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Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 6:52 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Same anon as before, just wondering if anyone had heard from Edelson/knows anyone that did?

I know someone considering an offer from Edelson at the moment.

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 6:53 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Took an informal survey among people I know, and it seems like NUers did better this year than last, even with the cold wall put up by Chi firms.

Yeah lots of ca and NYC love.

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 6:59 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Took an informal survey among people I know, and it seems like NUers did better this year than last, even with the cold wall put up by Chi firms.
Yeah lots of ca and NYC love.

There also seems to actually be a good amount of Chicago love, just most people aren't flaunting it for fear of backlash.

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 7:22 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Took an informal survey among people I know, and it seems like NUers did better this year than last, even with the cold wall put up by Chi firms.
Yeah lots of ca and NYC love.
There also seems to actually be a good amount of Chicago love, just most people aren't flaunting it for fear of backlash.

^^Yup.

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 8:53 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Took an informal survey among people I know, and it seems like NUers did better this year than last, even with the cold wall put up by Chi firms.
Yeah lots of ca and NYC love.
There also seems to actually be a good amount of Chicago love, just most people aren't flaunting it for fear of backlash.
^^Yup.

Can you guys comment on whether the chicago love is to a large degree transactional? That's been my impression-that people who were all in on lit in Chi had a harder time, but curious whether thats consistent with who you know.

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 9:37 pm

Anonymous User wrote: There also seems to actually be a good amount of Chicago love, just most people aren't flaunting it for fear of backlash.

No problem, we'll all get into a closet and giggle together.

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 10:55 pm

Definitely mostly transactional. Heard from one person they were explicitly told they were rejected largely due to only expressing interest in lit. Talked to many others who felt similarly (though not explicitly told).

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 10:56 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote: There also seems to actually be a good amount of Chicago love, just most people aren't flaunting it for fear of backlash.
No problem, we'll all get into a closet and giggle together.

I don't get it, are you saying people should flaunt it and make others feel bad for striking out? Or do you just generally think people who got jobs in Chi should feel guilty? Perhaps I'm missing the connotation here.

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 11:46 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote: There also seems to actually be a good amount of Chicago love, just most people aren't flaunting it for fear of backlash.
No problem, we'll all get into a closet and giggle together.
I don't get it, are you saying people should flaunt it and make others feel bad for striking out? Or do you just generally think people who got jobs in Chi should feel guilty? Perhaps I'm missing the connotation here.

Lol - what? Nobody should feel guilty about getting Chicago - it's just been tough for a lot of people so it's generally not polite to walk around and talk about it. But since we're talking data points and I generally have no interest in being polite: I had no trouble cracking the Chicago market without any ties although I did stress a transactional interest.

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 8:33 am

Anonymous User wrote:I don't get it, are you saying people should flaunt it and make others feel bad for striking out? Or do you just generally think people who got jobs in Chi should feel guilty? Perhaps I'm missing the connotation here.

Nobody feels guilty. In fact, we're on Cloud 9 and wanna dance. It's jus that we're mindful of the minority of students who didn't get anything (yet).

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 11:00 am

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote: There also seems to actually be a good amount of Chicago love, just most people aren't flaunting it for fear of backlash.
No problem, we'll all get into a closet and giggle together.
I don't get it, are you saying people should flaunt it and make others feel bad for striking out? Or do you just generally think people who got jobs in Chi should feel guilty? Perhaps I'm missing the connotation here.
Lol - what? Nobody should feel guilty about getting Chicago - it's just been tough for a lot of people so it's generally not polite to walk around and talk about it. But since we're talking data points and I generally have no interest in being polite: I had no trouble cracking the Chicago market without any ties although I did stress a transactional interest.

Anecdotal: I was gung-ho lit and was still able to crack Chicago, so Chicago wasn't ALL dead

bananasplit19 · Post by **bananasplit19** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 11:10 am

Anonymous User wrote:Anecdotal: I was gung-ho lit and was still able to crack Chicago, so Chicago wasn't ALL dead

No one is saying the Chicago market is ALL dead.

It just so happens that the Chicago market is MOSTLY dead. There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive.

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 11:44 am

bananasplit19 wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Anecdotal: I was gung-ho lit and was still able to crack Chicago, so Chicago wasn't ALL dead
No one is saying the Chicago market is ALL dead.

It just so happens that the Chicago market is MOSTLY dead. There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive.

