Columbia EIP 2014 Forum

[Anonymous User]

PW callback wednesday. No news today. previous post said they found out the next day. So much for that dream.

This is not totally relevant - it all depends on when in the week the hiring committee meets, so it could be 1 day or 5 days.

[Anonymous User]

PW's hiring committee is meeting twice a week, but not sure what day. I think they used to meet on Wednesdays, but not sure if that is still true.

PW (two day turnaround) and STB (one day turnaround) offers yesterday.

[Anonymous User]

I have only 1 cb so far, but I haven't heard back from 16 firms yet, including 3 from last week. Also, based on the info here, most of the 16 firms have not contacted people yet, at least for my interviewers. Should I be worried? Or should I keep cool until say Wednesday next week?

3L here. I highly highly recommend talking to OCS right now. A bunch of people struck out of EIP in my class, but many of these same people were still able to get big firm jobs through mass mailing and backdoor options that OCS has available. But these options are only available if you act quickly. The more time that passes, the less effective mass mailing becomes. The closer you get to classes starting, the fewer spots open for OCS to put you into consideration. Definitely don't wait. At the worst you talk to OCS for 30 minutes and spend some time sending out some applications that you didn't need to send. You never know with these things, so better to be cautious and expand your options as much as possible.

[Anonymous User]

PW callback wednesday. No news today. previous post said they found out the next day. So much for that dream.

This is not totally relevant - it all depends on when in the week the hiring committee meets, so it could be 1 day or 5 days.

Last year a friend and I interviewed on the same day at PW. He had a next day offer (thurs->fri) and I got my offer on monday.

[Anonymous User]

PW callback wednesday. No news today. previous post said they found out the next day. So much for that dream.

This is not totally relevant - it all depends on when in the week the hiring committee meets, so it could be 1 day or 5 days.

Last year a friend and I interviewed on the same day at PW. He had a next day offer (thurs->fri) and I got my offer on monday.

Yea this makes sense. They have a huge pile of candidates they need to go through, so it's certainly possible that they don't get to all of them during one meeting

[Anonymous User]

I have only 1 cb so far, but I haven't heard back from 16 firms yet, including 3 from last week. Also, based on the info here, most of the 16 firms have not contacted people yet, at least for my interviewers. Should I be worried? Or should I keep cool until say Wednesday next week?

3L here. I highly highly recommend talking to OCS right now. A bunch of people struck out of EIP in my class, but many of these same people were still able to get big firm jobs through mass mailing and backdoor options that OCS has available. But these options are only available if you act quickly. The more time that passes, the less effective mass mailing becomes. The closer you get to classes starting, the fewer spots open for OCS to put you into consideration. Definitely don't wait. At the worst you talk to OCS for 30 minutes and spend some time sending out some applications that you didn't need to send. You never know with these things, so better to be cautious and expand your options as much as possible.

Thanks for the advice!

[Anonymous User]

PW callback wednesday. No news today. previous post said they found out the next day. So much for that dream.

This is not totally relevant - it all depends on when in the week the hiring committee meets, so it could be 1 day or 5 days.

Last year a friend and I interviewed on the same day at PW. He had a next day offer (thurs->fri) and I got my offer on monday.

3L here. Same thing. CB Thursday --> offer Monday night

[Anonymous User]

anything from Baker McKenzie, Baker Botts, Cadwalader (TP)?

[Anonymous User]

Pw committee met yesterday. They gave offers last night to people from other schools but I'm not sure if any from cls

[Anonymous User]

What are these backdoor options? just curious.

[Anonymous User]

Does anyone have any idea about how law firms "manage their yield"? Do firms run rounds of callbacks to see who actually accepts? Is it possible to be in limbo between a ding and a callback?

[Anonymous User]

Sorry to bring this up again - but anything from Deb JL??

I thought the interview went well and this is a firm I really wanted. Obviously expect the worst at this point, but really want some closure.

[Anonymous User]

Does anyone have any idea about how law firms "manage their yield"? Do firms run rounds of callbacks to see who actually accepts? Is it possible to be in limbo between a ding and a callback?

