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[First Offense]

Come on guys. Outing doesn't do anything but move more no offers to being cold offers which is, at best, marginally helpful, and at worst, continues this pattern of people thinking they're at a 100% firm until the surprise "welcome to Greenland" phone call.

A Cold offer is markedly better than a no offer. When a cold offer happens and you're interviewing with another firm, you can spin the "Yeah, I got an offer but I'm looking for a firm that has a better fit for me (be it practice group, personality, assignment, whatever)". A no offer doesn't allow you that leeway.

[J9ofDiamonds]

Come on guys. Outing doesn't do anything but move more no offers to being cold offers which is, at best, marginally helpful, and at worst, continues this pattern of people thinking they're at a 100% firm until the surprise "welcome to Greenland" phone call.

A Cold offer is markedly better than a no offer. When a cold offer happens and you're interviewing with another firm, you can spin the "Yeah, I got an offer but I'm looking for a firm that has a better fit for me (be it practice group, personality, assignment, whatever)". A no offer doesn't allow you that leeway.

You can also accept a cold offer and there is a decent chance they won't even remember or that you end up in a group where none of the partners have a clue you got cold offered. I'd rather hear about 5 friends getting cold offers than 1 getting a no no

[wons]

Come on guys. Outing doesn't do anything but move more no offers to being cold offers which is, at best, marginally helpful, and at worst, continues this pattern of people thinking they're at a 100% firm until the surprise "welcome to Greenland" phone call.

A Cold offer is markedly better than a no offer. When a cold offer happens and you're interviewing with another firm, you can spin the "Yeah, I got an offer but I'm looking for a firm that has a better fit for me (be it practice group, personality, assignment, whatever)". A no offer doesn't allow you that leeway.

You can also accept a cold offer and there is a decent chance they won't even remember or that you end up in a group where none of the partners have a clue you got cold offered. I'd rather hear about 5 friends getting cold offers than 1 getting a no no

This is perhaps the stupidest thing I've ever read on this site. Trust me, everyone will know you are cold offered, and you will be pushed out in a year or less. That might be "better" than a no offer in some technical sense, but it's still a career-threatening disaster. The cold offer rate is decidedly non-zero, and my friends who got them never really got back on their feet.

Put differently, if you are 3L interviewing after your summer at [insert firm here], and you say you got an offer but that [firm] wasn't a good fit for you personally, it's not like the other firms you're interviewing with are fooled.

[BaberhamLincoln]

^ unnecessary anon

[El Pollito]

also i've heard of people accepting cold offers and things being just fine. not ideal, but still better than a no offer. and it's not impossible to lateral as a first year (assuming non-lit).

[spyke123]

Come on guys. Outing doesn't do anything but move more no offers to being cold offers which is, at best, marginally helpful, and at worst, continues this pattern of people thinking they're at a 100% firm until the surprise "welcome to Greenland" phone call.

A Cold offer is markedly better than a no offer. When a cold offer happens and you're interviewing with another firm, you can spin the "Yeah, I got an offer but I'm looking for a firm that has a better fit for me (be it practice group, personality, assignment, whatever)". A no offer doesn't allow you that leeway.

You can also accept a cold offer and there is a decent chance they won't even remember or that you end up in a group where none of the partners have a clue you got cold offered. I'd rather hear about 5 friends getting cold offers than 1 getting a no no

This is perhaps the stupidest thing I've ever read on this site. Trust me, everyone will know you are cold offered, and you will be pushed out in a year or less. That might be "better" than a no offer in some technical sense, but it's still a career-threatening disaster. The cold offer rate is decidedly non-zero, and my friends who got them never really got back on their feet.

Put differently, if you are 3L interviewing after your summer at [insert firm here], and you say you got an offer but that [firm] wasn't a good fit for you personally, it's not like the other firms you're interviewing with are fooled.

what?... there seems to be a good amount of 3L hiring.. i dont see how firms can distinguish those who got cold offers from those with actual offers..

[Anonymous User]

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[North]

Okay but for real though, fuck this wait

[Anonymous User]

Been a while, but Sidley LA was 100% offer, including the 1L. The offer came directly from Carter Phillips (which was pretty cool) on Monday, 4 days before most people left and 2-3 weeks before Stanford did.

[jbagelboy]

Come on guys. Outing doesn't do anything but move more no offers to being cold offers which is, at best, marginally helpful, and at worst, continues this pattern of people thinking they're at a 100% firm until the surprise "welcome to Greenland" phone call.

