecdotes from other schools.

That's what I get for asking before checking: OCS has the answer to this.

"Every student starts with 35 bids. If you use your 10th bid on the New York office of Allen & Overy, a firm that does not allow multiple interviews, you will have used one of your 35 bids. If you then use your 11th bid on the Washington, DC office of Allen & Overy, you will find that your total available bids has risen to 36. If your Allen & Overy NY bid results in an interview, your Allen & Overy DC bid will be ignored and your 12th bid will become your 11th bid. Alternatively, if there are no interview slots available with Allen & Overy NY when your 10th bid is selected by lottery, your 11th bid (Allen & Overy DC) will take the place of your 10th bid (Allen & Overy NY). All remaining bids (12 to 36) will consolidate down (12 becomes 11, 13 becomes 12, etc.)."

So it seems like there's an incentive to bid multiple offices?

Huh, yeah I guess so.

It sounds weird, but it does make sense since that's more or less the same end result as bidding on a firm that only has one interview pool.

[Joscellin]

So it seems like there's an incentive to bid multiple offices?

My only concern would be undermining your answer to the 'why this city/office' question, especially if firms can see that you bid multiple offices?

[TripTrip]

So it seems like there's an incentive to bid multiple offices?

My only concern would be undermining your answer to the 'why this city/office' question, especially if firms can see that you bid multiple offices?

They won't be able to see that you bid other offices. That one I do know.

[Joscellin]

So it seems like there's an incentive to bid multiple offices?

My only concern would be undermining your answer to the 'why this city/office' question, especially if firms can see that you bid multiple offices?

They won't be able to see that you bid other offices. That one I do know.

That's good to know, I must have glossed over that somewhere.

[Indifference]

Trip, any workaround to see bid/offer ratios? Getting a timeout.

[4for44]

If anyone is willing to give last minute feedback on a bid list, whether firm choice or order, I'd greatly appreciate it. (I realize the list is a little on the light side).

4H. BSA, but I dunno what if anything that is worth. Interested in Boston lit -- preferably white collar, FCPA, FDC, and False claims work, but honestly more interested in location and lit in general. Tried to just bid firms in boston with lit practices, but I realize they won't all do what I want to do. I figure my numbers aren't great for DC, and I really don't know where I would even bid there if they were (advice appreciated). I do not want to live in NYC, so didn't see a point bidding there, asI don't feel like volunteering to move somewhere I don't like.

Am I risking striking out? Thanks again, all.


1 Jones Day Boston, MA
2 DLA Piper Boston, MA
3 K&L Gates Boston, MA
4 Choate, Hall & Stewart Boston, MA
5 Ropes & Gray Boston, MA
6 WilmerHale Boston, MA
7 Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom Boston, MA
8 Morgan, Lewis & Bockius Boston, MA
9 Goodwin Procter Boston, MA
10 Foley Hoag Boston, MA
11 Latham & Watkins Boston, MA
12 Brown Rudnick Boston, MA
13 Goulston & Storrs Boston, MA
14 Holland & Knight Boston, MA
15 Mintz, Levin, Cohn, Ferris, Glovsky and Popeo Boston, MA
16 Nutter, McClennen & Fish LLP Boston, MA
17 Sullivan & Worcester LLP Boston, MA

Don't self-select out of DC if you would prefer going there over some of these firms. You'll definitely be out of running at W&C, Gibson, and probably Wilmer and Covington. You'll have a shot at most other DC firms with 4 H's. Definitely no guarantee, but I've seen 3 Hs get A&P and Hogan. I'd say for the type of work you are talking about, bidding A&P, Hogan, Kirkland, MoFo, and Paul Weiss DC would not be wasted. And it doesn't hurt to try Covington and Gibson. I avoided listing firms on your list already with DC and Boston offices, because you said you prefer Boston.

As for any BSA bump, there were definitely HLS alum interviewers that knew about BSA and took it as a positive in our conversations. Don't know if it will add H's to your resume, but from what I've seen/ heard neither does HLR. I'd say it'll be seen as a big positive for those that know about it, and completely ignored by those that don't. Grades/ Fit always will carry the day, but being a BSA can signal fit pretty well.

[TripTrip]

Trip, any workaround to see bid/offer ratios? Getting a timeout.

I know the initial bidding period is over, but are you still getting a timeout? I think the outage was limited to last night.

[Indifference]

Trip, any workaround to see bid/offer ratios? Getting a timeout.

I know the initial bidding period is over, but are you still getting a timeout? I think the outage was limited to last night.

Nope, it's all fine now. Was just the rush, I'm sure, with everyone clamoring to get their bids in.

[leslieknope]

Thoughts on using a leather folio with the old shield on it for interviews? I was all for changing the shield but am also broke, so. Cough it up for a new one?

[TripTrip]

Thoughts on using a leather folio with the old shield on it for interviews? I was my for changing the shield but am also broke, so. Cough it up for a new one?

No one will notice or care. Don't fret it.

[Anonymous User]

I have 1H, 9P and am targeting 2 markets (NYC and one other major market). I have 20 interviews. Do you think it would be prudent to add more?

[nothingtosee]

I have 1H, 9P and am targeting 2 markets (NYC and one other major market). I have 20 interviews. Do you think it would be prudent to add more?

Yeah

[Anonymous User]

Is there a specific procedure for asking EIP-attending firms for interviews outside the ones assigned by OCS?*

*Probably asked and answered somewhere on this forum, but likely of general interest to 2Ls like yours truly currently reading this thread

[Anonymous User]

Was SF unusually competitive this year or something? I didn't get interviews with 4 firms I ranked in my top 10, even though those firms usually have a 60%-80% bid to interview ratios.

[Anonymous User]

I have 1H, 9P and am targeting 2 markets (NYC and one other major market). I have 20 interviews. Do you think it would be prudent to add more?

Yeah

thanks! follow up q, if i literally see no clickable links to add in csm, am i doing something wrong or are there really no open slots? i cant seem to add any firms, even ones that show that there are 2l slots left?

[wwwcol]

Is there a specific procedure for asking EIP-attending firms for interviews outside the ones assigned by OCS?*

*Probably asked and answered somewhere on this forum, but likely of general interest to 2Ls like yours truly currently reading this thread

Email the recruiter for the office in which you're interested (should be on the firm's website), say you missed on your bid, but you're very intersted and would love the chance to meet w a lawyer during EIP (if you say "glad to meet before/after official hours" almost everyone will find a way to fit you in)

[Anonymous User]

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[Hat Trick]

Does anybody know what an average number of interviews is for someone who bid on 35 firms?

Specifically, I have 1 DS, 2 Hs, and 7Ps. I have 25 interviews, 20 with D.C. firms and 5 with N.Y. firms. Should I be looking to add a few more?