Anecdotal: Friends with 3.7+gpa got shut out of Chi, while others with 3.1gpa's got NYC love.
Remember those SAT Analogy questions?
NYC is to Chicago, as Awakening is to Life-Support

lhanvt13 · Post by **lhanvt13** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 12:18 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
bananasplit19 wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Anecdotal: I was gung-ho lit and was still able to crack Chicago, so Chicago wasn't ALL dead
No one is saying the Chicago market is ALL dead.

It just so happens that the Chicago market is MOSTLY dead. There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive.
Anecdotal: Friends with 3.7+gpa got shut out of Chi, while others with 3.1gpa's got NYC love.
Remember those SAT Analogy questions?
NYC is to Chicago, as Awakening is to Life-Support

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 1:42 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
bananasplit19 wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Anecdotal: I was gung-ho lit and was still able to crack Chicago, so Chicago wasn't ALL dead
No one is saying the Chicago market is ALL dead.

It just so happens that the Chicago market is MOSTLY dead. There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive.
Anecdotal: Friends with 3.1gpa's got NYC love.

Can speak to this as well (NYC AmLaw 100 as well).

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 1:49 pm

Anecdotal: Friends with 3.7+gpa got shut out of Chi, while others with 3.1gpa's got NYC love.

More acecdata: Friend with higher GPA+LR shut out from Chicago (no midwest ties), but with several V5 offers.

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 2:18 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anecdotal: Friends with 3.7+gpa got shut out of Chi, while others with 3.1gpa's got NYC love.
More acecdata: Friend with higher GPA+LR shut out from Chicago (no midwest ties), but with several V5 offers.

shutout = no KE or Sidley and wouldn't take other Chicago offers... or actually shut out?

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 2:21 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anecdotal: Friends with 3.7+gpa got shut out of Chi, while others with 3.1gpa's got NYC love.
More acecdata: Friend with higher GPA+LR shut out from Chicago (no midwest ties), but with several V5 offers.
shutout = no KE or Sidley and wouldn't take other Chicago offers... or actually shut out?

Know 3.5's with Sidley/Kirkland.

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 3:53 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anecdotal: Friends with 3.7+gpa got shut out of Chi, while others with 3.1gpa's got NYC love.
More acecdata: Friend with higher GPA+LR shut out from Chicago (no midwest ties), but with several V5 offers.
shutout = no KE or Sidley and wouldn't take other Chicago offers... or actually shut out?
Know 3.5's with Sidley/Kirkland.

All 2 of them?

bananasplit19 · Post by **bananasplit19** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 4:43 pm

Sigh, was hoping my "mostly dead" post would spur on a Princess Bride quote-fest. NULAW, you disappoint me.

Cobretti · Post by **Cobretti** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 5:37 pm

bananasplit19 wrote:Sigh, was hoping my "mostly dead" post would spur on a Princess Bride quote-fest. NULAW, you disappoint me.

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 5:54 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anecdotal: Friends with 3.7+gpa got shut out of Chi, while others with 3.1gpa's got NYC love.

shutout = no KE or Sidley and wouldn't take other Chicago offers... or actually shut out?
Know 3.5's with Sidley/Kirkland.
All 2 of them?

and did they really want to do M and A?

All the anecdata points to Chicago being tough, especially if you wanted to do Litigation. That means probably a fair number of good gpas being shut out entirely and some missing Kirkland/Sidley and deciding that NYC was a better career move. I have a friend in the latter camp. But while they went 3 for 3 on callbacks in NY, they only went 1 for 5 in Chicago. Just because you know someone with a 3.5 that got Kirkland doesn't mean Chicago wasn't objectively a hard market and that a ton of people got slaughtered.

On a semi-related note. Does anyone want to confirm/deny the rumor that Mayer Brown told a bunch of the lit people in its summer class this year they could only have offers if they did transactional?

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 6:37 pm

Anonymous User wrote:On a semi-related note. Does anyone want to confirm/deny the rumor that Mayer Brown told a bunch of the lit people in its summer class this year they could only have offers if they did transactional?

tried confirming this for the last month to no avail... but i can confirm they said they are targeting a class size of 30 this year (down from 40 in previous years).

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 8:08 pm

Is anyone from our class going to Mayer Brown Chi?

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 8:11 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Is anyone from out class going to Mayer Brown Chi?

Declined MB NYC offer. MB not exactly sinking, but springing multiple leaks.

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