HLS EIP 2015 Forum

[polareagle]

Does anyone know how it works if you want to request to split a summer between two of a firm's offices, especially if it's an international office? Do I bring it up in the interview? If any 3Ls or alums who might be reading have any advice that would be really helpful (PM if you prefer).

Didn't do this, but I think common sense would be not to bring it up during the interview phase. Wow them, get your offer, then bring it up with the recruiting staff. You ideally don't want to seem like extra work when you're trying to get an offer. Once you have that offer, however, they have every incentive to try to accommodate you and the worst they can say is no (it's not like they would rescind your offer for asking).

ETA: This is not the advice I would give for splitting for two domestic offices. There, the correct response is often (though not necessarily always) interview with both offices, especially if both are coming to EIP. But, presuming the international office isn't going to be at EIP, I think the above holds.

[Anonymous User]

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[Anonymous User]

Can somebody discuss what HLR work is like during EIP? Will it significantly impact my preparation time?

[LS2515]

Do people generally stay at the Charles all day or come in go? I think I will have 6+ on certain days...

[TripTrip]

Do people generally stay at the Charles all day or come in go? I think I will have 6+ on certain days...

Stay. Oh god stay. OCS rents out the ballroom for exactly this reason. Coming and going all day would be horrific.

The only reason to leave is to go get Chipotle, and then only if its your turn to be the one to go pick it up.

[Anonymous User]

Anyone know how grade-selective these NY firms are? Let's just say the student in question doubts their competitiveness for the firms that have giant SA classes that take multiple HLSers every year (e.g., PW, CSM, DPW, STB, Cleary).

Corp/Transx oriented:

In alphabetical order, Screener:CB%, CB:Offer% :
1. Akin Gump 25%, 100%
2. Arnold & Porter 55%, 67%
3. Boies CORP 21%, 50%
4. Covington 48%, 70%
5. Gibson 40%, 87%
6. Goodwin 25%, 67%
7. Hogan 43%, 54%
8. Jenner 37%, 100%
9. Jones Day 30%, 40%
10. Kirkland CORP 74%, 90%
11. Milbank 52%, 71%
12. MoFo 35%, 67%
13. OMM 30%, 50%
14. Ropes 43%, 78%
15. Sidley 43%, 75%
16. Wilmer 38%, 78%

Basically, would you need a Bill Clinton-esque interview to overcome your transcript? Or would even that fall short? Can you sort of reverse yield-protect your way in (i.e., they know as well as you do that you're probably not competitive for e.g., CSM).

[nothingtosee]

Anyone know how grade-selective these NY firms are? Let's just say the student in question doubts their competitiveness for the firms that have giant SA classes that take multiple HLSers every year (e.g., PW, CSM, DPW, STB, Cleary).

Corp/Transx oriented:

In alphabetical order, Screener:CB%, CB:Offer% :
1. Akin Gump 25%, 100%
2. Arnold & Porter 55%, 67%
3. Boies CORP 21%, 50%
4. Covington 48%, 70%
5. Gibson 40%, 87%
6. Goodwin 25%, 67%
7. Hogan 43%, 54%
8. Jenner 37%, 100%
9. Jones Day 30%, 40%
10. Kirkland CORP 74%, 90%
11. Milbank 52%, 71%
12. MoFo 35%, 67%
13. OMM 30%, 50%
14. Ropes 43%, 78%
15. Sidley 43%, 75%
16. Wilmer 38%, 78%

Basically, would you need a Bill Clinton-esque interview to overcome your transcript? Or would even that fall short? Can you sort of reverse yield-protect your way in (i.e., they know as well as you do that you're probably not competitive for e.g., CSM).

Ur anon post ur grades

[Anonymous User]

Do you have an LP?

[Anonymous User]

Let me put it this way. 3Hs (median) would put CSM DPW etc in play. Skadden is less grade-selective than that. And I'm not even asking about Skadden.

