Summer Associate Class of 2016 Forum

[Anonymous User]

How long between the oral and the written offer? I got an oral offer on 7/30 and they had apparently planned on giving written offers the same day but the person responsible was busy so they were gonna email offer letters the following Monday. Nothing yet, wondering whether I should bother recruiting ... (Small program with 3 SAs so shouldn't be a huge admin effort if that makes a difference.)

[Londonbear]

Can we do a run through of what firms this summer were 100% offer rate?

[TheoO]

Can we do a run through of what firms this summer were 100% offer rate?

Kind of pointless since we can't really know much about the cold offer rate.

[Anonymous User]

Can we do a run through of what firms this summer were 100% offer rate?

At the Weil NY farewell event, the excutive partner announced everyone received an offer.

[Anonymous User]

Can we do a run through of what firms this summer were 100% offer rate?

Pretty sure everyone at Cahill received a (warm) offer.

[Anonymous User]

Can we do a run through of what firms this summer were 100% offer rate?

Kirkland NY got 100% offers, heard cold offers are not a thing at the NY office.

[tyrant_flycatcher]

Can we do a run through of what firms this summer were 100% offer rate?

I don't get the obsession with putting a firm on blast because it didn't offer one person who almost certainly deserved what they got.

If a firm doesn't hire three or four people, then alert the masses. But is anyone really going to choose a firm based on whether it had a 99% or 100% offer rate, especially when the 100% firm probably would have also no-offered the summer that the 99% firm no-offered, had the summer ended up there?

[Anonymous User]

Can we do a run through of what firms this summer were 100% offer rate?

Kirkland NY got 100% offers, heard cold offers are not a thing at the NY office.

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[BmoreOrLess]

Can we do a run through of what firms this summer were 100% offer rate?

I don't get the obsession with putting a firm on blast because it didn't offer one person who almost certainly deserved what they got.

If a firm doesn't hire three or four people, then alert the masses. But is anyone really going to choose a firm based on whether it had a 99% or 100% offer rate, especially when the 100% firm probably would have also no-offered the summer that the 99% firm no-offered, had the summer ended up there?

Eh, if it's a smaller class, and the firm has a pattern of no-offering a person or two, it's probably worth it to know if nothing more to be on guard when the inevitable "we expect to give everyone offers" line comes out from the hiring partner. But yea, one person getting no offered in a 60 person class shouldn't be a factor in anyone's decision.

And regarding 100% not being a useful metric without knowing the cold offer rate, a cold offer is significantly better than a no offer. I probably would have taken a 100% firm with a 30% cold offer rate than a 90% full offer firm.

[lavarman84]

Got an offer. Definitely felt good.(that I didn't manage to fail to meet the low bar they set for me)

[Babum]

Can we do a run through of what firms this summer were 100% offer rate?

I don't get the obsession with putting a firm on blast because it didn't offer one person who almost certainly deserved what they got.

If a firm doesn't hire three or four people, then alert the masses. But is anyone really going to choose a firm based on whether it had a 99% or 100% offer rate, especially when the 100% firm probably would have also no-offered the summer that the 99% firm no-offered, had the summer ended up there?

Eh, if it's a smaller class, and the firm has a pattern of no-offering a person or two, it's probably worth it to know if nothing more to be on guard when the inevitable "we expect to give everyone offers" line comes out from the hiring partner. But yea, one person getting no offered in a 60 person class shouldn't be a factor in anyone's decision.

And regarding 100% not being a useful metric without knowing the cold offer rate, a cold offer is significantly better than a no offer. I probably would have taken a 100% firm with a 30% cold offer rate than a 90% full offer firm.

Just like people who see the low employment rates at lower ranked Law schools listen about not going to those schools?

[Anonymous User]

Hogan Lovells NY was 100% warm offer, but no offer letters yet

[Anonymous User]

Can we do a run through of what firms this summer were 100% offer rate?

Kirkland NY got 100% offers, heard cold offers are not a thing at the NY office.

Kirkland Chicago got 100% offers as well, have heard similar things about the "no cold offers" thing.

[Anonymous User]

Kirkland DC 100% offers as well. Go K&E

[Anonymous User]

It amuses me that firms are no marketing to their associates "no cold offers" . . . while still giving cold offers. Because who would know the difference?

[Slytherpuff]

It amuses me that firms are no marketing to their associates "no cold offers" . . . while still giving cold offers. Because who would know the difference?

Word would still get out - firm gossip is a very real thing!

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[Winter is Coming]

I had firms at oci tell me they offered everyone the past summer when I knew that wasn't the case (unless anyone would have a reason to tell me they got no offered even though they got an offer, cold or not). I don't think it was necessarily malicious, just casual lying that everyone does during oci.

The crazy part about that though is that you can look up on NALP and see "29/30" offers (which is also echoed on Vault), so it's really weird to lie about that. I have a feeling it was probably associates or partners who are not really involved in the summer program/hiring saying that. To purposefully lie about something that is published is pretty dumb and/or unethical.

ETA: At OCI you'd only be able to see stats for the previous year, but the data eventually gets published.

[Anonymous User]

I had firms at oci tell me they offered everyone the past summer when I knew that wasn't the case (unless anyone would have a reason to tell me they got no offered even though they got an offer, cold or not). I don't think it was necessarily malicious, just casual lying that everyone does during oci.

The crazy part about that though is that you can look up on NALP and see "29/30" offers (which is also echoed on Vault), so it's really weird to lie about that. I have a feeling it was probably associates or partners who are not really involved in the summer program/hiring saying that. To purposefully lie about something that is published is pretty dumb and/or unethical.

ETA: At OCI you'd only be able to see stats for the previous year, but the data eventually gets published.

One person in my summer class go no offered and none of the associates knew. They went around congratulating everyone on the last day and just assumed everyone got offers so i can definitely see this being the case.

[Slytherpuff]

Maybe it depends on the firm and the situation, my firm cold-offered someone the previous summer and most of my class found out about it from associates early on in the summer (because the person was apparently an awful human being and people liked to talk about how horrible you'd need to be to get cold-offered).

[Anonymous User]

I had firms at oci tell me they offered everyone the past summer when I knew that wasn't the case (unless anyone would have a reason to tell me they got no offered even though they got an offer, cold or not). I don't think it was necessarily malicious, just casual lying that everyone does during oci.

The crazy part about that though is that you can look up on NALP and see "29/30" offers (which is also echoed on Vault), so it's really weird to lie about that. I have a feeling it was probably associates or partners who are not really involved in the summer program/hiring saying that. To purposefully lie about something that is published is pretty dumb and/or unethical.

ETA: At OCI you'd only be able to see stats for the previous year, but the data eventually gets published.

One person in my summer class go no offered and none of the associates knew. They went around congratulating everyone on the last day and just assumed everyone got offers so i can definitely see this being the case.

Similar thing happened at my firm. Most of the partners didn't even know.

[Anonymous User]

How long between the oral and the written offer?

Different anon but same question. One week out and no letter yet.

[RaceJudicata]

How long between the oral and the written offer?

Different anon but same question. One week out and no letter yet.

I got mine within about 7 business days. But don't fret... there haven't been any financial meltdowns/firm collapses in the last week. They aren't gonna rescind.

[Anonymous User]

Has anyone else not received a written offer yet? I'm starting to worry...