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Re: You will get 0 substantiv trial experience as BL Lit Associa

Post by 911 crisis actor » Mon Sep 29, 2014 8:31 pm

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sadly i was already there. as the prestigious fifth chair of a trial team where the ninth year associate got to "argue" our frivolous motions in limine, bullshit jury instructions, and defend irrelevant TTT witness depos, i can confirm the contents of this thread are 100% accurate. oh and the fanciest senior partner got schooled by a bunch of shitlawyers because it turns out juries like biglaw partners even less than most lawyers do.
John Quinn really that unlikeable huh

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Re: You will get 0 substantiv trial experience as BL Lit Associa

Post by A. Nony Mouse » Mon Sep 29, 2014 8:48 pm

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patogordo wrote:i don't think he's talking about hoarding hours so much as hoarding valuable/substantive work
Hmm, yeah I reread his post and I guess that makes sense.

I guess I'm concerned still because the whole description by DF conflicts with my own experience - and seems borderline made up, like when he claimed to have never seen a case in discovery, despite working biglaw lit for a whole year - so I can't help but wonder if there's some serious trolling going on.
I hear IP is different and IP folk are special snowflakes?

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Re: You will get 0 substantiv trial experience as BL Lit Associa

Post by patogordo » Mon Sep 29, 2014 8:50 pm

somehow i doubt DF is complaining because they only let him draft infringement contentions and not motions to.compel

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Re: You will get 0 substantiv trial experience as BL Lit Associa

Post by A. Nony Mouse » Mon Sep 29, 2014 9:01 pm

I'd probably agree if I had any idea what that meant.

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Re: You will get 0 substantiv trial experience as BL Lit Associa

Post by Desert Fox » Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:34 am

OneMoreLawHopeful wrote:But that's the point - you did doc review. If you look at page 2 DF is claiming he doesn't even do that.
I didn't mean to say I have never done doc review, it's just not really my job for the most part. I've done doc review, but only as part of two big projects unrelated to my practice area.

One of the cases I'm marginally involved in is reviewing docs. But we have K workers doing it all. I was going to QC, but we apparently have a staff Attorney doing it.

I've seen the results of discovery. I've just never written a document request, a motion to compel, or an interrogatory.

Some of this is probably just luck, for 6 months I was on a case that was always one month from discovery, but it never happened. But even on that case, my role probably wouldn't have been discovery.

I jumped to a new case that will probably do some discovery for a retrial.
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Re: You will get 0 substantiv trial experience as BL Lit Associa

Post by Desert Fox » Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:45 am

patogordo wrote:somehow i doubt DF is complaining because they only let him draft infringement contentions and not motions to.compel
Midlevels do that.

The only substantive court things I've done is 1) write a complaint. 2) write the technical parts of an expert witness declaration.

I actually led some witness interviews because I was point man on technology in a very high tech case. But, that was very atypical. I was the only associate on the witness trip. It was 4 partners, 1 of counsel and me. A partner had to convince the client to let me even attend.

I also led expert witness and consultant meetings for the same reason. But I was flying way above my rank on that case. Not typical.

But now that the case settled, I'm back to doing absolutely nothing substantive.
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Re: You will get 0 substantiv trial experience as BL Lit Associa

Post by baal hadad » Tue Sep 30, 2014 12:19 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
patogordo wrote:somehow i doubt DF is complaining because they only let him draft infringement contentions and not motions to.compel
Midlevels do that.

The only substantive court things I've done is 1) write a complaint. 2) write the technical parts of an expert witness declaration.

I actually led some witness interviews because I was point man on technology in a very high tech case. But, that was very atypical. I was the only associate on the witness trip. It was 4 partners, 1 of counsel and me. A partner had to convince the client to let me even attend.

I also led expert witness and consultant meetings for the same reason. But I was flying way above my rank on that case. Not typical.

But now that the case settled, I'm back to doing absolutely nothing substantive.
Do you have work at least?

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Re: You will get 0 substantiv trial experience as BL Lit Associa

Post by Desert Fox » Tue Sep 30, 2014 12:33 pm

September was brutal. I'm joining a new case now but with a different team than normal. I'm replacing a 3rd year who quit so it might be a great experience for me.
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Re: You will get 0 substantiv trial experience as BL Lit Associa

Post by baal hadad » Tue Sep 30, 2014 1:05 pm

Desert Fox wrote:September was brutal. I'm joining a new case now but with a different team than normal. I'm replacing a 3rd year who quit so it might be a great experience for me.
A bunch of work above your pay grade w ample opportunities to fuck up? Rad

Just hopped on a case that's going to final admin proceeding so I just got told to accept no more work

Might get pretty hairy here

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Re: You will get 0 substantiv trial experience as BL Lit Associa

Post by patogordo » Tue Sep 30, 2014 1:10 pm

i just wrote a motion to compel for docs it turns out we already had

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Re: You will get 0 substantiv trial experience as BL Lit Associa

Post by Desert Fox » Tue Sep 30, 2014 1:26 pm

baal hadad wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:September was brutal. I'm joining a new case now but with a different team than normal. I'm replacing a 3rd year who quit so it might be a great experience for me.
A bunch of work above your pay grade w ample opportunities to fuck up? Rad

Just hopped on a case that's going to final admin proceeding so I just got told to accept no more work

Might get pretty hairy here
It's better than fucking up dumb work. I don't trust myself to do mindless work.
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Re: You will get 0 substantiv trial experience as BL Lit Associa

Post by baal hadad » Tue Sep 30, 2014 1:28 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
baal hadad wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:September was brutal. I'm joining a new case now but with a different team than normal. I'm replacing a 3rd year who quit so it might be a great experience for me.
A bunch of work above your pay grade w ample opportunities to fuck up? Rad

Just hopped on a case that's going to final admin proceeding so I just got told to accept no more work

Might get pretty hairy here
It's better than fucking up dumb work. I don't trust myself to do mindless work.
True. On monotonous things my attention wanders

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Re: You will get 0 substantiv trial experience as BL Lit Associa

Post by baal hadad » Tue Sep 30, 2014 1:33 pm

patogordo wrote:i just wrote a motion to compel for docs it turns out we already had
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Re: You will get 0 substantiv trial experience as BL Lit Associa

Post by silky bruh » Tue Sep 30, 2014 1:35 pm

patogordo wrote:i just wrote a motion to compel for docs it turns out we already had
hey, sounds like you work at my firm!

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Re: You will get 0 substantiv trial experience as BL Lit Associa

Post by smallfirmassociate » Tue Sep 30, 2014 1:59 pm

patogordo wrote:i just wrote a motion to compel for docs it turns out we already had
Legal equivalent of when I ask my wife where my keys are while I'm holding them in my hand.

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