Did I just blow my chances with a specific law firm for 3L mass mailing by going to office hours? Forum

[BigZuck]

Mods- is this a troll or like what's the deal there?

[A. Nony Mouse]

Genuine as far as I can tell, but it could be long-con trolling or someone just got inspired.

[BigZuck]

I really hope it's a troll for so many reasons

[Anonymous User]

I like how OP started this thread as a little kid digging a hole in a sandbox and is now in full excavator mode.

If he's not trolling, how does he think the law school wouldn't get involved if someone is accusing 20+ of its students of lying. This thread/ email would be crazy enough that the school would wanna figure out who it is, even if the partner wouldn't have the time to do it. Nothing good would come from that OP. I'm not sure that's enough grounds for the school to expel you, but you'd come close( if you send an email accusing your classmates) and enough people in the firm community would know your craziness that it will become impossible for you to get a job, when combined with the fact that you're already not that employable

[jchiles]

I'm sure its been explained but why can't the op just not apply to this firm? It's not like there was any guarantee or even a good chance it was going to turn into anything.

[Anonymous User]

I'm sure its been explained but why can't the op just not apply to this firm? It's not like there was any guarantee or even a good chance it was going to turn into anything.

Destiny.
Ps, this is not OP. Accidental anon.

[20160810]

I just love that he has a fucking RANKED LIST of people to preemptively blame this on if anyone starts to catch on

Yeah, I mean, this is seriously the WTF part. This person isn't going anywhere except deeper into the holes he's digging himself.

Bets on how long it takes him to get disbarred?

I doubt he actually has a list. I'm pretty sure OP is unstable and is grasping onto increasingly irrational straws as people on the forum keep shooting his plans down. When he says he has a list, he's trying to convince himself as much as he's trying to convince you. Which is why it would really be best if he doesn't come back.

This dude has weapons-grade aspergers. I have zero doubt that he made a list.

[El Pollito]

It's not like he has a shot at the job either way.

[dixiecupdrinking]

It's not like he has a shot at the job either way.

OP's bizarre personality is why he doesn't actually have a job already, so if it wasn't for this particularly insane scheme I'm sure something else would have happened to keep this partner from giving him a job anyway.

[Anonymous User]

If he's not trolling, how does he think the law school wouldn't get involved if someone is accusing 20+ of its students of lying. This thread/ email would be crazy enough that the school would wanna figure out who it is, even if the partner wouldn't have the time to do it. Nothing good would come from that OP. I'm not sure that's enough grounds for the school to expel you, but you'd come close( if you send an email accusing your classmates) and enough people in the firm community would know your craziness that it will become impossible for you to get a job, when combined with the fact that you're already not that employable

Yea, because I'll be sending the emails from an email with my actual name attached. On the school's network, instead of a friend's house's private network. 10 students from the 2 schools I don't attend would do just as well.

Nothing would happen until someone has accused me of lying, and I'll know if that happens because the partner will say "can I talk to you after class?" At that point, one person will have accused one person of lying, then everything's fair game. Who's to say the initial accuser isn't responsible for all 21 accusations? This thread? This thread is exactly what an initial accuser would say.

I'm sure its been explained but why can't the op just not apply to this firm? It's not like there was any guarantee or even a good chance it was going to turn into anything.

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So you all can either answer that, or you can keep talking about MutuallyAD and giving me more bases to cover in the event that someone else gets this ball rolling.

PS: It seems that the mods are asleep at the wheel of enforcing rules against anon abuse and 0Ls in this thread.

[justabitunusual]

it could be long-con trolling

I really hope it's a troll for so many reasons

I really can't see how this could actually be a real person. Like, the more interactions, the more I think, "No way this is real."

I like how OP started this thread as a little kid digging a hole in a sandbox and is now in full excavator mode.

This. so much this.

If OP is real, all I can say is wow. And, to OP: you came here to "get help," but instead refused sound advice in favor of scheming. It's like you wanted us to agree that your "hypothetical" lie would work, and couldn't understand how dumb it was. Yes, absent moral dilemmas, some ppl can scheme and lie and get away with it, but you're obvs not one of them. Your lie is just too ill-conceived. I'm not saying this to harass you, I'm saying this bc it's true.

You're main argument is: "But why can't my lie work?" The answer is: "Because, it's dumb." The lie is shit.

Honestly, at this point, I hope you go through with it, just so you can prove that to yourself (since, apparently nobody else can).

[Anonymous User]

You're main argument is: "But why can't my lie work?" The answer is: "Because, it's dumb." The lie is shit.

The "lie" won't actually be "April, my dad." I just offered that as a generic truth. I wouldn't want to share what I'd actually say so that the partner can be alerted to "watch out for this particular excuse."

So the question I was asking wasn't why "April, my dad" as a particular excuse won't work. It was "why won't [believable truth] work, and should I bring it up first or let him bring it up first?"

Emailing the stuff to the partner now is going to put it on his radar though. Next summer when his resume doesn't have the SA, partner will be reminded of the insane email he got back in November and follow up. Lose-lose

Right, which is why I'm going to sit on it until someone else gets a bright idea and is just certain of who I am (because I'd tell people 'I'm still on the market" IRL but lie here anonymously, instead of vice versa).
Then, if I don't do something, my chances at this particular firm will sink to 0. Then I have nothing to lose by serving up names like they're tennis balls.

But if no one gets a bright idea, then my planned timeline will proceed as planned.

[smaug]

I still don't get OP's scheme.

If you send the email you're the anon.

You're going to need some real wine-in-front-of-me in terms of faking the email or something else to make this work.

Just give up.

