UChicago OCI 2014 Forum

[Neal Patrick Harris]

1. Sidley (Chi) 84 good
2. Kirkland (Chi) 84 good
3. Skadden (Chi) 84 good
4. Latham (Chi) 61 good
5. Cleary (NY) 42 too early -- Many got this around 12-13-14 last year. Put at 11 if you want to be safe.
6. Davis Polk (NY) 42 same as cleary
7. Weil (NY) 21 good
8. Fried Frank (NY) 21 good but consider deleting considering grades
9. Paul Weiss (NY) 42 good (should be around 8, if you move DPW/Cleary you'll be good)
10. Shearman (NY) 21 Good but same safety comment as FF
11. White & Case (NY) 21 Good but same safety comment as FF
12. Latham (NY) 31 Good with cleary/dpw move (to be clear they should go after latham)
13. Simpson Thatcher (NY) 57 Good after cleary/dpw
14. Boies Corporate (NY) 21 Probably won't get this here. put in place of fried
15. Sullivan & Cromwell (NY) 42 good
16. Cravath (NY) 38 good.
17. Skadden (NY) 42 won't get. Try to fit in top 10
18. Debevoise (NY) 63 good but try to put higher if there's room.
19. Wachtell (NY) 42 Good
20. Freshfields (NY) 21 Might not get - this firm is hard to predict.

Overall a very good start and I can tell you've done your research. Everything is in play (though maybe not wlrk b/c journal.)--I think it's a very smart bidlist considering grades and you will feast at OCI. It's hard to think of a corporate firm you're missing in NY and you have the top firms in Chicago. You may not need the safeties but they're there and it seems like you have room for them. Swap Skadden with Fried Frank (you won't need the FF interview anyway), maybe bump deb up a little, swap freshfields with a safety firm if you have an international focus, delete the other safety, and otherwise incorporate my suggestions above and you're good to go.

I've seen around 15 bidlists and this is the best first draft I've seen (unless of course you're someone who's contacted me via pm)

[2014]

I told someone else this by PM but if you are just adding in a firm or two in a 3rd/4th market, or are filling your bid list w/ a hodgepodge of firms, I personally wouldn't stress about the ethics of full disclosure when someone asks "where else are you interviewing". I had random secondaries on mine because they didn't fill and I didn't ever give a laundry list to interviewers.

Re: the bidlist above, you should get all of those with the potential exception of Shearman which fills relatively early. I think 7th should be fine though.

Idk maybe I'm paranoid but my worry even with the padding at the end would be like I'd say: "Oh I'm only bidding X and Y markets" then the interviewer I tell that to like sees me walking into an interview with a firm in market Z. Idk how the interview rooms are laid out or anything but I'm just worried about being deceptive at all I guess.

The question comes up much less than you'd expect. it perhaps happens at the callback stage more but it's still a rather rare question.

I got it from every single Chicago firm, NY didn't ask once.

Crowing there's significantly less than 1% risk of that happening. It's a long hallway with a bunch of doors, the interviewers only emerge during their scheduled breaks and even then most just chill in the room on their blackberries glancing at more resumes. To the extent that they do emerge and see you, they will absolutely have no idea which room is for which firm. Like 3 firms all of OCI brought in branding to tape to the doors, most of the time it was just a spreadsheet with the firm name in 12 pt font, no attorney is going to investigate that. Then even if they DID investigate that, there's no way that they are going to remember your interview with them 3 hours and 12 people ago and the fact that you didn't disclose X market, only Y and Z.

TL;Dr This didn't concern me or most of my classmates I knew who had a few straggler market interviews and it shouldn't concern you imo.

[skers]

179.5, no journal. Would like to stay in Chicago ideally but want to go to firm with a strong corporate practice first and foremost.

