1L Summer Job Search C/O 2017 Forum

[Anonymous User]

Anyone renege on a job?

I accepted a judicial internship, but now there's a firm potentially offering. Anyone know how bad this would be? I'd like to pm any older people if they have experience and are reading this

Also curious but in the context of public sector/non-profit --> firm more generally.

[Anonymous User]

Anyone renege on a job?

I accepted a judicial internship, but now there's a firm potentially offering. Anyone know how bad this would be? I'd like to pm any older people if they have experience and are reading this

Also curious but in the context of public sector/non-profit --> firm more generally.

Some people say in the current economy it's ok to be selfish and look out for yourself, but personally I feel like this is just bad form once you've committed. If you're seriously thinking about it, it's probably a lot less important when the job you are reneging on is in a market you're not interested in later, especially for judicial internships in smaller markets.
Another thing re: first poster is that you said another firm is "potentially" offering. If a firm is definitely making an offer, you could probably talk it out with the judge you accepted to intern with. But you'd be stupid to say no to the judge unless you're 100% sure you've got the offer lined up.

Anyway, I'm not an older person with experience, just another 1L looking for summer work. It might be more acceptable than I think it is, but at least out of professional integrity it would bother me enough that I wouldn't do it.

[Anonymous User]

Received emails from 2 in-house apps saying they're closing the position (i.e. not hiring). Is this normal or just a passive aggressive ding?

[Anonymous User]

Wilson Sonsini D.C. ding.

[Anonymous User]

Anyone renege on a job?

I accepted a judicial internship, but now there's a firm potentially offering. Anyone know how bad this would be? I'd like to pm any older people if they have experience and are reading this

Ive heard its not good form

Do you plan on practicing in the area/state

[Anonymous User]

Anyone renege on a job?

I accepted a judicial internship, but now there's a firm potentially offering. Anyone know how bad this would be? I'd like to pm any older people if they have experience and are reading this

Ive heard its not good form

Do you plan on practicing in the area/state

Yeah. I'm hoping I can feel it out and make a call. If I was in their position I think I wouldn't be offended by someone choosing 30k over 0. But I want to know if it's worth takin the callback a the firm or not even bothering

[Anonymous User]

i think if your going unpaid to firm its understandable if you get that type of opportunity, i think unpaid to unpaid would be in bad taste. nobodies going to fault you for taking 30K when its offered to you. you can just explain you didn't think you would get it when u took the doj/usao or whatever job

[Anonymous User]

what the heck does diversity mean for the purposes of 1L jobs? i am have a relatively diverse background in my parents, but don't look it, nor do i speak the language of my parents. also have some other diverse factors. just wondering if i'm a whitewashed ethnicity, with no lgbt background if people are going to look at me skeptically when i show up.

[runinthefront]

Anyone renege on a job?

I accepted a judicial internship, but now there's a firm potentially offering. Anyone know how bad this would be? I'd like to pm any older people if they have experience and are reading this

Ive heard its not good form

Do you plan on practicing in the area/state

Yeah. I'm hoping I can feel it out and make a call. If I was in their position I think I wouldn't be offended by someone choosing 30k over 0. But I want to know if it's worth takin the callback a the firm or not even bothering

I think many, if not all, CSO offices, tell you to not apply to judicial internships if you're not willing to accept them on the spot--so I would imagine reneging on the internship is pretty poor form.

That being said, $30k is a lot of money, and I can't attest to the possible repercussion of reneging; yeah, you will hurt your chances of being able to clerk with that judge post-grad, but it is even questionable that they'll remember you 1-5 years from now, even if you are trying to clerk with them (though they may or may not have your records/I don't know).

If I were you, I would just talk to your CSO about this. They should understand what a big difference $30k makes since most of them have only been out of school 5-10 years (at least here). Hopefully, they'll give you better/more solid advice than anyone on here can give

[A. Nony Mouse]

i think if your going unpaid to firm its understandable if you get that type of opportunity, i think unpaid to unpaid would be in bad taste. nobodies going to fault you for taking 30K when its offered to you. you can just explain you didn't think you would get it when u took the doj/usao or whatever job

Eh, I think it's better to explain taking the paid job in terms of your future goals and the opportunities it opens up to you. Saying "I took your position because I didn't think I'd get a paid job but now I did" to someone who's probably given up a bunch of money in the private sector to work as a judge is not that good a look.

Which isn't to say, don't renege on the judge; just be more politic if you decide to do so.

[runinthefront]

what the heck does diversity mean for the purposes of 1L jobs? i am have a relatively diverse background in my parents, but don't look it, nor do i speak the language of my parents. also have some other diverse factors. just wondering if i'm a whitewashed ethnicity, with no lgbt background if people are going to look at me skeptically when i show up.

if they didn't think you were "diverse" enough for the job, you wouldn't have gotten the screener/callback

you're fine; now go and kill whatever interview you have and if they ask you about diversity, play your background up

[Anonymous User]

Anyone renege on a job?

I accepted a judicial internship, but now there's a firm potentially offering. Anyone know how bad this would be? I'd like to pm any older people if they have experience and are reading this

Ive heard its not good form

Do you plan on practicing in the area/state

Yeah. I'm hoping I can feel it out and make a call. If I was in their position I think I wouldn't be offended by someone choosing 30k over 0. But I want to know if it's worth takin the callback a the firm or not even bothering

I think many, if not all, CSO offices, tell you to not apply to judicial internships if you're not willing to accept them on the spot--so I would imagine reneging on the internship is pretty poor form.

