HLS EIP 2014 Forum

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[Anonymous User]

how popular are the three boston (ropes, wilmer, goodwin) firms? Is it possible to get them as low as in mid 20s?

[Anonymous User]

Assuming you've ranked according to slot #s, looks like a healthy mix of targets and reaches on the LA front BosToLa. Don't expect 100% CBs (3Hs are borderline for a number of firms), but you should just do fine!

[Anonymous User]

I’m trying to figure out how to bid in the DC market given my grades (2DS, 6Hs, 2Ps) and ties (lived in the DMV for about a decade beginning with college - not K-JD). What would be a safe minimum number of bids, and realistically how many of those can be selective (like Williams & Connolly, Covington, etc.)?

Thanks for any advice!

[Anonymous User]

Your grades shouldn't disqualify you from any firm in DC. Not saying that W&C, Covington, etc. are going to be "safeties" by any means, but you're in a position where you should do your bids based entirely on the likelihood of getting interviews and where you'd like to work.

[Person1111]

Assuming you've ranked according to slot #s, looks like a healthy mix of targets and reaches on the LA front BosToLa. Don't expect 100% CBs (3Hs are borderline for a number of firms), but you should just do fine!

I agree with this. Munger is going to be a gigantic longshot with those grades (I think you have close to 0% chance of a CB), but you have it low enough that it shouldn't really matter. I worked in LA (and am going back after a clerkship), so you should PM me if you want more specific thoughts about firms.

(previous anon post was me too - sorry!)

[Anonymous User]

Off the top of you guys' heads, do any firms come to mind that need to be bid 1/2 in order to get an interview? Markets I'm looking at are NYC and DC.

[Anonymous User]

hey guys, just wanna get some last minute feedback on my ranked bidlist. 2H/8P, all NY, litigation focused

Debevoise & Plimpton 
Goodwin Procter 
Jenner & Block 
Covington & Burling LLP 
Proskauer Rose 
O'Melveny & Myers 
Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison 
Morrison & Foerster 
paul hastings llp 
Jones Day 
Shearman & Sterling 
Weil Gotshal & Manges 
DLA Piper 
hogan lovells
Schulte Roth & Zabel
Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld 
Dechert 
sidley austin llp 
mayer brown llp 
Willkie Farr & Gallagher LLP 
Hughes Hubbard & Reed 
Orrick Herrington & Sutcliffe LLP 
freshfields bruckhaus deringer 
Chadbourne & Parke LLP 
Kramer, Levin, Naftalis & Frankel 
Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom 
Fried Frank Harris Shriver & Jacobson 
Cahill Gordon & Reindel 
Milbank, Tweed, Hadley & McCloy 
Simpson Thacher & Bartlett
Cleary, Gottlieb, Steen & Hamilton
Kaye Scholer 
White & Case

anybody i'm clearly going to miss out on? Cleary and STB are so low just b/c they have so many interview spots, but should i move them up? who do people put on the bottom?

[Anonymous User]

how popular are the three boston (ropes, wilmer, goodwin) firms? Is it possible to get them as low as in mid 20s?

They all get around 80-90 bids, and allow the same number of interviews. Goodwin (or Foley?) gets around 80 and has around 75. So yeah, it's not much of a risk putting them around that low. But I didn't want to put them too low because the bid to offer rate is so good. Plus, there are only 32 Boston firms total, so putting them below that would be a mistake probably.

I'm probably gonna compare to 2010-2012 data to see which firms are consistent over time. I also put the totally new firms at the bottom, because they are so unpredictable.

For me, I'm guessing my LA/OC targets are OMM, Proskauer, Sidley Austin, Jenner, Latham, etc. In Boston, I think all four of those firms are targets.

BosToLA

[Anonymous User]

Any ideas on how many H's one needs to not be wasting a bid on Wachtell?

[Person1111]

I think it's not a waste with 6 or 7 H's if you have finance experience, HLR, an otherwise elite pedigree, and/or if you interview extremely well. If you don't, I think it's a waste with less than 8 H's. Full disclosure: this is all speculation based on talking to people who got CBs/offers there.

[wert3813]

Any ideas on how many H's one needs to not be wasting a bid on Wachtell?

If I had 5 H's and wanted NYC I would bid Wachtell. I'm sure someone will come here and promptly state that there is no way to get Wachtell with 5 H's, but my thought process is that with 5 H's it's highly unlikely you have 35 bids and you are going to get a great job and, most importantly if you don't it wasn't because you reached with one bid for Wachtell. Don't ding yourself.

[Anonymous User]

For what it's worth: 5H/5P, going all-in NY. Plan on bidding Wachtell because why not?

[Anonymous User]

Would anyone be willing to give me some feedback on my ranked bidlist? 4H/6P, URM, undergrad and 1L summer in LA

MoFo
Greenberg Glusker
Paul Hastings
Gibson (LA)
Akin Gump
Arnold & Porter
K&L Gates
Sidley Austin
O’Melveny (LA)
Latham (LA)
Pillsbury Winthrop Shaw Pittman
Jones Day
WilmerHale
Sheppard Mullin (LA)
Perkins Coie
Foley & Lardner
O’Melveny & Meyers (Century City)
Alston & Bird
Greenberg Traurig
Gibson (LA/OC)
Latham (OC)
Irell (Century City)
Irell (OC)
Sheppard Mullin (Century City)
Milbank, Tweed
Proskauer
Skadden
MTO
Simpson Thacher
Holland & Knight
Baker & Hostetler
hogan lovells
DLA Piper
Nixon Peabody

[Anonymous User]

How's this bid list look to you guys? African-American, strong interviewer, 1H/9P, significant amount of corporate WE, targeting NYC/BOS

Thanks!