ETA: yes

[Anonymous User]

Anyone know how grade-selective these NY firms are? Let's just say the student in question doubts their competitiveness for the firms that have giant SA classes that take multiple HLSers every year (e.g., PW, CSM, DPW, STB, Cleary).

Corp/Transx oriented:

In alphabetical order, Screener:CB%, CB:Offer% :
1. Akin Gump 25%, 100%
2. Arnold & Porter 55%, 67%
3. Boies CORP 21%, 50%
4. Covington 48%, 70%
5. Gibson 40%, 87%
6. Goodwin 25%, 67%
7. Hogan 43%, 54%
8. Jenner 37%, 100%
9. Jones Day 30%, 40%
10. Kirkland CORP 74%, 90%
11. Milbank 52%, 71%
12. MoFo 35%, 67%
13. OMM 30%, 50%
14. Ropes 43%, 78%
15. Sidley 43%, 75%
16. Wilmer 38%, 78%

Basically, would you need a Bill Clinton-esque interview to overcome your transcript? Or would even that fall short? Can you sort of reverse yield-protect your way in (i.e., they know as well as you do that you're probably not competitive for e.g., CSM).

I think WilmerHale and Gibson Dunn will still care about grades a little, even in NY. Not as sure about Jenner but they tend to care as well.

[Anonymous User]

Anyone know how grade-selective these NY firms are? Let's just say the student in question doubts their competitiveness for the firms that have giant SA classes that take multiple HLSers every year (e.g., PW, CSM, DPW, STB, Cleary).

Corp/Transx oriented:

In alphabetical order, Screener:CB%, CB:Offer% :
1. Akin Gump 25%, 100%
2. Arnold & Porter 55%, 67%
3. Boies CORP 21%, 50%
4. Covington 48%, 70%
5. Gibson 40%, 87%
6. Goodwin 25%, 67%
7. Hogan 43%, 54%
8. Jenner 37%, 100%
9. Jones Day 30%, 40%
10. Kirkland CORP 74%, 90%
11. Milbank 52%, 71%
12. MoFo 35%, 67%
13. OMM 30%, 50%
14. Ropes 43%, 78%
15. Sidley 43%, 75%
16. Wilmer 38%, 78%

Basically, would you need a Bill Clinton-esque interview to overcome your transcript? Or would even that fall short? Can you sort of reverse yield-protect your way in (i.e., they know as well as you do that you're probably not competitive for e.g., CSM).

I'm not sure what you're going for here.

With your grades, I think your first, second and last priority should be to make sure that you at least come out with one market-paying offer. Instead, in what I'm pretty sure were your previous posts, you seemed fixated on bidding for firms that were "sufficiently prestigious" for the reason of having the people you know not thinking that you screwed up 1L/EIP. Since you've only posted a partial bidlist, I can't tell for sure whether this prestige fixation led to you being overly aggressive with your bids. I hope it didn't.

To your current question: what does it matter? Your list of interviews are basically set, and you should be hustling like crazy with every shot you get in the hopes that something sticks. Why would you even think about "reverse yield-protecting" yourself as if it matters what an individual law firm thinks about you as long as you get an offer somewhere else?

I think a casual HLS '17 poster needs to do very little guesswork to figure out who you are IRL. You seem like a fundamentally good dude and I'm rooting for you. Stop being obsessed with what I think, and what the rest of your peers think, and just do the best for yourself. Regardless of outcome, the respect you're looking for will naturally follow.

[Anonymous User]

"very little guesswork, fundamentally good 'dude' " How's that possible? I literally have never posted anywhere but anon in employment and the Lounge. And even in the lounge, my post count hasn't reached 10.

You might've confused me with someone else with a bigger TLS presence or reputation or whatever.

The reason it's a partial bidlist (in alphabetical, not bidding order) is that I'm primarily bidding my home market (this may be somewhat self-outing, but one of California/Chicago/Texas/PNW). But I threw those NY firms in not as "safeties" in the traditional sense but just in case I get shut-out of my home market.

