No-offered summer associate. FML Forum

[rad lulz]

Not Bham, a bigger market.

Mind just saying it?

[09042014]

Thanks Y'all. I found out that at least 3 of the SA's did not get offers. I wonder if I can get away with saying that to other firms?

I would definitely mention it.

"They said it wasn't my work product or personality, they just couldn't afford it. At least three out of four of the other summers got no offered as well."

[jeeptiger09]

Not Bham, a bigger market.

Atlanta? Sorry just curious because I am in one of these similar markets. And Atlanta has been a bloodbath lately with deferrals, so if it is ATL, the firm may be telling the truth.

[Anonymous User]

No offer checking in. Totally blindsided by it because I got nothing but positive reviews from the people who go back to me. It seems I missed/combined some issues on a memo that was considered a problem, but I never heard about it. Apparently I didn't take enough notes (not none, just not enough) during the meeting and that was seen as a bad sign when combined with the missed issue.

Feeling really conflicted because I liked the people at my firm and the other summers, but feel like I got hosed by 1 or 2 associates who just didn't bother to tell me I screwed up (and simultaniously wrote notes in my file to the effect that I did). One of these memos was before my mid summer review where I was told I had nothing to worry about...

No "fit" or personality issues.

School in 14-25 range, top 10% + LR. Feeling waaaaaaaaaay behind on clerkships but I guess that is my best option...

[edit for clarity: it seems like there were two memos where the reviewers said the same thing. Heard from one last week of the summer. Never heard from second one.]

[somewhatwayward]

No offer checking in. Totally blindsided by it because I got nothing but positive reviews from the people who go back to me. It seems I missed/combined some issues on a memo that was considered a problem, but I never heard about it. Apparently I didn't take enough notes (not none, just not enough) during the meeting and that was seen as a bad sign when combined with the missed issue.

Feeling really conflicted because I liked the people at my firm and the other summers, but feel like I got hosed by 1 or 2 associates who just didn't bother to tell me I screwed up (and simultaniously wrote notes in my file to the effect that I did). One of these memos was before my mid summer review where I was told I had nothing to worry about...

No "fit" or personality issues.

School in 14-25 range, top 10% + LR. Feeling waaaaaaaaaay behind on clerkships but I guess that is my best option...

man that sucks....which market?

you sound well-positioned for a clerkship, though

[TruckerD]

Yeah Atlanta... don't know why I didn't just say it before. It was pretty messed up, at least 3 of 8 got no offer, and the firm basically told us all summer that we would get an offer unless we did something awful. Makes me wonder if I did something I didn't realize ... but I definitely don't think the others that were dropped did anything, so I probably didn't either lol.

[somewhatwayward]

Yeah Atlanta... don't know why I didn't just say it before. It was pretty messed up, at least 3 of 8 got no offer, and the firm basically told us all summer that we would get an offer unless we did something awful. Makes me wonder if I did something I didn't realize ... but I definitely don't think the others that were dropped did anything, so I probably didn't either lol.

it's not cool to promise all summer that there would be offers for everyone and then not do it. at least be up front about it.

[Richie Tenenbaum]

Not trying to dampen the mood anymore, but won't some judges find out about some of these no offers? Wouldn't that hurt clerkship chances? (It just strikes me that the "do clerkship bro" advice might be made even harder than it normally is with a no offer.)

[Anonymous User]

No offer checking in. Totally blindsided by it because I got nothing but positive reviews from the people who go back to me. It seems I missed/combined some issues on a memo that was considered a problem, but I never heard about it. Apparently I didn't take enough notes (not none, just not enough) during the meeting and that was seen as a bad sign when combined with the missed issue.

Feeling really conflicted because I liked the people at my firm and the other summers, but feel like I got hosed by 1 or 2 associates who just didn't bother to tell me I screwed up (and simultaniously wrote notes in my file to the effect that I did). One of these memos was before my mid summer review where I was told I had nothing to worry about...

No "fit" or personality issues.

School in 14-25 range, top 10% + LR. Feeling waaaaaaaaaay behind on clerkships but I guess that is my best option...

man that sucks....which market?

you sound well-positioned for a clerkship, though

LA, but firm is nationwide.

Hoping the clerkship thing works, but as Richie mentioned I feel like judges will find out about the no offers. Other problem is that I didn't get published or crush Fed Courts, so who knows.