Paul Hastings
Mintz Boston, MA
Cooley Boston, MA
O'Melveny & Myers
White & Case
Shearman & Sterling
Morrison & Foerster
Jones Day Boston, MA
Ropes & Gray Boston, MA
Proskauer Rose
Bingham McCutchen Boston, MA
Sidley Austin
Cahill Gordon
Weil, Gotshal & Manges Boston, MA
Kirkland & Ellis
Proskauer Rose Boston, MA
foley hoag Boston, MA
Davis Polk & Wardwell
Latham & Watkins
Debevoise & Plimpton
Fish & Richardson P.C. Boston, MA
Goodwin Procter Boston, MA
Cleary Gottlieb
Choate Hall & Stewart Boston, MA
Milbank, Tweed, Hadley & McCloy
WilmerHale Boston, MA
Willkie Farr & Gallagher
Fried, Frank, Harris, Shriver & Jacobson
Skadden
Paul Weiss
Weil, Gotshal & Manges
Schulte Roth & Zabel
Simpson Thacher & Bartlett
Chadbourne & Parke
Cadwalader

[Anonymous User]

Bingham McCutchen Boston, MA

Fellow 2l so I don't have any special insight on the ordering/firms you've picked but given how high you've bid Bingham I wanted to at least point out this recent Above the Law story about them. There was also a post that went up tonight on Hire Ground suggesting they will be underbid.

Ordinary disclaimer about use your own judgment applies.

http://abovethelaw.com/2014/07/is-bingh ... -to-merge/

[lameslice57]

Would anyone be willing to give me some feedback on my ranked bidlist? 4H/6P, URM, undergrad and 1L summer in LA

I think you're probably selling yourself a little bit short with this bid list. I'm assuming the ones with no parenthetical are NYC offices. URM + 4 Hs should be competitive for Cleary, Davis Polk, Weil, Paul Weiss, Debevoise, Cravath (a little reachy but I know at least one person who got Cravath with your grades and she wasn't URM). I'd add some of those firms and take out some mix of Foley, K&L Gates, Perkins Coie, Holland & Knight, Baker & Hostetler, and Nixon Peabody.

Also, the ordering of your bidlist looks slightly off. You should be ordering your bids using the EIP spreadsheet from last year and dividing interviews granted/bids and bidding in descending order.

[Anonymous User]

Would anyone be willing to give me some feedback on my ranked bidlist? 4H/6P, URM, undergrad and 1L summer in LA

I think you're probably selling yourself a little bit short with this bid list. I'm assuming the ones with no parenthetical are NYC offices. URM + 4 Hs should be competitive for Cleary, Davis Polk, Weil, Paul Weiss, Debevoise, Cravath (a little reachy but I know at least one person who got Cravath with your grades and she wasn't URM). I'd add some of those firms and take out some mix of Foley, K&L Gates, Perkins Coie, Holland & Knight, Baker & Hostetler, and Nixon Peabody.

Also, the ordering of your bidlist looks slightly off. You should be ordering your bids using the EIP spreadsheet from last year and dividing interviews granted/bids and bidding in descending order.

Not OP.

It's an all LA list, the OP just put parentheses for firms with offices in multiple locations around SoCal.

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[Anonymous User]

Hi all, I know this is pretty late, but if anyone has critiques for my bid list, I would really appreciate it. I have 2 Hs, business background (mostly tax, accounting, and startups), bidding only NYC, worked at a small boutique IP Litigation firm 1L summer, leadership (or higher than average) role in three on-campus organizations (including one journal).

Thank you!

DLA Piper
sidley austin llp
freshfields bruckhaus deringer
Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom
Milbank, Tweed, Hadley & McCloy
Simpson Thacher & Bartlett
Goodwin Procter
WilmerHale
Morrison & Foerster
Shearman & Sterling
White & Case
Weil Gotshal & Manges
Cleary, Gottlieb, Steen & Hamilton
Davis Polk & Wardwell LLP
Cravath, Swaine & Moore
Ropes & Gray
Jones Day
Clifford Chance
Latham & Watkins
Schulte Roth & Zabel
Cahill Gordon & Reindel
Debevoise & Plimpton
Allen & Overy
WilmerHale Corporate
Willkie Farr & Gallagher LLP
McKinsey & Company
Cadwalader, Wickersham & Taft
Wilson, Sonsini, Goodrich & Rosati
Pillsbury Winthrop Shaw Pittman
Winston & Strawn LLP
Proskauer Rose
Chadbourne & Parke LLP
Fried Frank Harris Shriver & Jacobson
Stroock & Stroock & Lavan
Kaye Scholer

[Anonymous User]

Do not go to Fitzpatrick, Cella. The firm is a train wreck. They are on the verge of losing key clients like Gilead to firms like Wilmer Hale. It is no secret that the FCHS's finances are down; probably best reflected in the fact that a large percentage of this year's summer associate class was no offered.

[Anonymous User]

For firms we were really excited about, but where we did not get screeners, how soon should we think about sending an application outside of EIP? Would it be best to wait until after the add/drop period is over since we might end up with screeners anyway, or best to get the resume in sooner?

[Anonymous User]

For firms we were really excited about, but where we did not get screeners, how soon should we think about sending an application outside of EIP? Would it be best to wait until after the add/drop period is over since we might end up with screeners anyway, or best to get the resume in sooner?

No reason not to send a resume now AND ALSO go to the hospitality suite.

[CicerBRo]

During EIP, when asked what practice area I am interested in, is there any disadvantage to saying "I am committed to litigation?" (This might be a stupid question.) Are there any firms who would resent it if I put myself in a "litigation" box?