A Cold offer is markedly better than a no offer. When a cold offer happens and you're interviewing with another firm, you can spin the "Yeah, I got an offer but I'm looking for a firm that has a better fit for me (be it practice group, personality, assignment, whatever)". A no offer doesn't allow you that leeway.

You can also accept a cold offer and there is a decent chance they won't even remember or that you end up in a group where none of the partners have a clue you got cold offered. I'd rather hear about 5 friends getting cold offers than 1 getting a no no

This is perhaps the stupidest thing I've ever read on this site. Trust me, everyone will know you are cold offered, and you will be pushed out in a year or less. That might be "better" than a no offer in some technical sense, but it's still a career-threatening disaster. The cold offer rate is decidedly non-zero, and my friends who got them never really got back on their feet.

Put differently, if you are 3L interviewing after your summer at [insert firm here], and you say you got an offer but that [firm] wasn't a good fit for you personally, it's not like the other firms you're interviewing with are fooled.

what?... there seems to be a good amount of 3L hiring.. i dont see how firms can distinguish those who got cold offers from those with actual offers..

I hate acknowledging that shit like this happens, but it probably isn't that hard to tell when someone is trying to "trade up" (e.g. a fried frank summer w/ offer interviewing at simpson) versus being cold offering and interviewing wherever you have a shot. No offense to anyone at either of those great firms, there are just some people who do this.

[trebekismyhero]

Not debating the merits of cold offers vs. no offer, though a cold offer is by it's nature at least marginally better.

But outing firms definitely does make a difference. Firms don't want to take the PR hit. If you get no offered, you should definitely out the firm and office and shame them.

[DJ JD]

Are people particularly interested in outing firms with significant no-offer rates, or any firm that no offers a summer at all. Because if it's the latter, it's not at all inconceivable or objectively irrational that a firm with a class of more than 20 people won't find 1 person they don't like.

[Anonymous User]

this should come as no surprise at this point, but K&L Gates issued multiple no-offers to SAs in its Pittsburgh office. i'm alerting every 2L I know to stay away.

[adam91]

Do most firms give out the offers during last week/day or do most have a 1-2 week wait time?

[First Offense]

Do most firms give out the offers during last week/day or do most have a 1-2 week wait time?

It just depends on the firm. I'd imagine NY has the fastest turnaround in average, though.

[Anonymous User]

Do people not check the NALP SA offer data?

I went to an office of a top firm that no-offers a handful of people every year, and they no-offered a few people again this year. This wasn't a mystery, though. Everyone knew that coming in. Law students still have imperfect information in lots of areas when selecting firms, but this really isn't one of them.

NALP tells us that K&L Gates Pitt, to pick an example being discussed in this topic, no-offered 4 2014 SAs in a 21 person class. These things usually aren't unknown, and "outing" firms here seems a bit odd when it's normally published.

[03152016]

when does the latest info get published on nalp tho?

i'd find it incredibly useful to know if, say, a traditional 100% offer firm has multiple no-offers in a certain office this summer

[Anonymous User]

Perkins chi 100% offer and treated SAs very well

[PvblivsScipio]

Been a while, but Sidley LA was 100% offer, including the 1L. The offer came directly from Carter Phillips (which was pretty cool) on Monday, 4 days before most people left and 2-3 weeks before Stanford did.

Cool story bro.

[lhanvt13]

Been a while, but Sidley LA was 100% offer, including the 1L. The offer came directly from Carter Phillips (which was pretty cool) on Monday, 4 days before most people left and 2-3 weeks before Stanford did.

Cool story bro.

PDF signature tool is one hell of a technology

[Anonymous User]

Been a while, but Sidley LA was 100% offer, including the 1L. The offer came directly from Carter Phillips (which was pretty cool) on Monday, 4 days before most people left and 2-3 weeks before Stanford did.

Cool story bro.

PDF signature tool is one hell of a technology

OP Anon: In person. Doesn't change the offer at all, just thought it was a nice touch.

[Rahviveh]

lol at name dropping some boomer lit partner like he's a celebrity

[BigZuck]

I don't know who Carter Phillips is

[BaberhamLincoln]

I don't know who Carter Phillips is

Boy band member who won American idol


No wait...

[First Offense]

lol at name dropping some boomer lit partner like he's a celebrity

Just looked him up. Gotta say - 80 cases argued in front of SCOTUS is pretty impressive.

Still - no one would know who he is. I can think of maybe a half-dozen names of lawyers in private practice that would have any real recognition outside of their little sphere.