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theotherone823 · Post by **theotherone823** » Tue Jul 28, 2015 5:12 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Got ACLR. Good luck everyone!

ACLR here as well.

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Tue Jul 28, 2015 5:14 pm

I participated in the transfer write-on and don't see anything yet. Anyone else?

BmoreOrLess · Post by **BmoreOrLess** » Tue Jul 28, 2015 5:20 pm

EzraFitz wrote:Tax Lawyer. GL everyone.

Me too, wondering if I should have bid GLJ. Now I get three days to decide if I want to do it or not.

Any idea how much work it is? I just bid it because it was really the only journal I was remotely interested in.

EzraFitz · Post by **EzraFitz** » Tue Jul 28, 2015 5:25 pm

BmoreOrLess wrote:
EzraFitz wrote:Tax Lawyer. GL everyone.
Me too, wondering if I should have bid GLJ. Now I get three days to decide if I want to do it or not.

Any idea how much work it is? I just bid it because it was really the only journal I was remotely interested in.

FWIW I bid GLJ, and have the grades for it, so either my writing is objectively bad (extremely possible haha) or the competition was fierce (or likely both).

Glasseyes · Post by **Glasseyes** » Tue Jul 28, 2015 5:29 pm

Yeah, I bid GLJ and landed ALCR. Woooooooo

BmoreOrLess · Post by **BmoreOrLess** » Tue Jul 28, 2015 5:31 pm

EzraFitz wrote:
BmoreOrLess wrote:
EzraFitz wrote:Tax Lawyer. GL everyone.
Me too, wondering if I should have bid GLJ. Now I get three days to decide if I want to do it or not.

Any idea how much work it is? I just bid it because it was really the only journal I was remotely interested in.
FWIW I bid GLJ, and have the grades for it, so either my writing is objectively bad (extremely possible haha) or the competition was fierce (or likely both).

Yea, I definitely don't have the grades and just conflated the effort I put forth for brief with write on (where 90% of my writing came on the final day). I think it's probably a small miracle I made it on tax.

BmoreOrLess · Post by **BmoreOrLess** » Tue Jul 28, 2015 5:31 pm

Also, can we talk about the BB test now?

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Tue Jul 28, 2015 5:32 pm

What do they do with spots assigned to students who transferred out?

Glasseyes · Post by **Glasseyes** » Tue Jul 28, 2015 5:35 pm

BmoreOrLess wrote:Also, can we talk about the BB test now?

Yeah, those typos. Real? Imaginary? BOTH?!

EzraFitz · Post by **EzraFitz** » Tue Jul 28, 2015 5:36 pm

Glasseyes wrote:
BmoreOrLess wrote:Also, can we talk about the BB test now?
Yeah, those typos. Real? Imaginary? BOTH?!

Who even knows. TF is so much worse than redlining in my opinion.

Also, did any TLSer make GLJ haha?

BmoreOrLess · Post by **BmoreOrLess** » Tue Jul 28, 2015 5:36 pm

Glasseyes wrote:
BmoreOrLess wrote:Also, can we talk about the BB test now?
Yeah, those typos. Real? Imaginary? BOTH?!

I think there were only like 5 correct citations on the whole thing.

Glasseyes · Post by **Glasseyes** » Tue Jul 28, 2015 5:38 pm

BmoreOrLess wrote:
Glasseyes wrote:
BmoreOrLess wrote:Also, can we talk about the BB test now?
Yeah, those typos. Real? Imaginary? BOTH?!
I think there were only like 5 correct citations on the whole thing.

They'd get every nuance of a ridiculously complicated rule correct, then flip the digits of a year. Unless we're supposed to safely assume the year is 2102 or something. Fucking nonsense.

EzraFitz · Post by **EzraFitz** » Tue Jul 28, 2015 5:40 pm

Glasseyes wrote:
BmoreOrLess wrote:
Glasseyes wrote:
BmoreOrLess wrote:Also, can we talk about the BB test now?
Yeah, those typos. Real? Imaginary? BOTH?!
I think there were only like 5 correct citations on the whole thing.
They'd get every nuance of a ridiculously complicated rule correct, then flip the digits of a year. Unless we're supposed to safely assume the year is 2102 or something. Fucking nonsense.

On the bright side, it was nice when you were objectively certain that they were wrong haha.

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Tue Jul 28, 2015 5:48 pm

Dinged from journals. Be grateful you got a resume line.

EzraFitz · Post by **EzraFitz** » Tue Jul 28, 2015 5:49 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Dinged from journals. Be grateful you got a resume line.

Sorry to hear that

. Brutal this year.