1. Sidley (Chi) 84
2. Kirkland (Chi) 84
3. Skadden (Chi) 84
4. Latham (Chi) 61
5. Cleary (NY) 42
6. Davis Polk (NY) 42
7. Weil (NY) 21
8. Fried Frank (NY) 21
9. Paul Weiss (NY) 42
10. Shearman (NY) 21
11. White & Case (NY) 21
12. Latham (NY) 31
13. Simpson Thatcher (NY) 57
14. Boies Corporate (NY) 21
15. Sullivan & Cromwell (NY) 42
16. Cravath (NY) 38
17. Skadden (NY) 42
18. Debevoise (NY) 63
19. Wachtell (NY) 42
20. Freshfields (NY) 21

Thoughts?

No reason to have Wachtell this high. You can drop them to the 40's and be fine. Cravath and Boies Corp can be dropped as well. Don't necessarily agree w/ all the comments from NPH. While you'll probably be fine, you should have some combo of FF/Shearman in there. Consider adding GDC NY and Wilkie in the late teens early 20's.

Other than that, it really comes down to how much you want to be in Chicago. There's not an awful lot of options you've given yourself on that front and you're following the prestige a little bit. It obviously comes down to w/e you want to do, but the corporate practices at , say, McDermott or Mayer aren't exactly chopped liver.

[Neal Patrick Harris]

179.5, no journal. Would like to stay in Chicago ideally but want to go to firm with a strong corporate practice first and foremost.

1. Sidley (Chi) 84
2. Kirkland (Chi) 84
3. Skadden (Chi) 84
4. Latham (Chi) 61
5. Cleary (NY) 42
6. Davis Polk (NY) 42
7. Weil (NY) 21
8. Fried Frank (NY) 21
9. Paul Weiss (NY) 42
10. Shearman (NY) 21
11. White & Case (NY) 21
12. Latham (NY) 31
13. Simpson Thatcher (NY) 57
14. Boies Corporate (NY) 21
15. Sullivan & Cromwell (NY) 42
16. Cravath (NY) 38
17. Skadden (NY) 42
18. Debevoise (NY) 63
19. Wachtell (NY) 42
20. Freshfields (NY) 21

Thoughts?

No reason to have Wachtell this high. You can drop them to the 40's and be fine. Cravath and Boies Corp can be dropped as well. Don't necessarily agree w/ all the comments from NPH. While you'll probably be fine, you should have some combo of FF/Shearman in there. Consider adding GDC NY and Wilkie in the late teens early 20's.

Other than that, it really comes down to how much you want to be in Chicago. There's not an awful lot of options you've given yourself on that front and you're following the prestige a little bit. It obviously comes down to w/e you want to do, but the corporate practices at , say, McDermott or Mayer aren't exactly chopped liver.

Thought I'd clarify.

I guess I just know some people with bad personalities who ended up at v15s with 178.2s (and less). I can't imagine someone with a 179.5 striking out in NY--if they were to, I can't imagine these safeties would save them. Also, once you're over a cutoff, your chances of a callback are virtually the same at v10s than at safeties (sometimes even better--see STB's 60+% callback rate). Finally, if you feel like you're doing poorly over the first week (which you'll know because NY moves very fast), you can start picking up interviews during add/drop or asking interviewers if they can squeeze you in. Should you want to add in safeties, GDC NY should be a priority after willkie/ff/shearman (especially considering Willkie & Co are a bit less grade-selective/less-known so they will be bid by those with bad grades and thus require a higher bid, but also because strength in corporate).

IMO removing the safeties and guaranteeing an interview with Skadden NY/Debevoise is the way to go. My impression is that these two firms care less about personality and have a large number of interview slots, and are thus good safeties for someone with a 179.5, and they are better at corporate than the safeties listed, too.

