Summer Internships and Corona Forum

[LBJ's Hair]

Just a quick question but what is the best way to show a cancelled SA position on a resume? (I'm still getting paid, reduced and no offer) But should I even put it on there?

List it like you would any other job, but instead of a description of your activities put something to the effect of "Summer program canceled X/X/2020 due to coronavirus."

[crazywafflez]

Awesome, thank you

[Anonymous User]

Update from JD: “Jones Day plans to extend offers at the end of the program to qualifying participants, as it does annually.”

[Anonymous User]

Update from JD: “Jones Day plans to extend offers at the end of the program to qualifying participants, as it does annually.”

Was this message sent in a large blast, or individually?

[Anonymous User]

Update from JD: “Jones Day plans to extend offers at the end of the program to qualifying participants, as it does annually.”

Was this message sent in a large blast, or individually?

My specific office sent us that. It's also referenced here: https://www.law360.com/legalindustry/ar ... d-covid-19

[LBJ's Hair]

Update from JD: “Jones Day plans to extend offers at the end of the program to qualifying participants, as it does annually.”

Sounds like not everyone is getting offers?

[Anonymous User]

Update from JD: “Jones Day plans to extend offers at the end of the program to qualifying participants, as it does annually.”

Sounds like not everyone is getting offers?

JD SA anon: This is obviously pure speculation, but I imagine that the vast majority (98 or 99 percent) will receive offers. It seems like quite a few firms (e.g., Simpson Thacher, Paul Hastings, WilmerHale, etc.) have included some sort of qualifier with regard to whether offers will be extended, so I imagine that JD is just doing the same.

[Anonymous User]

Question about attire: my firm sent us an email that essentially said that there's no need to wear a suit unless we're going to be in a client meeting and that "nice casual" is fine. The firm explicitly said no t-shirts, but can I wear like short-sleeve button down shirts or is that too casual?

[The Lsat Airbender]

Question about attire: my firm sent us an email that essentially said that there's no need to wear a suit unless we're going to be in a client meeting and that "nice casual" is fine. The firm explicitly said no t-shirts, but can I wear like short-sleeve button down shirts or is that too casual?

You shouldn't have short-sleeve button-downs in your wardrobe anyway. Ugh.

Only half-serious. I would stick with full shirts (casual button-down is fine ofc) and then move into short sleeves, polos, rolled-up sleeves after getting comfortable.

[RaceJudicata]

Question about attire: my firm sent us an email that essentially said that there's no need to wear a suit unless we're going to be in a client meeting and that "nice casual" is fine. The firm explicitly said no t-shirts, but can I wear like short-sleeve button down shirts or is that too casual?

That’s brutal. In the zoom meetings I’ve been in almost everyone has been wearing t shirts (And plenty of people clearly wearing the clothes they slept in). Very few button downs.

Even the handful of client video calls I’ve been on (most of these still tend to be traditional calls), most people are wearing t shirts or a polo at most.

[DiligentSage]

Question about attire: my firm sent us an email that essentially said that there's no need to wear a suit unless we're going to be in a client meeting and that "nice casual" is fine. The firm explicitly said no t-shirts, but can I wear like short-sleeve button down shirts or is that too casual?

Depends a lot on what your peers are wearing (which as per the above and I can concur: is usually T-shirts and hoodies). I'd always err toward being overdressed and wouldn't ever put on a T-shirt as a SA but if everyone else is in a T-shirt, then feel free to wear a polo or a short-sleeve button down. You just don't want to be in a situation in which you're dressing down and you have that one senior associate and/or partner who dresses at home like they're going to the office and will take your attire way too seriously.

[Anonymous User]

If a firm hasn't guaranteed offers at this point, do you think they'll still probably offer everyone?
SA at JD and getting rather nervous, especially with the current state of the economy. In 2009, JD only offered 77% of its summer class.

I doubt JD will ever guarantee 100% offers, but I don't think the offer rate will significantly change this year. There are usually a few no-offers every year, but the ones I've seen while at the firm have been justified (extreme behavior/personality issues, usually not work product-related). Our office is acting like we're full steam ahead as far as summers go. They're putting a lot of work into the program. Just be enthusiastic and try to engage (as much as possible given the virtual program) and I don't think there will be any issues.

I'm a junior in a transactional group that has very little work right now and I've been really happy with how JD has handled the crisis so far, FWIW.

Do people subtly put you on notice if you're behaving inappropriately? I get paranoid about these things and I'm already worried I had a bit too much wine at an SA offer dinner. Although as far as I remember I didn't say anything too crazy and left after dessert to avoid doing so.

Lol are you me? Paranoid as heck.

[texas95]

Question about attire: my firm sent us an email that essentially said that there's no need to wear a suit unless we're going to be in a client meeting and that "nice casual" is fine. The firm explicitly said no t-shirts, but can I wear like short-sleeve button down shirts or is that too casual?

