School OCI Data Forum

[Kohinoor]

M and V have 400+ firm offices going to OCI. (Not sure how many gov/PI.)

V is at 557 offices. Something like 160 firms, I believe.

Apparently our preselect makes us popular.

[Anonymous User]

M and V have 400+ firm offices going to OCI. (Not sure how many gov/PI.)

V is at 557 offices. Something like 160 firms, I believe.

Apparently our preselect makes us popular.

If only it were 100% preselect, as it should be.

[Anonymous User]

Why is it a such big deal for people to say how many firms are coming to OCI (to the extent to post anonymously)?

-Posting anonymously just to post anonymously.

Yes, can anyone explain the importance of unique employers vs. offices?? Why is 80 unique employers so terrible for Vanderbilt?? I mean even if they offer say, 1.5 people on average per unique employer(random number obviously) wouldnt that still be a 120/~200(60%) offered through OCI, do that many employers just show up for fun?

They gave us an obscene amount of bids, like 35. I can't even find enough firms that I would remotely be interested in to fill all my bids.

[Cara]

Vandy only has about 80 unique employers coming. Much more are doing the resume collection thing (which I don't know much about, but doesn't bode well). Gulp.

Wow. That really sucks...with Vandy's 'recent-ish' employment stats from NLJ250, I figured they'd have better luck than WUSTL. Guess not.

Crazy that 2 lsat points will get you double the number of unique employers coming to your law school (Vandy vs Notre Dame). I guess the difference between t14, t,20, and t25 really is that big of a deal...

And both schools have very similar first year class sizes.

And some people here used to scoff at the "retake LSAT" advice. Two points really can make that much of a difference to your future life.

[flcath]

One odd thing is following an individual office. Let's take Kirkland & Ellis Chicago. In 2009, they interviewed at six schools: Yale, Harvard, Chicago, Michigan, Virginia, Northwestern. In 2010, they're interviewing at eight schools: Yale, Harvard, Chicago, NYU, Michigan, Virginia, Duke, Northwestern, and Notre Dame. Illinois and WUSTL didn't make the '09 or '10 list, but Notre Dame was restored in '10. Now, maybe it's just one firm that's a fluke... but it's still the largest firm in Chicago. I wonder where other individual offices are going--which ones picked up from '09, which ones pared back from '09, and who got hurt the most.

Pre-ITE Notre Dame put the same (I think like almost exactly the same) number of kids into K&E's SA class as both Michigan and NU, two years in a row; which UIUC and WUSTL did not. Seriously. I think it may be a right-wing conspiracy: conservative firm, conservative school?

Not that it helps now. Anyone with Kirkland-style grades is set anyway, and that was gonna happen regardless of if K&E showed up to OCI.

[Unshake]

I know there was some talk before about how schools just outside of the top T14 or so would be hit the hardest. Anyone have information on schools like Minnesota, Iowa, Wisconsin, IUB, UIUC, or UGA? Are all similarly ranked midwest schools in as much trouble as/more as ND is?

[General Tso]

Hastings unique employers = 116

for all the shit it takes on TLS, I'd say that's pretty damn impressive ITE

[Anonymous User]

fyi about gw, about 20-30 interview slots say "patent only" or "must be patent bar eligible"

[270910]

Hastings unique employers = 116

for all the shit it takes on TLS, I'd say that's pretty damn impressive ITE

Define "unique employers." Also, coming for OCI, or coming for OCI + doing resume drops? I am highly skeptical of this number.

[BobSacamano]

Honest question - has anybody ever heard of someone getting a SA job (ITE, of course) through the resume collections or direct sends? I'm wondering if it's even worth putting in the effort for considering I'm not really that gung-ho for BigLaw.

[General Tso]

Hastings unique employers = 116

for all the shit it takes on TLS, I'd say that's pretty damn impressive ITE

Define "unique employers." Also, coming for OCI, or coming for OCI + doing resume drops? I am highly skeptical of this number.

Good catch...24 of them are resume drops. That leaves 92 unique employers coming on campus.

Unique employer is any firm (~70/94), government agency (~20/94) or public interest group (~10/94), excluding repeat listings for separate offices.

[270910]

Honest question - has anybody ever heard of someone getting a SA job (ITE, of course) through the resume collections or direct sends? I'm wondering if it's even worth putting in the effort for considering I'm not really that gung-ho for BigLaw.

Yes, several people. You still have to be competitive - so it tends to be people who are quite qualified buy, say, applying to different geographic areas or smaller firms for whom OCI would be overkill. But it's definitely not a waste of your time as a threshold issue.

[Unshake]

I know there was some talk before about how schools just outside of the top T14 or so would be hit the hardest. Anyone have information on schools like Minnesota, Iowa, Wisconsin, IUB, UIUC, or UGA? Are all similarly ranked midwest schools in as much trouble as/more as ND is?

There must be some students from these schools and I know a few have mentioned that schools around these rankings would be hit the hardest.

[jenesaislaw]

Vandy only has about 80 unique employers coming. Much more are doing the resume collection thing (which I don't know much about, but doesn't bode well). Gulp.

Do you know yet how many firms are coming to OCI this year, and do you have any idea how many came in 2009 and 2008? Just trying to gauge how Vanderbilt is riding the storm.