Re: Other Chi firms: I agree with this approach and though you shouldn't scoff at Mayer/McDermott they both require relatively high bids and aren't as much bang for your buck if you're willing to be in NY. Preference in market seems like it exists from this bidlist, but quality of work seems to be valued higher so I'm evaluating on that basis. No one's going to argue that there's better corporate work at McDermott Chicago than it is at STB NY (if someone does this, don't trust anything they say). Exit options are also pretty different from these two firms, so I'm not sure it's right to say OP is chasing prestige. It's my impression that adding these firms would require a top-10 spot.

OP--use both sides as data points and make your decision from there. I think Sker is a good devil's advocate wrt other chicago firms and the inclusion of safeties.

[Neal Patrick Harris]

I told someone else this by PM but if you are just adding in a firm or two in a 3rd/4th market, or are filling your bid list w/ a hodgepodge of firms, I personally wouldn't stress about the ethics of full disclosure when someone asks "where else are you interviewing". I had random secondaries on mine because they didn't fill and I didn't ever give a laundry list to interviewers.

Re: the bidlist above, you should get all of those with the potential exception of Shearman which fills relatively early. I think 7th should be fine though.

Idk maybe I'm paranoid but my worry even with the padding at the end would be like I'd say: "Oh I'm only bidding X and Y markets" then the interviewer I tell that to like sees me walking into an interview with a firm in market Z. Idk how the interview rooms are laid out or anything but I'm just worried about being deceptive at all I guess.

The question comes up much less than you'd expect. it perhaps happens at the callback stage more but it's still a rather rare question.

I got it from every single Chicago firm, NY didn't ask once.

Huh, didn't happen to me! Maybe it's because I had ties visible on my resume/interest section.

As 2014 said, a few one-off firms aren't going to hurt you and the chances of interviewers colluding about you in particular are very low. I'd avoid getting like 10 interviews in rando markets because then it's harder to say you're targeting NY/CHI with a straight face, but if this is only going to yield >5 interviews, then I don't think it'll matter.

[Crowing]

Am I blind? I only see Boies litigation and not Boies corporate on the Symplicity OCI list.

[2014]

I agree w/ both skers and NPH on that bid list. A safe NY heavy bid list should have as many as possible of FF/Shearman/Milbank/Wilkie/GDC/W&C/WilmerHale/Proskauer all of which hire large classes and are less competitive here than V#'s (whatever # Debevoise is now). You basically necessarily have to sacrifice those one for one for every Chi firm you add to your list but the question you need to ask yourself for each and every one is "Would I take X Chi firm over Y NY firm". Assuming your list is composed of firms that you are competitive for given your grades/resume/ties then you will be fine. In that regard I agree w/ NPH that at 179.5 it would take a heroic effort to strike out of the V#.

[Anonymous User]

179.5 -- no journal -- 2 yr work exp -- Chi or DC (ties to both) -- litigation.

Dont know what Im doing with strategic bidding, but Ive done my homework on firms and should interview well. Thoughts?

1. K&E, 84, Chicago
2. Sidley, 84, Chicago
3. Jenner, 63, Chicago
4. Jones Day, 21, Chicago
5. Skadden, 84, Chicago
6. Mayer Brown, 63, Chicago
7. Gibson Dunn, 21, DC
8. Mayer Brown, 21, DC
9. K&E, 21, DC
10. Boies Schiller, 21, DC
11. Williams & Connolly, 38, DC
12. Covington, 21, DC
13. Jones Day, 21, DC
14. Skadden, 21, DC
15. Jenner, 21, DC
16. Schiff, 84, Chicago
17. Winston, 42, Chicago
18. Winston, 21, DC

[Neal Patrick Harris]

Can't comment on DC but I'll give Chi a whirl. My guess is W&C can go down.. they didn't fill up last year.

