HLS EIP 2014 Forum

[Anonymous User]

Bid list in my first attempt of making an order. Any help/suggestions would be much appreciated!!! 5H-5Ps. Strong Ties to DC and less strong ties to Chicago

1) Goodwin Procter (DC)
2) Arnold and Porter (DC)
3) DLA Piper (DC)
4) Boies Schiller (DC)
5) Jones Day (DC)
6) Rope & Gray (Chicago)
7) Latham & Watkins (DC)
Sullivan & Cromwell (DC)
9) Beveridge and Diamond (DC)
10) Wilmer Hale (DC)
11) Venable (DC)
12) Mayer Brown (DC)
13) Sidley Austin (DC)
14) Akin Gump (DC)
15) William & Connolly (DC)
16) Reed Smith (Chicago)
17) hogan lovells (DC)
18) Hunton & Williams (DC)
19) Gibson Dunn (DC)
20) Morrison & Foerster
21) Winston & Strawn (Chicago) 82
22) Cleary, Gottlieb, Steen & Hamilton (DC)
23) Bingham McCutchen (DC)
24) Vinson & Elkins (DC)
25) Cromwell & Moring (DC)
26) Skadden (Chicago)
27) O’Melveny (DC)
28) Wiley Rein (DC)
29) Paul Weiss (DC)
30) Jenner & Block (DC)
31) Cadwalader, Wickersham & Taft (DC)
32) Fried Frank Harris Shriver & Jacobson (DC)
33) Steptoe & Johnson (DC)
34) Covington & Burling (DC)
35) Kirkland (Chicago)

[ph14]

Bid list in my first attempt of making an order. Any help/suggestions would be much appreciated!!!

1) Goodwin Procter (DC)
2) Arnold and Porter (DC)
3) DLA Piper (DC)
4) Boies Schiller (DC)
5) Jones Day (DC)
6) Rope & Gray (Chicago)
7) Latham & Watkins (DC)
Sullivan & Cromwell (DC)
9) Beveridge and Diamond (DC)
10) Wilmer Hale (DC)
11) Venable (DC)
12) Mayer Brown (DC)
13) Sidley Austin (DC)
14) Akin Gump (DC)
15) William & Connolly (DC)
16) Reed Smith (Chicago)
17) Hogan Lovells (DC)
18) Hunton & Williams (DC)
19) Gibson Dunn (DC)
20) Morrison & Foerster
21) Winston & Strawn (Chicago) 82
22) Cleary, Gottlieb, Steen & Hamilton (DC)
23) Bingham McCutchen (DC)
24) Vinson & Elkins (DC)
25) Cromwell & Moring (DC)
26) Skadden (Chicago)
27) O’Melveny (DC)
28) Wiley Rein (DC)
29) Paul Weiss (DC)
30) Jenner & Block (DC)
31) Cadwalader, Wickersham & Taft (DC)
32) Fried Frank Harris Shriver & Jacobson (DC)
33) Steptoe & Johnson (DC)
34) Covington & Burling (DC)
35) Kirkland (Chicago)

Grades? Ties?

[Anonymous User]

Is there any way we can access our bid lists from last year? If so, I'd be happy to post how some of my DC bids turned out in terms of getting a screener.

[ls05]

Any thoughts on bidding DC with 1 H? Planning to bid less selective firms and use 15 bids on a back-up market but I was still wondering if it's basically hopeless

[Anonymous User]

for cravath, i know you're supposed to bring a UG transcript, but how bad is it if you have <<25%ile UGPA? i have top 1/3 1L grades and am a URM with pretty softs/good interviewing skills. will they care if my UG grades were actual shit? are there any firms that look at UG transcripts that will care?

[delusional]

for cravath, i know you're supposed to bring a UG transcript, but how bad is it if you have <<25%ile UGPA? i have top 1/3 1L grades and am a URM with pretty softs/good interviewing skills. will they care if my UG grades were actual shit? are there any firms that look at UG transcripts that will care?

Do you mean <25% for your undergrad institution, or for HLS? If you mean HLS, I cannot imagine that a 3.5 GPA would rule out from Cravath a top 1/3 URM. But even if it would, you are in great position and there are ten comparable firms that are right in your cross hairs.