We got the list today. For 2Ls, it is a little under 100. Last year I think it was about 130 to start, but was under 100 by the time OCI actually happened. I did notice some stricter GPA requirements this year (comparing via memory firm-by-firm), but we also have a few of the most prestigious firms coming to campus that didn't come last year (e.g. S&C and Skadden NY - Skadden DE has come each of at least the last 2 years and I'm sure prior to that too. Don't know if S&C and Skadden NY came prior to last year, but both did resume drops last year).

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... &start=150

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I gave it a cursory glance, so didn't provide an exact count. I should have been more precise I suppose. In any case, I just counted and it was 82 or 83. Sorry if I misled you.

[Anonymous User]

NU is a rough estimate of (non-resume drop) ~135 unique employers coming obviously not counting multiple offices which takes it up to up to maybe 250-400???. (I think it's silly to count offices, b/c if it's not headquarters or a ~V20, you're not getting an offer unless you have signficant ties to that market or yowzer type grades).

[Grizz]

I gave it a cursory glance, so didn't provide an exact count. I should have been more precise I suppose. In any case, I just counted and it was 82 or 83. Sorry if I misled you.

No big. Thanks a lot for your help, JNSL.

[General Tso]

I gave it a cursory glance, so didn't provide an exact count. I should have been more precise I suppose. In any case, I just counted and it was 82 or 83. Sorry if I misled you.

No big. Thanks a lot for your help, JNSL.

What is Vandy's class size?

[let/them/eat/cake]

I gave it a cursory glance, so didn't provide an exact count. I should have been more precise I suppose. In any case, I just counted and it was 82 or 83. Sorry if I misled you.

No big. Thanks a lot for your help, JNSL.

What is Vandy's class size?

~200, but dude, c'mon, it's like literally on this site in the profile...

[General Tso]

~200, but dude, c'mon, it's like literally on this site in the profile...

thank u cake

[night06]

Anyone know how many unique employers Cornell has at their OCI? It was posted earlier that they have 220-250 including multiple offices, but I haven't seen anyone post how many are unique employers.

[arhmcpo]

About 110 Unique Employers (Private Firms and Businesses) for Pepperdine OCI. About 200 other employers doing resume collects - which like ppl said above seems like a longshot/much tougher to get an interview out of those. While the numbers are pretty strong compared to what I've heard on this thread, many are for small firms, and many of the big firms are Top 10-15% preferred.

Our government and public interest bidding hasn't opened yet cuz its done seperately.

Our class size is about 225.

[General Tso]

About 110 Unique Employers (Private Firms and Businesses) for Pepperdine OCI. About 200 other employers doing resume collects - which like ppl said above seems like a longshot/much tougher to get an interview out of those. While the numbers are pretty strong compared to what I've heard on this thread, many are for small firms, and many of the big firms are Top 10-15% preferred.

Our government and public interest bidding hasn't opened yet cuz its done seperately.

Our class size is about 225.

200 resume collects? what kind of places?

also strange that your OCI is full of small firms...there are practically no small firms doing OCI at Hastings. If these figures are accurate that is extremely strong for a school of Pepperdine's rank. It seems that schools located in major markets are faring much better than those farther out (ND, WUSTL, Davis, etc.)

[arhmcpo]

About 110 Unique Employers (Private Firms and Businesses) for Pepperdine OCI. About 200 other employers doing resume collects - which like ppl said above seems like a longshot/much tougher to get an interview out of those. While the numbers are pretty strong compared to what I've heard on this thread, many are for small firms, and many of the big firms are Top 10-15% preferred.

Our government and public interest bidding hasn't opened yet cuz its done seperately.

Our class size is about 225.

200 resume collects? what kind of places?

also strange that your OCI is full of small firms...there are practically no small firms doing OCI at Hastings. If these figures are accurate that is extremely strong for a school of Pepperdine's rank. It seems that schools located in major markets are faring much better than those farther out (ND, WUSTL, Davis, etc.)

Well since this is only private firm/businesses were talking about - a lot of Mid-Sized and Big Law firms and some elite boutiques. Some from Norcal (i.e. dla piper and Jones Day SF, also a Menlo Park or Palo Alto sprinkled in) but some local biggies (K&L Gates, Reed Smith, Sullivan Cromwell). I take it to mean that they are doing OCI at UCLA and USC and don't feel its worth it to come to campus when they will only consider a handful of top propsects anyways.

Oh and I second this

for all the shit it takes on TLS, I'd say that's pretty damn impressive ITE

[General Tso]

dla piper isn't even coming to Hastings. Sounds good....further proof that USNWR is vastly overrated by TLS and law applicants at large.

How many bids does Pepperdine allow each student to place?

[270910]

DLA Piper isn't even coming to Hastings. Sounds good....further proof that USNWR is vastly overrated by TLS and law applicants at large.

How many bids does Pepperdine allow each student to place?

dla piper does its interviews later. It may still not go to Hastings, but it currently isn't signed up to go to any law school because they just do their process later in the fall.

Also, I am highly skeptical of the pepperdine data, because I haven't heard of any school with nearly that many resume collects. I don't want to say I think people are lying or wrong, but I suspect some people might be looking at, say, the 'jobs and resume collect' tab on Symplicity without filtering it down to 2L summer spots, for example.