1. K&E, 84, Chicago k
2. Sidley, 84, Chicago k
3. Jenner, 63, Chicago k
4. Jones Day, 21, Chicago k (can go down 4 spots if needed)
5. Skadden, 84, Chicago k (can go down 2 spots if needed)
6. Mayer Brown, 63, Chicago (bump to 5 if you have the room, not necessary though)
7. Gibson Dunn, 21, DC
8. Mayer Brown, 21, DC
9. K&E, 21, DC
10. Boies Schiller, 21, DC
11. Williams & Connolly, 38, DC
12. Covington, 21, DC
13. Jones Day, 21, DC
14. Skadden, 21, DC
15. Jenner, 21, DC
16. Schiff, 84, Chicago (probably a miss)
17. Winston, 42, Chicago (miss)
18. Winston, 21, DC

[skers]

Just as a general comment to something I've seen a bit, it's kind of hard to decide what to put #1 since w/e goes there feels wrong, but I'd do something w/ few slots to make sure I've got an interview there, rather than something w/ 84 slots where I can still pick it up elsewhere in my top 5-10.

[skers]

179.5, no journal. Would like to stay in Chicago ideally but want to go to firm with a strong corporate practice first and foremost.

1. Sidley (Chi) 84
2. Kirkland (Chi) 84
3. Skadden (Chi) 84
4. Latham (Chi) 61
5. Cleary (NY) 42
6. Davis Polk (NY) 42
7. Weil (NY) 21
8. Fried Frank (NY) 21
9. Paul Weiss (NY) 42
10. Shearman (NY) 21
11. White & Case (NY) 21
12. Latham (NY) 31
13. Simpson Thatcher (NY) 57
14. Boies Corporate (NY) 21
15. Sullivan & Cromwell (NY) 42
16. Cravath (NY) 38
17. Skadden (NY) 42
18. Debevoise (NY) 63
19. Wachtell (NY) 42
20. Freshfields (NY) 21

Thoughts?

No reason to have Wachtell this high. You can drop them to the 40's and be fine. Cravath and Boies Corp can be dropped as well. Don't necessarily agree w/ all the comments from NPH. While you'll probably be fine, you should have some combo of FF/Shearman in there. Consider adding GDC NY and Wilkie in the late teens early 20's.

Other than that, it really comes down to how much you want to be in Chicago. There's not an awful lot of options you've given yourself on that front and you're following the prestige a little bit. It obviously comes down to w/e you want to do, but the corporate practices at , say, McDermott or Mayer aren't exactly chopped liver.

Thought I'd clarify.

I guess I just know some people with bad personalities who ended up at v15s with 178.2s (and less). I can't imagine someone with a 179.5 striking out in NY--if they were to, I can't imagine these safeties would save them. Also, once you're over a cutoff, your chances of a callback are virtually the same at v10s than at safeties (sometimes even better--see STB's 60+% callback rate). Finally, if you feel like you're doing poorly over the first week (which you'll know because NY moves very fast), you can start picking up interviews during add/drop or asking interviewers if they can squeeze you in. Should you want to add in safeties, GDC NY should be a priority after willkie/ff/shearman (especially considering Willkie & Co are a bit less grade-selective/less-known so they will be bid by those with bad grades and thus require a higher bid, but also because strength in corporate).

IMO removing the safeties and guaranteeing an interview with Skadden NY/Debevoise is the way to go. My impression is that these two firms care less about personality and have a large number of interview slots, and are thus good safeties for someone with a 179.5, and they are better at corporate than the safeties listed, too.

Re: Other Chi firms: I agree with this approach and though you shouldn't scoff at Mayer/McDermott they both require relatively high bids and aren't as much bang for your buck if you're willing to be in NY. Preference in market seems like it exists from this bidlist, but quality of work seems to be valued higher so I'm evaluating on that basis. No one's going to argue that there's better corporate work at McDermott Chicago than it is at STB NY (if someone does this, don't trust anything they say). Exit options are also pretty different from these two firms, so I'm not sure it's right to say OP is chasing prestige. It's my impression that adding these firms would require a top-10 spot.

OP--use both sides as data points and make your decision from there. I think Sker is a good devil's advocate wrt other chicago firms and the inclusion of safeties.