That's why I was asking. Because those firms have many (or main) offices outside of NY. I don't know what "prestige" you're talking about. Otherwise I might as well have thrown Skadden in there. Unless there are only 3 people at HLS preoccupied with prestige, in which case, well, you got me.

[Anonymous User]

What happens when

1) You do a screener but do not get a CB. Do you get notified?

2) You do a CB but do not get an offer. Same question.

[TripTrip]

What happens when

1) You do a screener but do not get a CB. Do you get notified?

2) You do a CB but do not get an offer. Same question.

1) No. If you get a call its a callback.

2) Also no.

[Anonymous User]

In my experience, you typically received a ding by email or by snail mail. Good news almost always comes by phone or in person.

[TripTrip]

In my experience, you typically received a ding by email or by snail mail. Good news almost always comes by phone or in person.

Ah yeah, dings do come by mail later in the process. But generally if you don't hear, don't hold out.

[Anonymous User]

Wait so you fly out there and spend all day with them and they can't even tell you no? Can you at least email the recruiter to find out? How long should we wait until we accept its a no?

[Anonymous User]

When a firm does not do multiple interviews for different offices, how do callback selections work exactly? Suppose I get an interview for LA but also want to be considered for the less selective NYC office, do I just let them know that? Will getting dinged for a callback in the more selective LA office also ding me for the NYC office? Thanks!

[MyNameIsFlynn!]

Wait so you fly out there and spend all day with them and they can't even tell you no? Can you at least email the recruiter to find out? How long should we wait until we accept its a no?

Jesus, calm down anon.

Most firms will give you an answer. If it's a no, it'll take longer though as that almost always comes via snail mail. Don't email the recruiter unless you have an offer that will expire soon as "desperate" is not a good look. Length of time to hear back depends on firm and market. big NYC firms often make a point of sending offers within 24-48 hours of callbacks, but other markets and firms may be far slower

[Pneumonia]

On CSM, what does "estimated 2L slots" mean on "employer review" tab? I have lots of interviews for which that number is 0, but also firms I bid on but did not get an interview from that have a positive value in that field. So it doesn't make sense to me that it would mean interviews "scheduled" or "still available." Thoughts?

[Anonymous User]

Does anyone know what the deal is with the BCG/MCK interviews? 20 minute blocks, but obviously that doesn't seem to be enough for a full case interview. Are these just fit screeners?

[mino]

On CSM, what does "estimated 2L slots" mean on "employer review" tab? I have lots of interviews for which that number is 0, but also firms I bid on but did not get an interview from that have a positive value in that field. So it doesn't make sense to me that it would mean interviews "scheduled" or "still available." Thoughts?

I've been told that sometimes you don't get interviews because there are no slots left and sometimes you don't get interviews because you have no room in your schedule that works with them. My guess is that the reason for not getting interviews in cases like this is the latter.

[Blessedassurance]

Can you at least email the recruiter to find out? How long should we wait until we accept its a no?

Others may disagree but don't do this unless you're really really desperate. Like facing a strike-out desperate. In general, if they have not responded, it's not because they've mistakenly forgotten about you.

[TripTrip]

Does anyone know what the deal is with the BCG/MCK interviews? 20 minute blocks, but obviously that doesn't seem to be enough for a full case interview. Are these just fit screeners?

Yes, BCG and MCK are relegating case interviews to the callbacks and just doing screeners on campus. Also, BCG is hiring for all locations, not just Boston. Someone entered that wrong.

[Blessedassurance]

Does anyone know what the deal is with the BCG/MCK interviews? 20 minute blocks, but obviously that doesn't seem to be enough for a full case interview. Are these just fit screeners?

The M interview is not a case interview. It's basically a screener. If you make it past that you go for the first round in Boston where you take some tests, and so on. At least that was the format back when I did EIP.