Ya that's what I'm feeling right now. Many of mine haven't got back to me yet. I'm thinking maybe some of them gave cbs out already but also have some kind of a waitlist, so if people decline their cbs or if they don't find candidates that fit from the cbs already conducted, they might reach out to people on the list. No info to support this tho, pure speculation.

[Anonymous User]

Does anyone have any idea about how law firms "manage their yield"? Do firms run rounds of callbacks to see who actually accepts? Is it possible to be in limbo between a ding and a callback?

Ya that's what I'm feeling right now. Many of mine haven't got back to me yet. I'm thinking maybe some of them gave cbs out already but also have some kind of a waitlist, so if people decline their cbs or if they don't find candidates that fit from the cbs already conducted, they might reach out to people on the list. No info to support this tho, pure speculation.

Ok, great. Glad I'm not the only one.

[Anonymous User]

What are these backdoor options? just curious.

OCS has a better sense of what firms are still looking than you will doing mass mailing. As incompetent as they are, OCS has good relationships with firm recruiting offices and might be able to bump you ahead in the line if the firms are searching for additional people. There's the story of the Kent scholar who struck out of EIP where OCS called firms individually asking if they wanted to interview the person. In addition there are fellowships and smaller firms who didn't do eip but still pay market. OCS will have a good handle on those opportunities.

But no matter what, don't wait. If you think you're in trouble, talk to OCS as soon as possible. These options become less effective over time and OCI is by no means a replacement for EIP. The sooner you start to mass mail and branch out, the more options you will have. The longer you wait, the fewer opportunities will be available.

[Anonymous User]

anything from Baker McKenzie, Baker Botts, Cadwalader (TP)?

CB both Baker McKenzie and Baker Botts

[Anonymous User]

Law firms absolutely manage yield. The impression I got from recruiting at my SA is that it's a lot like LS admissions in that, based on prior history, you expect to be able to convert X% of offers into acceptances. The metrics are delicate and firms will necessarily need to string some people along in case some manipulation needs to be done. For example, a V20 last summer tried to do some extra callbacks for women because, for some reason or another, ~70% of their SA class were men. This is a firm that is fairly well known to be a great place for women. Similarly, you don't want to do a ton of callbacks if you expect the majority of offerees to accept, because then you have too many people.

[Anonymous User]

Sorry to bring this up again - but anything from Deb JL??

I thought the interview went well and this is a firm I really wanted. Obviously expect the worst at this point, but really want some closure.

I'm also waiting on this interviewer. I also thought my interview went well, and overall I've had a decent number of callbacks from the interviews I subjectively thought went well. I think there's a non-negligible chance this interviewer just hasn't done calls yet.

[Anonymous User]

I remember OCS gave us a percentage of people who got jobs through EIP last year, and it seemed extremely high and optimistic - does anyone know what percentage that was?

And does anyone else feel that more people are striking out than should be expected? I know a bunch of people who seem perfectly normal/friendly/charming and they haven't gotten any CBs at all, which to me seems insane.

[Anonymous User]

How will offers come usually? By phone? Email?

[Anonymous User]

How will offers come usually? By phone? Email?

Phone.

[Anonymous User]

I remember OCS gave us a percentage of people who got jobs through EIP last year, and it seemed extremely high and optimistic - does anyone know what percentage that was?

And does anyone else feel that more people are striking out than should be expected? I know a bunch of people who seem perfectly normal/friendly/charming and they haven't gotten any CBs at all, which to me seems insane.

It was 84%, I believe.

[Anonymous User]

I haven't seen anyone post BSF lit on here or heard of anyone with my interviewer getting a CB. Does anyone know of a CB going out?

[jbagelboy]

I remember OCS gave us a percentage of people who got jobs through EIP last year, and it seemed extremely high and optimistic - does anyone know what percentage that was?

And does anyone else feel that more people are striking out than should be expected? I know a bunch of people who seem perfectly normal/friendly/charming and they haven't gotten any CBs at all, which to me seems insane.

It was 84%, I believe.

It was 86%, but in the past few years it's ranged from low 80's to 92%.

[Anonymous User]

Does it ever happen that the same interviewer makes CBs over the span of few days?

Yes, but it seems to be rare (particularly in New York).