Take a chunk of your first paycheck and go buy a bunch of polos with minimal branding (i.e. nothing more than a small Brooks Brothers, Polo Ralph Lauren, etc. logo on the chest). Golf polos are acceptable in my office, but YMMV by market. I’ve heard good things about Uniqlo polos for a budget option, but I can’t vouch firsthand.

[JS623]

The firm I am at for the summer is partially reopened, and they mentioned it was casual attire. I was expecting khakis and button downs, but it has mostly been jeans and polos. I've even caught a few t-shirts.

[Anonymous User]

Thoughts of going out of town/on vacation for a few weekdays during a remote SA? Is there any chance that you will miss something or won't be able to do all the work while traveling if you plan to log on/be available during normal hours?

[BrainsyK]

Thoughts of going out of town/on vacation for a few weekdays during a remote SA? Is there any chance that you will miss something or won't be able to do all the work while traveling if you plan to log on/be available during normal hours?

This is a bad idea even during a normal summer with full offer rates. There's 0 reason to be unavailable if you can be remote and 100% reason to be on-alert about your availability, work, and behavior this summer. Going anywhere is fine, but be sure that you always have your work phone (in an area where it gets signal) and can access stable WiFi on minutes notice. No SA work will be that important, but your ability to show your face when summoned will be.

[Anonymous User]

Thoughts of going out of town/on vacation for a few weekdays during a remote SA? Is there any chance that you will miss something or won't be able to do all the work while traveling if you plan to log on/be available during normal hours?

This is a bad idea even during a normal summer with full offer rates. There's 0 reason to be unavailable if you can be remote and 100% reason to be on-alert about your availability, work, and behavior this summer. Going anywhere is fine, but be sure that you always have your work phone (in an area where it gets signal) and can access stable WiFi on minutes notice. No SA work will be that important, but your ability to show your face when summoned will be.

Yeah sorry, I meant more just the fact that I wouldn’t be in the same physical location and it might be a bad look if someone were to find out (especially if it’s a known vacation spot). I obviously plan to be every bit as available as I would ordinarily be at home.

[M458]

Thoughts of going out of town/on vacation for a few weekdays during a remote SA? Is there any chance that you will miss something or won't be able to do all the work while traveling if you plan to log on/be available during normal hours?

This is a bad idea even during a normal summer with full offer rates. There's 0 reason to be unavailable if you can be remote and 100% reason to be on-alert about your availability, work, and behavior this summer. Going anywhere is fine, but be sure that you always have your work phone (in an area where it gets signal) and can access stable WiFi on minutes notice. No SA work will be that important, but your ability to show your face when summoned will be.

Yeah sorry, I meant more just the fact that I wouldn’t be in the same physical location and it might be a bad look if someone were to find out (especially if it’s a known vacation spot). I obviously plan to be every bit as available as I would ordinarily be at home.

This would be fine - don't publicize it, even among other summers. Just go about your normal workday and if there are Zoom meetings, pick some inconspicuous place so folks just think you're at home.

[Anonymous User]

Thoughts of going out of town/on vacation for a few weekdays during a remote SA? Is there any chance that you will miss something or won't be able to do all the work while traveling if you plan to log on/be available during normal hours?

This is a bad idea even during a normal summer with full offer rates. There's 0 reason to be unavailable if you can be remote and 100% reason to be on-alert about your availability, work, and behavior this summer. Going anywhere is fine, but be sure that you always have your work phone (in an area where it gets signal) and can access stable WiFi on minutes notice. No SA work will be that important, but your ability to show your face when summoned will be.

Yeah sorry, I meant more just the fact that I wouldn’t be in the same physical location and it might be a bad look if someone were to find out (especially if it’s a known vacation spot). I obviously plan to be every bit as available as I would ordinarily be at home.

This would be fine - don't publicize it, even among other summers. Just go about your normal workday and if there are Zoom meetings, pick some inconspicuous place so folks just think you're at home.

Thanks. Will they be able to see where you're logging on from if you're using a work computer?

[DiligentSage]

Thoughts of going out of town/on vacation for a few weekdays during a remote SA? Is there any chance that you will miss something or won't be able to do all the work while traveling if you plan to log on/be available during normal hours?

This is a bad idea even during a normal summer with full offer rates. There's 0 reason to be unavailable if you can be remote and 100% reason to be on-alert about your availability, work, and behavior this summer. Going anywhere is fine, but be sure that you always have your work phone (in an area where it gets signal) and can access stable WiFi on minutes notice. No SA work will be that important, but your ability to show your face when summoned will be.

Yeah sorry, I meant more just the fact that I wouldn’t be in the same physical location and it might be a bad look if someone were to find out (especially if it’s a known vacation spot). I obviously plan to be every bit as available as I would ordinarily be at home.