Yeah, this is fair. Unless you truly suck, you will get cbs->offers at S&C, STB, ect. To meet in the middle here, I'd probably keep one safety (shearman/ff), stop vault chasing (i.e. there's no reason to have Boies corp. that high for any reason you've put out there), and consider what you're comfortable w/ wrt the tier 2 Chi corp practices. Feel free to PM me to walk through anything on that front.

[Neal Patrick Harris]

Yeah, this is fair. Unless you truly suck, you will get cbs->offers at S&C, STB, ect. To meet in the middle here, I'd probably keep one safety (shearman/ff), stop vault chasing (i.e. there's no reason to have Boies corp. that high for any reason you've put out there), and consider what you're comfortable w/ wrt the tier 2 Chi corp practices. Feel free to PM me to walk through anything on that front.

Agree. Especially with bolded.

[Anonymous User]

178.3, secondary journal
Bay Area/Seattle > Chicago
Only interested in litigation. Appreciate any feedback.

1. Gibson Dunn (SF) (12)
2. Davis Polk (SV) (21)
3. Boies Schiller (Oakland) (21)
4. K & L Gates (SEA) (10)
5. Perkins Coie (SEA) (21)
6. Jenner & Block (Chi) (63)
7. Kirkland & Ellis (Chi) (84)
8. Sidley Austin (Chi) (84)
9. MoFo (SF) (21)
10. Latham (SF) (22)
11. Skadden (Chi) (84)
12. O'Melveny & Myers (SF) (21)
13. Fenwick & West (SV) (21)
14. Orrick (SV) (21)
15. Wilson Sonsini (SV) (40)
16. Cooley (SV) (42)
17. Mayer Brown (Chi) (63)
18. Winston & Strawn (Chi) (42)
19. Ropes & Gray (SF) (42)
20. McDermott Will & Emery (Chi) (63)
21. Dechert (SF) (21)
22. Sheppard Mullin (SF) (21)
23. Schiff Hardin (Chi) (84)

[Neal Patrick Harris]

Can only comment on chi

1. Gibson Dunn (SF) (12)
2. Davis Polk (SV) (21)
3. Boies Schiller (Oakland) (21)
4. K & L Gates (SEA) (10)
5. Perkins Coie (SEA) (21)
6. Jenner & Block (Chi) (63) fine
7. Kirkland & Ellis (Chi) (84) too late move to 3-5
8. Sidley Austin (Chi) (84) too late move to 3-5
9. MoFo (SF) (21)
10. Latham (SF) (22)
11. Skadden (Chi) (84) too late move to 7-9
12. O'Melveny & Myers (SF) (21)
13. Fenwick & West (SV) (21)
14. Orrick (SV) (21)
15. Wilson Sonsini (SV) (40)
16. Cooley (SV) (42)
17. Mayer Brown (Chi) (63) way too late. I think mayer required top 10ish last year.
18. Winston & Strawn (Chi) (42) idk i didn't bid b/c no offers
19. Ropes & Gray (SF) (42)
20. McDermott Will & Emery (Chi) (63) too late but idk what bid it requires
21. Dechert (SF) (21)
22. Sheppard Mullin (SF) (21)
23. Schiff Hardin (Chi) (84) not a chance

[WheninLaw]

178.3, secondary journal
Bay Area/Seattle > Chicago
Only interested in litigation. Appreciate any feedback.

1. Gibson Dunn (SF) (12)
2. Davis Polk (SV) (21)
3. Boies Schiller (Oakland) (21)
4. K & L Gates (SEA) (10)
5. Perkins Coie (SEA) (21)
6. Jenner & Block (Chi) (63)
7. Kirkland & Ellis (Chi) (84)
8. Sidley Austin (Chi) (84)
9. MoFo (SF) (21)
10. Latham (SF) (22)
11. Skadden (Chi) (84)
12. O'Melveny & Myers (SF) (21)
13. Fenwick & West (SV) (21)
14. Orrick (SV) (21)
15. Wilson Sonsini (SV) (40)
16. Cooley (SV) (42)
17. Mayer Brown (Chi) (63)
18. Winston & Strawn (Chi) (42)
19. Ropes & Gray (SF) (42)
20. McDermott Will & Emery (Chi) (63)
21. Dechert (SF) (21)
22. Sheppard Mullin (SF) (21)
23. Schiff Hardin (Chi) (84)

Comments:

1. Probably not getting Gibson with a 178. It is a very small office. Guessing you can drop it down a few spots.
2. DPW is almost all corporate in the SV office. Just FYI.
3. Unlikely to get Boies with 178.
4. Mofo is strangely popular at UoC, you should move them to top 5.
5. Fenwick generally hires for IP/corporate. Why do you want to work there if you're all litigation?
6. I doubt you're getting Orrick/Sheppard Mullin that late, but it entirely depends on how many people in your class are looking at nor cal.

Overall: Your list worries me. I think you'll miss out on interviews with most of these firms - and for the ones you will get, your gpa is somewhat lacking. Recommend moving things around (your targets are MoFo, Cooley, etc....not Gibson/Boies). Also, you have a bunch of firms that don't make sense for someone that only wants to do litigation. I think you need to focus more.

[Anonymous User]

180.5, no journal, 2-4 years work experience. thoughts?

1. Kirkland - Chicago
2. Gibson Dunn - NY
3. Morrison & Foerster - NY
4. Paul Weiss - NY
5. Skadden - NY
6. Cleary Gottlieb - NY
7. Davis Polk - NY
8. Shearman & Sterling – NY
9. Morrison Foerster - SF
10. Gibson Dunn - SF
11. Simpson Thacher - NY
12. Debevoise - NY
13. Cravath - NY
14. Sullivan Cromwell - NY
15. Munger Tolles - LA
16. Weil Gotshal - NY
17. Allen & Overy - NY
18. Freshfields - NY
19. White & Case - NY
20. Jones Day - NY
21. Proskauer - NY
22. Wachtell - NY

[Anonymous User]

180.5, no journal, 2-4 years work experience. thoughts?

1. Kirkland - Chicago
2. Gibson Dunn - NY
3. Morrison & Foerster - NY
4. Paul Weiss - NY
5. Skadden - NY
6. Cleary Gottlieb - NY
7. Davis Polk - NY
8. Shearman & Sterling – NY
9. Morrison Foerster - SF
10. Gibson Dunn - SF
11. Simpson Thacher - NY
12. Debevoise - NY
13. Cravath - NY
14. Sullivan Cromwell - NY
15. Munger Tolles - LA
16. Weil Gotshal - NY
17. Allen & Overy - NY
18. Freshfields - NY
19. White & Case - NY
20. Jones Day - NY
21. Proskauer - NY
22. Wachtell - NY

Dat Kirkland or GTFO

[Neal Patrick Harris]

only commenting on chi/ny since i don't have # of sa's hired and # of interview slots.

1. Kirkland - Chicago k
2. Gibson Dunn - NY k
3. Morrison & Foerster - NY k
4. Paul Weiss - NY k
5. Skadden - NY k
6. Cleary Gottlieb - NY k
7. Davis Polk - NY k
8. Shearman & Sterling – NY k
9. Morrison Foerster - SF
10. Gibson Dunn - SF
11. Simpson Thacher - NY k
12. Debevoise - NY k
13. Cravath - NY k
14. Sullivan Cromwell - NY k
15. Munger Tolles - LA
16. Weil Gotshal - NY too late --put in top 10
17. Allen & Overy - NY no too late
18. Freshfields - NY no "
19. White & Case - NY no "
20. Jones Day - NY no "
21. Proskauer - NY no "
22. Wachtell - NY k "

[2014]

only commenting on chi/ny since i don't have # of sa's hired and # of interview slots.