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Tue Jul 28, 2015 7:02 pm

Dumb question, how are we checking?

TLSModBot · Post by **TLSModBot** » Tue Jul 28, 2015 7:09 pm

Glasseyes wrote:
BmoreOrLess wrote:
Glasseyes wrote:
BmoreOrLess wrote:Also, can we talk about the BB test now?
Yeah, those typos. Real? Imaginary? BOTH?!
I think there were only like 5 correct citations on the whole thing.
They'd get every nuance of a ridiculously complicated rule correct, then flip the digits of a year. Unless we're supposed to safely assume the year is 2102 or something. Fucking nonsense.

This year's test sounds like it parallels real bluebooking assignments surprisingly well.

BmoreOrLess · Post by **BmoreOrLess** » Tue Jul 28, 2015 7:16 pm

Zach, any idea how bad the time commitment for the tax lawyer is?

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Tue Jul 28, 2015 7:18 pm

Also, any sense on whether secondary journals are worth it in general? Assume no interest in clerking

TLSModBot · Post by **TLSModBot** » Tue Jul 28, 2015 7:21 pm

BmoreOrLess wrote:Zach, any idea how bad the time commitment for the tax lawyer is?

I was Ethics, so I don't know for sure how Tax Lawyer compares workwise but as far as secondary journals go, Tax Lawyer is seen as being a good one (again: not so much that firms care for hiring purposes). I don't think you have to write a note for Tax Lawyer, where you do for Ethics. I also imagine the bluebooking/source collect would be a little more onerous if it's tax-related stuff as opposed to just hunting down regular books and articles, but that's just speculation on my part.

I had at least one friend do Tax Lawyer journal and she didn't seem to mind it. Honestly the only people who seem to complain seriously about journal work is Main Journal.

TLSlogin765 · Post by **TLSlogin765** » Tue Jul 28, 2015 7:29 pm

Ethics guy here. What is the experience like, if you do not mind sharing, and what kind of cred does the journal have generally? Excited to learn about/work on something different.

BmoreOrLess · Post by **BmoreOrLess** » Tue Jul 28, 2015 7:31 pm

Another question: When a firm says journal membership required (e.g., White & Case), how serious do you think they are?

TLSModBot · Post by **TLSModBot** » Tue Jul 28, 2015 7:37 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Also, any sense on whether secondary journals are worth it in general? Assume no interest in clerking

An associate at Simpson Thacher during a callback told me his story: he got on a journal (forgot which one), got accepted for a Summer Associate position, decided halfway through the year that he was sick of journal, contacted the firm to ask if they would care if he quit, and was told no. Still got the SA gig, still got an offer, and works at the firm to this day.

Discussion of my journal work came up precisely zero times during OCI, callbacks, etc. No. One. Cares. And as an evening student, by the time I went to OCI I had already worked at journal for one year and had a note published. Still no one cared.

TLSlogin765 wrote:Ethics guy here. What is the experience like, if you do not mind sharing, and what kind of cred does the journal have generally? Excited to learn about/work on something different.

First off, fantastic username. The bluebooking is annoying but no worse than any other journal I should imagine - we only have 3 publications a year that need the standard bluebooking/source collect work. Source collect is generally pretty easy because authors in this field tend to draw from other articles and books - VERY easy to acquire. The main difficult part is the note publication part - that takes work AND you have to edit other people's while you do yours (you have to do a full bluebooking/source collect/proof read on another person's note). If you can combine said note with a writing requirement class or any class that has a writing requirement instead of a final, then it's not so bad. BUT you have to be able to convincingly tie legal ethics into the topic, which can be tricky for most classes.

Overall I liked it but I'm a weirdo working on my 3rd publication (for no foreseeable career reason, honestly. I just enjoy it).

BmoreOrLess wrote:Another question: When a firm says journal membership required (e.g., White & Case), how serious do you think they are?

If they say it's required, then they're probably serious. I don't recall seeing many firms seriously make it a prerequisite. There are some places that are finicky about being on main journal in particular, like Williams & Connolly, but those firms are few and far between.

Worst case you can join a journal and then ditch (after asking the firm's recruiting department first if it's OK) halfway through. Kind of a dick move to the journal but if your grades are suffering it's understandable.

LM1936 · Post by **LM1936** » Tue Jul 28, 2015 8:12 pm

Anonymous User wrote:I participated in the transfer write-on and don't see anything yet. Anyone else?

I did the transfer write on as well, and it says that the results aren't available yet for me. More waiting.

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Tue Jul 28, 2015 8:18 pm

No but seriously I can't find the results how are people finding them?!?

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