This would be fine - don't publicize it, even among other summers. Just go about your normal workday and if there are Zoom meetings, pick some inconspicuous place so folks just think you're at home.

Thanks. Will they be able to see where you're logging on from if you're using a work computer?

I mean, unless you're on a beach in Hawaii in swim trunks for the world to see on your Zoom call, how would anyone know any better? An office or a bedroom in a home/vacation condo/hotel/etc. is an office or a bedroom (although do try to angle your screen, wherever possible, away from the bed so it looks like you're in an office). It doesn't matter to the firm or your colleagues what location you choose to work from so long as you're reasonably available.

[NewSouthernAssociate]

Thoughts of going out of town/on vacation for a few weekdays during a remote SA? Is there any chance that you will miss something or won't be able to do all the work while traveling if you plan to log on/be available during normal hours?

This is a bad idea even during a normal summer with full offer rates. There's 0 reason to be unavailable if you can be remote and 100% reason to be on-alert about your availability, work, and behavior this summer. Going anywhere is fine, but be sure that you always have your work phone (in an area where it gets signal) and can access stable WiFi on minutes notice. No SA work will be that important, but your ability to show your face when summoned will be.

Yeah sorry, I meant more just the fact that I wouldn’t be in the same physical location and it might be a bad look if someone were to find out (especially if it’s a known vacation spot). I obviously plan to be every bit as available as I would ordinarily be at home.

This would be fine - don't publicize it, even among other summers. Just go about your normal workday and if there are Zoom meetings, pick some inconspicuous place so folks just think you're at home.

Thanks. Will they be able to see where you're logging on from if you're using a work computer?

I mean, unless you're on a beach in Hawaii in swim trunks for the world to see on your Zoom call, how would anyone know any better? An office or a bedroom in a home/vacation condo/hotel/etc. is an office or a bedroom (although do try to angle your screen, wherever possible, away from the bed so it looks like you're in an office). It doesn't matter to the firm or your colleagues what location you choose to work from so long as you're reasonably available.

You can also change your background on Zoom if you’re that concerned about the vacation spot looking different.

[RaceJudicata]

Thoughts of going out of town/on vacation for a few weekdays during a remote SA? Is there any chance that you will miss something or won't be able to do all the work while traveling if you plan to log on/be available during normal hours?

This is a bad idea even during a normal summer with full offer rates. There's 0 reason to be unavailable if you can be remote and 100% reason to be on-alert about your availability, work, and behavior this summer. Going anywhere is fine, but be sure that you always have your work phone (in an area where it gets signal) and can access stable WiFi on minutes notice. No SA work will be that important, but your ability to show your face when summoned will be.

Yeah sorry, I meant more just the fact that I wouldn’t be in the same physical location and it might be a bad look if someone were to find out (especially if it’s a known vacation spot). I obviously plan to be every bit as available as I would ordinarily be at home.

This would be fine - don't publicize it, even among other summers. Just go about your normal workday and if there are Zoom meetings, pick some inconspicuous place so folks just think you're at home.

Thanks. Will they be able to see where you're logging on from if you're using a work computer?

I mean, unless you're on a beach in Hawaii in swim trunks for the world to see on your Zoom call, how would anyone know any better? An office or a bedroom in a home/vacation condo/hotel/etc. is an office or a bedroom (although do try to angle your screen, wherever possible, away from the bed so it looks like you're in an office). It doesn't matter to the firm or your colleagues what location you choose to work from so long as you're reasonably available.

You can also change your background on Zoom if you’re that concerned about the vacation spot looking different.

A pixelated zoom background is far more suspicious (and weird) than picking a non-descript wall in whatever condo/house you are vacationing at.

[M458]

I think his concern was with VPN/log-in credentials.

Maybe IT could theoretically dig up where you’re logging in from, but no associate or partner will have any clue.

[kovdak02]

People will be doing remote summers from all over the planet - their law school cities, their hometowns, and more. Go wherever you want and don’t worry about it. It’s good advice not to put the beach in your background or advertise to people where you are (though you very well may get asked where you are as a small talk pre-Zoom meeting thing, in which case don’t lie). And of course, don’t miss any work events or calls or whatever. But after 6:00 and on weekends you should be free as a summer in 95% of cases.

[TexasBigLaw]

Question about attire: my firm sent us an email that essentially said that there's no need to wear a suit unless we're going to be in a client meeting and that "nice casual" is fine. The firm explicitly said no t-shirts, but can I wear like short-sleeve button down shirts or is that too casual?

Too casual. The vast vast majority of attorneys won't notice or care - but there will be a few who will and it's hard as a summer to be able to figure out who those people are (and whether they have any real say in if you get hired). It's not worth the risk, in my opinion.