[CicerBRo]

hi all, sorry to be annoying with another one of these, but any/all feedback would be appreciated! 2H/8P (both Hs were in spring semester):

Paul Weiss
Davis Polk & Wardwell LLP
Proskauer Rose
Jones Day
Paul Hastings
Shearman & Sterling
Sidley Austin
Clifford Chance
Hogan Lovells
Latham
Cahill
Goodwin Procter
Fried Frank
Orrick
Milbank
Wilkie Farr
Cadwalader
Bingham McCutchen
Fenwick & West
Linklaters
Fitzpatrick Cella Harper & Scinto
Debevoise
Arnold Porter
DLA Piper
White & Case
Covington
Akin Gump
K&L Gates
Dechert
Bois, Schiller & Flexner
Jenner & Block
Schulte
Kay Schouler
Gibson Dunn
Chadbourne

i tried to be as conservative as possible with a few reaches (i know GD is grade sensitive, but...). interested in litigation, employment, entertainment/media, not very interesting work experience (mostly writing-based), and not sure where i stand as an interviewer. should i be looking into mass mailing (who?) before EIP? thanks!!

2 H is around median, and from what I've heard from talking to OCS and others, this list looks great. I would suggest adding Skadden; they have a large class size and are known for looking beyond grades. You don't need to mail anyone before EIP; you have a good mix of firms in this list.

I don't want to mislead you, though. Does anyone know if he/she listed any firms that are extremely grade conscious and that, with 2 Hs, he/she would have trouble with?

[delusional]

hi all, sorry to be annoying with another one of these, but any/all feedback would be appreciated! 2H/8P (both Hs were in spring semester):

Paul Weiss
Davis Polk & Wardwell LLP
Proskauer Rose
Jones Day
Paul Hastings
Shearman & Sterling
Sidley Austin
Clifford Chance
Hogan Lovells
Latham
Cahill
Goodwin Procter
Fried Frank
Orrick
Milbank
Wilkie Farr
Cadwalader
Bingham McCutchen
Fenwick & West
Linklaters
Fitzpatrick Cella Harper & Scinto
Debevoise
Arnold Porter
DLA Piper
White & Case
Covington
Akin Gump
K&L Gates
Dechert
Bois, Schiller & Flexner
Jenner & Block
Schulte
Kay Schouler
Gibson Dunn
Chadbourne

i tried to be as conservative as possible with a few reaches (i know GD is grade sensitive, but...). interested in litigation, employment, entertainment/media, not very interesting work experience (mostly writing-based), and not sure where i stand as an interviewer. should i be looking into mass mailing (who?) before EIP? thanks!!

2 H is around median, and from what I've heard from talking to OCS and others, this list looks great. I would suggest adding Skadden; they have a large class size and are known for looking beyond grades. You don't need to mail anyone before EIP; you have a good mix of firms in this list.

I don't want to mislead you, though. Does anyone know if he/she listed any firms that are extremely grade conscious and that, with 2 Hs, he/she would have trouble with?

Boies lit is super grade selective. Also, I think that for 2H you should have more firms like Kramer Levin, Stroock, etc.
I know nothing about Fitzpatrick Cella, except that telenovelas have less drama. Search ATL.

[CicerBRo]

hi all, sorry to be annoying with another one of these, but any/all feedback would be appreciated! 2H/8P (both Hs were in spring semester):

Paul Weiss
Davis Polk & Wardwell LLP
Proskauer Rose
Jones Day
Paul Hastings
Shearman & Sterling
Sidley Austin
Clifford Chance
Hogan Lovells
Latham
Cahill
Goodwin Procter
Fried Frank
Orrick
Milbank
Wilkie Farr
Cadwalader
Bingham McCutchen
Fenwick & West
Linklaters
Fitzpatrick Cella Harper & Scinto
Debevoise
Arnold Porter
DLA Piper
White & Case
Covington
Akin Gump
K&L Gates
Dechert
Bois, Schiller & Flexner
Jenner & Block
Schulte
Kay Schouler
Gibson Dunn
Chadbourne

i tried to be as conservative as possible with a few reaches (i know GD is grade sensitive, but...). interested in litigation, employment, entertainment/media, not very interesting work experience (mostly writing-based), and not sure where i stand as an interviewer. should i be looking into mass mailing (who?) before EIP? thanks!!

2 H is around median, and from what I've heard from talking to OCS and others, this list looks great. I would suggest adding Skadden; they have a large class size and are known for looking beyond grades. You don't need to mail anyone before EIP; you have a good mix of firms in this list.

I don't want to mislead you, though. Does anyone know if he/she listed any firms that are extremely grade conscious and that, with 2 Hs, he/she would have trouble with?

Boies lit is super grade selective. Also, I think that for 2H you should have more firms like Kramer Levin, Stroock, etc.
I know nothing about Fitzpatrick Cella, except that telenovelas have less drama. Search ATL.

Agreed. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but maybe you should remove Jones Day unless you plan on bidding them high? From last year's stats, few people get interviews...and their callback rate isn't that great either.

[Anonymous User]

Mass mailing question: do people include "GPA" on resume and/or cover letter?

[Anonymous User]

No.

[Anonymous User]

Anyone have experience with Denver? I have ties to the area and good grades (like 7-8H). Thanks.

[Anonymous User]

Mass mailing question: do people include "GPA" on resume and/or cover letter?

Funny story: I once sent out an application and they specifically asked for GPA on resume. I explained that Harvard doesn't calculate GPA and discourages its use and they said send it anyway. So I calculated it myself and then realized a little later that I had been off by like .07 too high. I immediately sent them a correction. I never heard from them again.

[CicerBRo]

Throwing my hat in the ring. 1H/9Ps for the year (H was in fall semester): honestly not sure what I need to change to get better grades, maybe just exam skills but who knows (also as a quick aside, I'm living testament that being above top 25% of HLS LSAT scores IN NO WAY guarantees superior class performance.)

Looking to do litigation in NYC, and I'd say above-average interviewing skills - OCS mock interviewer loved me, said I really didn't have anything I needed to change. Anyhow, any thoughts on what my options are for potentially grabbing a T25 NY offer? OCS seemed to think my prospects were actually pretty good, but I'm hesitant to believe them.

EDIT*: Adding my tentative bid list for critique (All NYC offices)

1. Skadden
2. Simpson
3. Davis
4. Milbank
5. Debevoise
6. Gibson
7. Kramer
8. Kaye Sholer
9. Kirkland
10. Latham
11. Proskauer
12. Cahill
13. Weil
14. Cadwalader
15. Paul Weiss
16. Pilsbury
17. Wilkie-Farr
18. Shearman
19. Sidley
20. Dechert
21. Boies
22. Hughes Hubbard
23. White Case
24. Freshfields
25. Winston Strawn
26. WilmerHale
27. McDermott
28. Akin Gump
39. Morgan Lewis
30. Curtis Mallet
31. Hogan
32. DLA Piper
33. Jenner
34. Hunton Williams

To this anon: I'm curious what OCS told you about your chances, in more detail. Do a lot of HLS people with 1 H get a V25 offer if they want it, in NYC? What would your chances be at a V10?

It seems like your list might be a bit too ambitious but if OCS said you are good then I'm sure they're right!

[094320]

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[Anonymous User]

At what point are you being 'dangerously late,' as it were, to get your list to OCS for feedback?

[Anonymous User]

Recently admitted to HLS as a transfer student. Is it possible for transfers to get the top DC firms?

[Anonymous User]

Recently admitted to HLS as a transfer student. Is it possible for transfers to get the top DC firms?

yes - c/o 2015 transfer friend of mine got w&c this summer

[Anonymous User]

Adding my bid list to the thread. 5 Ps, 4Hs, and a DS. I'm interested in DC, especially regulation. I added some NY firms just in case the DC thing doesn't work. Is this list missing any of the major regulatory law firms? Also, how is my bid order? I'm a bit unclear how I should be ranking the firms, so any feedback on that would be very appreciated.

• 1. WilmerHale DC
  2. Covington & Burling DC
  3. Arnold & Porter DC
  4. Debevoise & Plimpton DC
  5. Covington & Burling DC
  6. Kirkland Ellis DC
  7. DLA Piper DC
  8. Akin Gump DC/NY
  9. Jenner & Block DC
  10. Latham & Watkins DC
  11. Crowell & Moring DC
  12. Wiley Rein DC
  13. Skadden NY
  14. Debevoise NY
  15. Patton Boggs DC
  16. Steptoe DC
  17. Morrison & Foerster DC
  18. Cravath NY
  19. Sullivan & Cromwell NY
  20. Wiley Rein DC
  21. Williams and Connolly DC
  22. White & Case DC/NY
  23. O’Melveny DC
  24. Kirkland Ellis NY
  25. Ropes & Gray NY
  26. Simpson Thacher NY
  27. Weil Gotschal NY

[Anonymous User]

Adding my bid list to the thread. 5 Ps, 4Hs, and a DS. I'm interested in DC, especially regulation. I added some NY firms just in case the DC thing doesn't work. Is this list missing any of the major regulatory law firms? Also, how is my bid order? I'm a bit unclear how I should be ranking the firms, so any feedback on that would be very appreciated.

• 1. WilmerHale DC
  2. Covington & Burling DC
  3. Arnold & Porter DC
  4. Debevoise & Plimpton DC
  5. Covington & Burling DC
  6. Kirkland Ellis DC
  7. DLA Piper DC
  8. Akin Gump DC/NY
  9. Jenner & Block DC
  10. Latham & Watkins DC
  11. Crowell & Moring DC
  12. Wiley Rein DC
  13. Skadden NY
  14. Debevoise NY
  15. Patton Boggs DC
  16. Steptoe DC
  17. Morrison & Foerster DC
  18. Cravath NY
  19. Sullivan & Cromwell NY
  20. Wiley Rein DC
  21. Williams and Connolly DC
  22. White & Case DC/NY
  23. O’Melveny DC
  24. Kirkland Ellis NY
  25. Ropes & Gray NY
  26. Simpson Thacher NY
  27. Weil Gotschal NY

I think I saw a note on Symplicity that Patton Boggs backed out of EIP

(Even if they were still attending that would be the last place I would bid lol)

[Anonymous User]

Adding my bid list to the thread. 5 Ps, 4Hs, and a DS. I'm interested in DC, especially regulation. I added some NY firms just in case the DC thing doesn't work. Is this list missing any of the major regulatory law firms? Also, how is my bid order? I'm a bit unclear how I should be ranking the firms, so any feedback on that would be very appreciated.

• 1. WilmerHale DC
  2. Covington & Burling DC
  3. Arnold & Porter DC
  4. Debevoise & Plimpton DC
  5. Covington & Burling DC
  6. Kirkland Ellis DC
  7. DLA Piper DC
  8. Akin Gump DC/NY
  9. Jenner & Block DC
  10. Latham & Watkins DC
  11. Crowell & Moring DC
  12. Wiley Rein DC
  13. Skadden NY
  14. Debevoise NY
  15. Patton Boggs DC
  16. Steptoe DC
  17. Morrison & Foerster DC
  18. Cravath NY
  19. Sullivan & Cromwell NY
  20. Wiley Rein DC
  21. Williams and Connolly DC
  22. White & Case DC/NY
  23. O’Melveny DC
  24. Kirkland Ellis NY
  25. Ropes & Gray NY
  26. Simpson Thacher NY
  27. Weil Gotschal NY

A few thoughts from someone who bid DC last year with similar interests/grades:

1. You probably don't have a real shot at W&C with your grades, and they don't do regulatory work if that's what you're really interested in. I'd delete them. Also get rid of Patton Boggs if they're even coming to EIP, that firm is toxic even post merger. Probably not worth it to have Debevoise, dla piper, and White & Case DC on the list -- their summer programs are tiny and I don't think they do much regulatory work.

2. You're missing a few big DC firms, most notably Hogan and Jones Day. Consider adding them. Also Skadden, Sidley, and King & Spalding. A few others to think about are Morgan Lewis, McDermott, K&L Gates, and Venable.

3. You have Covington DC listed twice.

Hope any of that helps.

[Anonymous User]

Hi everyone. Would love any critiques on this list. IT IS NOT YET IN ORDER. I will be ordering it based (roughly) on bid-interview conversion rates.


K-JD, Ivy undergrad, no ties. All in on New York. 1 H and 9 P's (H was in mushy elective).

Interested in (and resume speaks to) litigation. I feel very comfortable interviewing, and I think I have a good narrative about my 1L summer job (at a small firm).


Schulte Roth & Zabel
Kramer, Levin, Naftalis & Frankel
Cahill Gordon & Reindel
Allen & Overy
Bingham McCutchen
White & Case
Winston & Strawn LLP
Katten Muchin Rosenman
Willkie Farr & Gallagher LLP
sidley austin llp
Orrick Herrington & Sutcliffe LLP
Chadbourne & Parke LLP
Proskauer Rose
hogan lovells
Cadwalader, Wickersham & Taft
Milbank, Tweed, Hadley & McCloy
Clifford Chance
Jenner & Block
Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Floam
Jones Day
WilmerHale
paul hastings llp
Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld
Stroock & Stroock & Lavan
Pillsbury Winthrop Shaw Pittman
Weil Gotshal & Manges
Shearman & Sterling
Kaye Scholer
Fried Frank Harris Shriver & Jacobson
Ropes & Gray
Kasowitz, Benson, Torres & Friedman
Brown Rudnick
Dechert
Greenberg Traurig
Morrison & Foerster

[wwwcol]

Anyone else having trouble accessing the OCI tab & employers list on Symplicity? When I click it just redirects to Profile.

[Anonymous User]

Same happened to me until I filled out the summer 2014 employment evaluation, even though it says that's not required for public sector jobs. After I finished that I could access the oci tab again.

[Anonymous User]

I'm a below-average interviewer with below-average softs but have above average grades (4 H's, 1 DS, 5 P's). I'm trying to find safeties, but it's tough figuring out whether the lower class sizes in lower-ranked firms would really give me a better chance than the larger class sizes of higher ranked firms. Does anyone know which firms really base their decisions heavily on grades?