That being said, $30k is a lot of money, and I can't attest to the possible repercussion of reneging; yeah, you will hurt your chances of being able to clerk with that judge post-grad, but it is even questionable that they'll remember you 1-5 years from now, even if you are trying to clerk with them (though they may or may not have your records/I don't know).

If I were you, I would just talk to your CSO about this. They should understand what a big difference $30k makes since most of them have only been out of school 5-10 years (at least here). Hopefully, they'll give you better/more solid advice than anyone on here can give

I talked with a current clerk, and he said his judge takes it really seriously. It's alright, it'll be a fun summer.

[Anonymous User]

i think if your going unpaid to firm its understandable if you get that type of opportunity, i think unpaid to unpaid would be in bad taste. nobodies going to fault you for taking 30K when its offered to you. you can just explain you didn't think you would get it when u took the doj/usao or whatever job

Eh, I think it's better to explain taking the paid job in terms of your future goals and the opportunities it opens up to you. Saying "I took your position because I didn't think I'd get a paid job but now I did" to someone who's probably given up a bunch of money in the private sector to work as a judge is not that good a look.

Which isn't to say, don't renege on the judge; just be more politic if you decide to do so.

Agree. I would absolutely see how a judge would be offended by someone reneging on an internship offer just for the money. Saying it to his face would only make it worse.
I would definitely do the callback. It's great experience for next year anyway, and right now you don't know for sure that you have an offer. Once you do get the offer, and if you decide to take it, put some thought into how you're going to break it to the judge.

Don't ask CSO for their advice. It's obvious they'll tell you not to do it. People have given you constructive reasons why you shouldn't, but they'll have a different sort of motivation. They'll be worried about the reputation of the school and how bad it'll reflects on it that one of the students reneged on an offer.

[kartelite]

I think many, if not all, CSO offices, tell you to not apply to judicial internships if you're not willing to accept them on the spot--so I would imagine reneging on the internship is pretty poor form.

I don't think anyone should ever expect a job applicant to commit on the spot...that's just poor form and not fair to the applicant or other prospective employers.

Reneging is also poor form, and you shouldn't count on that judge (or court?) to consider you in the future. However, you've presumably taken contracts and that whole class is about people reneging on their promises, so if the firm job is a really big deal to you and you decide it's worth it, just write a very polite letter and move on with your life.

[A. Nony Mouse]

I don't think anyone should ever expect a job applicant to commit on the spot...that's just poor form and not fair to the applicant or other prospective employers.

Just keep in mind that there are judges who will expect this. Probably not as many as CSOs claim, but they're out there.

[runinthefront]

I don't think anyone should ever expect a job applicant to commit on the spot...that's just poor form and not fair to the applicant or other prospective employers.

Just keep in mind that there are judges who will expect this. Probably not as many as CSOs claim, but they're out there.

I purposely avoided applying to judicial internships for this reason, actually (luckily, it worked out). Two of my close friends are working for the same federal judge this summer, and both were offered and expected to accept over the phone.

It's crazy--I mean, the second kid figured out the deal after the first, but they both originally thought that the phone interview they were having with the judge was simply a screener. Nah.

I think it's relatively unfair, but these judges are used to possessing a lot of power, so I don't think they really think anything of it--and at least most CSOs tip you off ahead of time. So it's reasonable for them to get upset, I guess

[Anonymous User]

Didn't Kirkland NYC do on campus interviews at H? Anyone know what happened with that?

[Anonymous User]

Didn't Kirkland NYC do on campus interviews at H? Anyone know what happened with that?

i, for one, was dinged w/o callback

[Anonymous User]

a friend of mine (at H) had a callback there last week but he has been killing it

[Anonymous User]

I thought I'd chime in. Top 25% at T1 in a large market.
Dings:
Alston & Bird
Andrews Kurth
Baker McKenzie
Bracewell & Giuliani
Gibson Dunn
Sidley Austin

Upcoming interviews:
K&L Gates
2 local midsized firms. I haven't figured out what they pay but I think it's somewhere around $2,000/week.

I've also already accepted an internship with a Federal Magistrate.

[Anonymous User]

Someone posted a ding from Norton Rose Fulbright's Dallas office a while back. Has anyone been offered an interview yet?

[Anonymous User]

Does anyone know what kidn of pay to expect from in-house jobs? what amount should I say when they say what do you expect?

[Anonymous User]

Andrews kurth Dallas still has offers to make

[Anonymous User]

I don't think anyone should ever expect a job applicant to commit on the spot...that's just poor form and not fair to the applicant or other prospective employers.

Just keep in mind that there are judges who will expect this. Probably not as many as CSOs claim, but they're out there.

I purposely avoided applying to judicial internships for this reason, actually (luckily, it worked out). Two of my close friends are working for the same federal judge this summer, and both were offered and expected to accept over the phone.

It's crazy--I mean, the second kid figured out the deal after the first, but they both originally thought that the phone interview they were having with the judge was simply a screener. Nah.

I think it's relatively unfair, but these judges are used to possessing a lot of power, so I don't think they really think anything of it--and at least most CSOs tip you off ahead of time. So it's reasonable for them to get upset, I guess

Renege at your own risk. There's a very reasonable chance the judge will make sure you suffer at least some proportional career harm from this.

[Anonymous User]

Are internships at F500 companies usually paid?