[somewhatwayward]

No offer checking in. Totally blindsided by it because I got nothing but positive reviews from the people who go back to me. It seems I missed/combined some issues on a memo that was considered a problem, but I never heard about it. Apparently I didn't take enough notes (not none, just not enough) during the meeting and that was seen as a bad sign when combined with the missed issue.

Feeling really conflicted because I liked the people at my firm and the other summers, but feel like I got hosed by 1 or 2 associates who just didn't bother to tell me I screwed up (and simultaniously wrote notes in my file to the effect that I did). One of these memos was before my mid summer review where I was told I had nothing to worry about...

No "fit" or personality issues.

School in 14-25 range, top 10% + LR. Feeling waaaaaaaaaay behind on clerkships but I guess that is my best option...

man that sucks....which market?

you sound well-positioned for a clerkship, though

LA, but firm is nationwide.

Hoping the clerkship thing works, but as Richie mentioned I feel like judges will find out about the no offers. Other problem is that I didn't get published or crush Fed Courts, so who knows.

i don't remember where i saw it, but someone said that judges rarely (maybe never?) asked about whether s/he got an offer from summer firm....definitely worth a shot

[fatduck]

i'm pretty sure people in this thread have said they were never asked about no offers during clerkship interviews. i suppose it makes sense, as it's not uncommon at all to seek a clerkship after receiving an offer, unlike 3L OCI where people "trading up" are probably the exception.

[rad lulz]

The problem with "just do a clerkship, bro" is that some dudebro at M, say, can get big lulz, but ain't gonna pull AIII.

[fatduck]

The problem with "just do a clerkship, bro" is that some dudebro at M, say, can get big lulz, but ain't gonna pull AIII.

yup. top 10% LR vandy dude is probably fine, though.

[JusticeHarlan]

i'm pretty sure people in this thread have said they were never asked about no offers during clerkship interviews. i suppose it makes sense, as it's not uncommon at all to seek a clerkship after receiving an offer, unlike 3L OCI where people "trading up" are probably the exception.

Yup, earlier in this thread.

The cynic in me says it's pretty common to note on a resume whether an offer was extended so there's no need to ask, but then again I have no trouble believing that a lot of judges just don't care.

[rad lulz]

The problem with "just do a clerkship, bro" is that some dudebro at M, say, can get big lulz, but ain't gonna pull AIII.

yup. top 10% LR vandy dude is probably fine, though.

lol that's not me.

[fatduck]

The problem with "just do a clerkship, bro" is that some dudebro at M, say, can get big lulz, but ain't gonna pull AIII.

yup. top 10% LR vandy dude is probably fine, though.

lol that's not me.

i'm talking about the anon dude above who got no offered for "not taking enough notes on his shitty assignments" which is obviously code for not being bro enough. we know you're good to go.

[Anonymous User]

I'm sure it couldn't've been, but it was all they were willing to tell me. Very suspicious.

You probably pissed someone off, or have aspergers. But telling you it was grades was kind of a blessing. You can walk into an interview and say "they said it was only my grades that was the problem."

I dunno. The people in the interview would probably come to the same conclusion you just did.

Maybe. But I've done 9 screeners for 3LOLCI and 7 didn't even ask about offers. So they might not care that much.

How'd you get 9 screeners? Mind sharing the firms? CLS didn't even offer that many for 3Ls, unless you had an IP background.

[Lieut Kaffee]

Maybe. But I've done 9 screeners for 3LOLCI and 7 didn't even ask about offers. So they might not care that much.

How'd you get 9 screeners? Mind sharing the firms? CLS didn't even offer that many for 3Ls, unless you had an IP background.

Patent Fair is TCR.

[09042014]

How'd you get 9 screeners? Mind sharing the firms? CLS didn't even offer that many for 3Ls, unless you had an IP background.

IP background at the patent fair.

[Anonymous User]

Just got no-offered yesterday by a V-50 in major market. Top 40% at a T-10. Spent the rest of the day drinking and contemplating doomsday scenarios. Apparently if you fuck up on one assignment during week one, that failure stays with you the rest of the summer and you get no-offered, even if you hand in excellent work product the rest of the summer.

[Anonymous User]

If it helps, I never got asked about an offer from the firm during my clerkship interviews (did receive/accept an offer but didn't denote it on my resumes). Hope this helps.

[Anonymous User]

Just got no-offered yesterday by a V-50 in major market. Top 40% at a T-10. Spent the rest of the day drinking and contemplating doomsday scenarios. