Northwestern OCI Forum

[09042014]

I'm a transfer wanting Chi NY or DC
I heard splitting it up like that with multiple markets is a death sentence... How should I target my bids?

My preference is Chi > DC > NY but if it means getting a job, then idc where I end up. I have ties to the midwest and DC. Already have a handful of interviews in DC and another handful in NYC through job fairs.

Maybe useful info: targeting IP Lit - CS/EE
top 1/3 from T1

1) did you bid at the loyola patent fair?

2) It's hard to bid Chicago and NYC since they both go really early. NYC sucks for CS/EE patent work anyway, so fuck it bid Chicago your first 13 slots. Bid DC slots 13-25. Then bid every IP botique after 25 (don't bid the chicago and DC ones in the top 25). You should clean up with interviews. Get at least 20 maybe 25.

[Anonymous User]

I posted before, but have been working on the list since getting some advice. 3.5x, targeting transactional work in Chicago. I've expanded the list. Any thoughts?

RANK FIRM (class size) SLOTS
1 Katten 14 40
2 Mayer Brown 40 80
3 Kirkland 42 80
4 Schiff Harden 32 80
5 McDermott 29 80
6 Winston 18 60
7 Latham 12 76
8 Jones Day 20 40
9 Jenner 14 60
10 K&L 15 20
11 DLA Piper 34 20
12 Chapman 7 20
13 Ropes & Gray 5 60
14 Foley Lardener 4 40
15 Paul Hastings 2 20
16 Vedder Price ? 20
17 Greenberg 5 20
18 Reed Smith 5 20
19 Proskauer 4 20
20 Dykema 4 11
21 Bryan Cave 3 40
22 Dentons 4 20
23 Mcguire Woods 3 20
24 Quarles & Brady 3 20
25 Holland & Knight 1 20
26 Faegre 2 11
27 Locke Lord 20

[09042014]

I posted before, but have been working on the list since getting some advice. 3.5x, targeting transactional work in Chicago. I've expanded the list. Any thoughts?

RANK FIRM (class size) SLOTS
1 Katten 14 40
2 Mayer Brown 40 80
3 Kirkland 42 80
4 Schiff Harden 32 80
5 McDermott 29 80
6 Winston 18 60
7 Latham 12 76
8 Jones Day 20 40
9 Jenner 14 60
10 K&L 15 20
11 DLA Piper 34 20
12 Chapman 7 20
13 Ropes & Gray 5 60
14 Foley Lardener 4 40
15 Paul Hastings 2 20
16 Vedder Price ? 20
17 Greenberg 5 20
18 Reed Smith 5 20
19 Proskauer 4 20
20 Dykema 4 11
21 Bryan Cave 3 40
22 Dentons 4 20
23 Mcguire Woods 3 20
24 Quarles & Brady 3 20
25 Holland & Knight 1 20
26 Faegre 2 11
27 Locke Lord 20

Everything after 18 is a waste of a bid IMO.

Through some V10 in NYC after 18. After 25, maybe through some Milkwauke or wheverer you are from.

[Kikero]

IIRC I got Faegre at like 16/17 or something last year, so you might be able to swing that with your 18th or 19th bid. Otherwise, I agree with df, those bids below 18 are just a waste. I doubt you get PH, Reed Smith, or Vedder Price either.

[Anonymous User]

I posted before, but have been working on the list since getting some advice. 3.5x, targeting transactional work in Chicago. I've expanded the list. Any thoughts?

RANK FIRM (class size) SLOTS
1 Katten 14 40
2 Mayer Brown 40 80
3 Kirkland 42 80
4 Schiff Harden 32 80
5 McDermott 29 80
6 Winston 18 60
7 Latham 12 76
8 Jones Day 20 40
9 Jenner 14 60
10 K&L 15 20
11 DLA Piper 34 20
12 Chapman 7 20
13 Ropes & Gray 5 60
14 Foley Lardener 4 40
15 Paul Hastings 2 20
16 Vedder Price ? 20
17 Greenberg 5 20
18 Reed Smith 5 20
19 Proskauer 4 20
20 Dykema 4 11
21 Bryan Cave 3 40
22 Dentons 4 20
23 Mcguire Woods 3 20
24 Quarles & Brady 3 20
25 Holland & Knight 1 20
26 Faegre 2 11
27 Locke Lord 20

After #11, the class sizes are so small. Are you sure? Where did you get this info?

[Anonymous User]

I posted before, but have been working on the list since getting some advice. 3.5x, targeting transactional work in Chicago. I've expanded the list. Any thoughts?

RANK FIRM (class size) SLOTS
1 Katten 14 40
2 Mayer Brown 40 80
3 Kirkland 42 80
4 Schiff Harden 32 80
5 McDermott 29 80
6 Winston 18 60
7 Latham 12 76
8 Jones Day 20 40
9 Jenner 14 60
10 K&L 15 20
11 DLA Piper 34 20
12 Chapman 7 20
13 Ropes & Gray 5 60
14 Foley Lardener 4 40
15 Paul Hastings 2 20
16 Vedder Price ? 20
17 Greenberg 5 20
18 Reed Smith 5 20
19 Proskauer 4 20
20 Dykema 4 11
21 Bryan Cave 3 40
22 Dentons 4 20
23 Mcguire Woods 3 20
24 Quarles & Brady 3 20
25 Holland & Knight 1 20
26 Faegre 2 11
27 Locke Lord 20

I assume, OP, that you got these numbers from NALP? Two of them stuck out to me -- dla piper's can't be 34, and McDermott shouldn't be 29 either. Be careful about global or multioffice numbers, which should impact your thought process. Also, 3.5X seems a bit low for Mayer Brown, no? I could be wrong about this, but a few of the firms at the top of your bid list seem to be significant reaches. I'd put some more 20 int. spot targets (versus reaches) in your top 5/10. For example, K&L, DLA, and Chapman (I think) all have lower GPAs and only 20 slots, so those seem like wasted bids, unless you put them higher.

[Cobretti]

I assume, OP, that you got these numbers from NALP? Two of them stuck out to me -- DLA Piper's can't be 34, and McDermott shouldn't be 29 either. Be careful about global or multioffice numbers, which should impact your thought process. Also, 3.5X seems a bit low for Mayer Brown, no? I could be wrong about this, but a few of the firms at the top of your bid list seem to be significant reaches. I'd put some more 20 int. spot targets (versus reaches) in your top 5/10. For example, K&L, DLA, and Chapman (I think) all have lower GPAs and only 20 slots, so those seem like wasted bids, unless you put them higher.

+1

nalpdirectory has those numbers for DLA and McDermott listed as multi-office FYI

[cookiejar1]

I assume, OP, that you got these numbers from NALP? Two of them stuck out to me -- DLA Piper's can't be 34, and McDermott shouldn't be 29 either. Be careful about global or multioffice numbers, which should impact your thought process. Also, 3.5X seems a bit low for Mayer Brown, no? I could be wrong about this, but a few of the firms at the top of your bid list seem to be significant reaches. I'd put some more 20 int. spot targets (versus reaches) in your top 5/10. For example, K&L, DLA, and Chapman (I think) all have lower GPAs and only 20 slots, so those seem like wasted bids, unless you put them higher.

+1

nalpdirectory has those numbers for DLA and McDermott listed as multi-office FYI

Having only one multi-office NALP form is my biggest pet peeve of this summer. That and making no money.

[Pokemon]

When are these lists due?

[M458]

When are these lists due?

I believe at the end of this month. We can't even put in our bids at this point. Think we get access on Monday.

[Cobretti]

When are these lists due?

I believe at the end of this month. We can't even put in our bids at this point. Think we get access on Monday.

want to say it opens on the 14th and closes on the 28th

[Anonymous User]

Some firms, like Dechert, have multiple chicago postings... Does that mean we can bid on any of them for Chicago?

[Anonymous User]

Aiming for NYC. I have mass mailed some firms not coming to OCI or not recruiting for their NY office at OCI. I will mail more this week. Is there any point bidding DC firms with my GPA? Where can I expect WI firms like Foley to go? What about West Coast firms outside of California? If I have ties, should I bid them in the 25-35 range or lower and email if I miss?

I am unsure about ranking my bidlist and completely fell apart towards the bottom when I realized that I had no idea what I was even doing at the top. The firm I think I would most want is not in my #1 spot. I tried to put firms with less spots up higher but then I wonder if something like Milbank at #9 is a waste because I won’t get it. Same with Fried Frank. Should I bid these higher? At the expense of which firms? Are there too many reaches up high? I have met with a number of recruiting people and attorneys at some of the firms so that gives me hope that if I miss the interview through bidding, I could perhaps email them and try to be squeezed in somewhere. Is that a smart play? Please rearrange my bidlist and chastise me for any missteps.

Diverse with good work experience. 3.5 GPA.

1. Cahill 20
2. Latham 19
3. Weil 60
4. Debevoise 20
5. Proskauer 20
6. STB 40
7. Paul Hastings 20
8. Cadwalader 40
9. Milbank 40
10. Skadden 120
11. Kirkland 20
12. Fried Frank 40
13. WilmerHale 60
14. Willkie 40
15. Paul Weiss 40
16. Bryan Cave 40
Jones Day 20
Allen & Overy 11
Alston Bird 20
Clifford Chance 20
Cooley 36
Dechert 20
White and Case 20
Freshfields 20

[Man from Nantucket]

Where have the major Silicon Valley/SF tech firms (i.e., Fenwick, Weil, Cooley, Gunderson, WSGR) historically gone? Is it safe to assume that they'll still be available by 10?

[fishfry111]

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[cookiejar1]

Tell me more about these brotish firms.

[dead head]

Tell me more about these brotish firms.

Dude's trying to help you out and instead of thanking him you shit on him? Way to encourage people to contribute.

[cookiejar1]

Welp, I genuinely thought there was a reason why he referred to the magic circle firms as "bro"tish firms as in they're bro-y for some reason or another. Didn't realize it was a typo.

[bananasplit19]

Welp, I genuinely thought there was a reason why he referred to the magic circle firms as "bro"tish firms as in they're bro-y for some reason or another. Didn't realize it was a typo.

I thought it was funny.

Where have the major Silicon Valley/SF tech firms (i.e., Fenwick, Weil, Cooley, Gunderson, WSGR) historically gone? Is it safe to assume that they'll still be available by 10?

This is also of interest to me. Anyone want to drop some knowledge?

[Micdiddy]

Welp, I genuinely thought there was a reason why he referred to the magic circle firms as "bro"tish firms as in they're bro-y for some reason or another. Didn't realize it was a typo.

For the record I was wondering the same thing as you. It also took me longer than it should have to figure out what the typo was meant to be.

[Dr. Filth]

Class of 2016: never not the worst

[LRGhost]

Tell me more about these brotish firms.

Dude's trying to help you out and instead of thanking him you shit on him? Way to encourage people to contribute.

Jesus, way to exaggerate an innocuous comment.

[fishfry111]

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[cookiejar1]

Now I'm just sad that brotish firms aren't a thing . . . yet.

[09042014]

Now I'm just sad that brotish firms aren't a thing . . . yet.

Anti Weil and Latham trolling.