Also if art, this thread is good art and props to the artist

[Caesar Salad]

So what happens when the partner just contacts the firm anyway? And then contacts your school and says "Hey, idk why, but one of your students lied to my face."

[smaug]

also the SBL post about character was great

OP you're not a skilled enough operator to lie about this stuff

grow a soul and get better at life

[Anonymous User]

I still don't get OP's scheme.
If you send the email you're the anon.
You're going to need some real wine-in-front-of-me in terms of faking the email or something else to make this work.

No, I won't be sending any emails "until someone else gets a bright idea and is just certain of who I am" sends an email. I don't even have to know who it is--just that an email has been sent because all of a sudden the partner will suddenly act less warmly toward me. (As an aside, how could I have gotten him to like me in the first place if I'm as socially unaware as how a bunch of anonymous online people characterize my anonymous online behavior? Obviously I must have another mode or gear IRL, right?)

So what happens when the partner just contacts the firm anyway? And then contacts your school and says "Hey, idk why, but one of your students lied to my face."

Well if he's going to be calling that firm, he'll be calling 20 firms. And solving this mystery must have a high priority on his to-do list. If you mean 10 months later, then that'll mean "April, my dad" (used here and everywhere else as a stand-in) was unpersuasive, then there's nothing I can do about that.

But for what reason will he doubt a believable explanation so that he'd rather take on the hassle of calling an unreachable HR person busy recruiting for her own firm and not fielding questions out of the blue?

[apa80]

OP, just weigh the options:

Option 1: you lie about your sick dad or try to rat out a bunch of people who never did anything wrong. If you pull it off, you have a marginally better chance of getting a job (if that). If you don't pull it off, your legal career is fucked

Option 2: you don't apply to this firm and you move on, forgetting this ever happened. The only consequence is that you have a marginally smaller chance of getting a job

The fact that you can't see that this is an easy decision is probably why you don't have a job in the first place

[justabitunusual]

So the question I was asking wasn't why "April, my dad" as a particular excuse won't work. It was "why won't [believable truth] work, and should I bring it up first or let him bring it up first?"
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Right, which is why I'm going to sit on it until someone else gets a bright idea and is just certain of who I am...
Then, if I don't do something, my chances at this particular firm will sink to 0. Then I have nothing to lose by serving up names like they're tennis balls.

But if no one gets a bright idea, then my planned timeline will proceed as planned.

It looks like you've got a rock solid plan here, OP. You do you.

Idk why your "believable" truth won't work, go ahead and address it w him first, unless you want to wait. You have all the tools you need to win, and quite frankly I don't see why you would ask the advice/opinion of a buncha plebs like us...you got this OP!

[Anonymous User]

???

[justabitunusual]

Next time I alt I'm totally using "April my dad"

This is tcr.

[El Pollito]

Mods why don't you just out and ban thanks

[Anonymous User]

Mods why don't you just out and ban thanks

Which Term of Service have I violated to warrant outting and a ban, instead of the 0Ls and anon abusers who actually broke forum rules?
If I'm outted, my RICH posting history will be revealed. I don't think it'll be of any use to someone trying to figure out who I am IRL, but the whole point of outting me here is so that someone IRL can try to out me.
Then, fair game, nothing to lose, etc.

[pancakes3]

You're main argument is: "But why can't my lie work?" The answer is: "Because, it's dumb." The lie is shit.

So the question I was asking wasn't why "April, my dad" as a particular excuse* won't work. It was "why won't [believable truth] work, and should I bring it up first or let him bring it up first?"

So you're asking if [insert hypothetically sufficiently believable excuse*] would be hypothetically sufficiently believable, but you won't tell us what the excuse is?

And also, are you just not planning on having anything for the summer? Because when you say you couldn't take your SA in non-NYC firm but then turn around and accept a position with wherever you end up... how do you reconcile that with your excuse*?

*excuse = lie

[apa80]

OP, just weigh the options:
Option 1: you lie about your sick dad... If you don't pull it off, your legal career is fucked
Option 2: you don't apply to this firm and you move on

In what way will it be fucked? Whatever I choose to say in place of "April, my dad," will have documentation to support it when push comes to shove. So the way I'm looking at it, if I don't pull off option 1, I'd be exactly where I'd with option2: i.e., no job with this particular firm.

At least with option1 there's a chance. So why wouldn't I just go with option 1.

you got this OP!

Tyty

No, option 1 is not a no-lose scenario. If it comes out that you lied in this process about your work experience (because this is not a "believable truth," even if your dad is actually sick. It is a lie. You never got the job you said you did) or if your school finds out that you tried to frame 10 of your classmates for lying about their work experience, people aren't just going to throw their hands up and say, "oh well, I guess he's just one of those really dishonest lawyers." If you do get caught, it could really blow up in a big way.

The fact that your dad is sick doesn't make this "truth." It's the fact that you don't have the job you say you do that makes it a "lie."

[Anonymous User]

you won't tell us what the excuse is?
And also, are you just not planning on having anything for the summer? Because when you say you couldn't take your SA in non-NYC firm but then turn around and accept a position with wherever you end up... how do you reconcile that with your excuse*?

I can't say what the excuse will be because I haven't decided on one yet. And I don't want anyone here to get cute and alert the partner they think it is to "be on the lookout for this particular excuse."
But I'll tell you this: I'll tailor the excuse to the circumstances, not choose jobs only if they're consistent with a pre-formulated excuse.

If you do get caught, it could really blow up in a big way. It's the fact that you don't have the job you say you do

It's the fact that I don't have the job I allegedly said I had *10 months ago*. By that time..."I don't recall ever saying anything about FirmX." But all you've done is that you've just told me again that it's a lie. Not how option1 would blow up.