1. Kirkland - Chicago k
2. Gibson Dunn - NY k
3. Morrison & Foerster - NY k
4. Paul Weiss - NY k
5. Skadden - NY k
6. Cleary Gottlieb - NY k
7. Davis Polk - NY k
8. Shearman & Sterling – NY k
9. Morrison Foerster - SF
10. Gibson Dunn - SF
11. Simpson Thacher - NY k
12. Debevoise - NY k
13. Cravath - NY k
14. Sullivan Cromwell - NY k
15. Munger Tolles - LA
16. Weil Gotshal - NY too late --put in top 10
17. Allen & Overy - NY no too late
18. Freshfields - NY no "
19. White & Case - NY no "
20. Jones Day - NY no "
21. Proskauer - NY no "
22. Wachtell - NY k "

I agree with this in terms of will you get them or not. Not sure why Gibson NY is bid so high, it fills in the mid to late teens I think. You might get white and case or freshfields where you have them but <50% chance. You can get Cravath at least 5 spots lower, S&C a few spots lower. Make sure you fill your bid list after with the rest of the NY firms that you didn't include here.

Also move wachtell and munger to 48 and 49 respectively, they don't fill and you shouldn't give them a spot over any other firms that might fill as a result.

[Neal Patrick Harris]

only commenting on chi/ny since i don't have # of sa's hired and # of interview slots.

1. Kirkland - Chicago k
2. Gibson Dunn - NY k
3. Morrison & Foerster - NY k
4. Paul Weiss - NY k
5. Skadden - NY k
6. Cleary Gottlieb - NY k
7. Davis Polk - NY k
8. Shearman & Sterling – NY k
9. Morrison Foerster - SF
10. Gibson Dunn - SF
11. Simpson Thacher - NY k
12. Debevoise - NY k
13. Cravath - NY k
14. Sullivan Cromwell - NY k
15. Munger Tolles - LA
16. Weil Gotshal - NY too late --put in top 10
17. Allen & Overy - NY no too late
18. Freshfields - NY no "
19. White & Case - NY no "
20. Jones Day - NY no "
21. Proskauer - NY no "
22. Wachtell - NY k "

I agree with this in terms of will you get them or not.

Yup. That's basically all I'm doing unless people ask

[Anonymous User]

only commenting on chi/ny since i don't have # of sa's hired and # of interview slots.

1. Kirkland - Chicago k
2. Gibson Dunn - NY k
3. Morrison & Foerster - NY k
4. Paul Weiss - NY k
5. Skadden - NY k
6. Cleary Gottlieb - NY k
7. Davis Polk - NY k
8. Shearman & Sterling – NY k
9. Morrison Foerster - SF
10. Gibson Dunn - SF
11. Simpson Thacher - NY k
12. Debevoise - NY k
13. Cravath - NY k
14. Sullivan Cromwell - NY k
15. Munger Tolles - LA
16. Weil Gotshal - NY too late --put in top 10
17. Allen & Overy - NY no too late
18. Freshfields - NY no "
19. White & Case - NY no "
20. Jones Day - NY no "
21. Proskauer - NY no "
22. Wachtell - NY k "

I agree with this in terms of will you get them or not.

Yup. That's basically all I'm doing unless people ask

This is the anon above -- would appreciate some thoughts on whether I should even bid some of the firms above, or if there are firms that I should bid that I haven't. Transactional-leaning, but open to litigation. Also would like to know if I'm bidding too many markets. Thanks!

[Anonymous User]

only commenting on chi/ny since i don't have # of sa's hired and # of interview slots.

1. Kirkland - Chicago k
2. Gibson Dunn - NY k
3. Morrison & Foerster - NY k
4. Paul Weiss - NY k
5. Skadden - NY k
6. Cleary Gottlieb - NY k
7. Davis Polk - NY k
8. Shearman & Sterling – NY k
9. Morrison Foerster - SF
10. Gibson Dunn - SF
11. Simpson Thacher - NY k
12. Debevoise - NY k
13. Cravath - NY k
14. Sullivan Cromwell - NY k
15. Munger Tolles - LA
16. Weil Gotshal - NY too late --put in top 10
17. Allen & Overy - NY no too late
18. Freshfields - NY no "
19. White & Case - NY no "
20. Jones Day - NY no "
21. Proskauer - NY no "
22. Wachtell - NY k "

I agree with this in terms of will you get them or not.

Yup. That's basically all I'm doing unless people ask

This is the anon above -- would appreciate some thoughts on whether I should even bid some of the firms above, or if there are firms that I should bid that I haven't. Transactional-leaning, but open to litigation. Also would like to know if I'm bidding too many markets. Thanks!

If u're leaning corporate then Gibson Dunn NYC at #2 seems kind of like a waste

[Anonymous User]

only commenting on chi/ny since i don't have # of sa's hired and # of interview slots.

1. Kirkland - Chicago k
2. Gibson Dunn - NY k
3. Morrison & Foerster - NY k
4. Paul Weiss - NY k
5. Skadden - NY k
6. Cleary Gottlieb - NY k
7. Davis Polk - NY k
8. Shearman & Sterling – NY k
9. Morrison Foerster - SF
10. Gibson Dunn - SF
11. Simpson Thacher - NY k
12. Debevoise - NY k
13. Cravath - NY k
14. Sullivan Cromwell - NY k
15. Munger Tolles - LA
16. Weil Gotshal - NY too late --put in top 10
17. Allen & Overy - NY no too late
18. Freshfields - NY no "
19. White & Case - NY no "
20. Jones Day - NY no "
21. Proskauer - NY no "
22. Wachtell - NY k "

This is the anon above -- would appreciate some thoughts on whether I should even bid some of the firms above, or if there are firms that I should bid that I haven't. Transactional-leaning, but open to litigation. Also would like to know if I'm bidding too many markets. Thanks!

I don't think splitting Cali/NY + K&E is bad. Credentials are good so there's nothing to worry about there. Agree that Gibson is kind of a waste.

Firms look good. it appears you've looked at Chambers. If others want to chime in with which addtl firms feel free.

Some of these firms can go further down on your bidlist but that advice has already been given ITT.

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How low can Ivins be bid?

[2014]

only commenting on chi/ny since i don't have # of sa's hired and # of interview slots.

1. Kirkland - Chicago k
2. Gibson Dunn - NY k
3. Morrison & Foerster - NY k
4. Paul Weiss - NY k
5. Skadden - NY k
6. Cleary Gottlieb - NY k
7. Davis Polk - NY k
8. Shearman & Sterling – NY k
9. Morrison Foerster - SF
10. Gibson Dunn - SF
11. Simpson Thacher - NY k
12. Debevoise - NY k
13. Cravath - NY k
14. Sullivan Cromwell - NY k
15. Munger Tolles - LA
16. Weil Gotshal - NY too late --put in top 10
17. Allen & Overy - NY no too late
18. Freshfields - NY no "
19. White & Case - NY no "
20. Jones Day - NY no "
21. Proskauer - NY no "
22. Wachtell - NY k "

I agree with this in terms of will you get them or not.

Yup. That's basically all I'm doing unless people ask

This is the anon above -- would appreciate some thoughts on whether I should even bid some of the firms above, or if there are firms that I should bid that I haven't. Transactional-leaning, but open to litigation. Also would like to know if I'm bidding too many markets. Thanks!

I agree Gibson Dunn NYC doesn't make a ton of sense. If you are looking for other firms to move up, I think White and Case is an obvious contender for an overall good corporate practice. Milbank could be included and Proskauer could be bumped up. Cadwalader could be included as well.

You aren't going to get all of those, but they all have strong corporate practices.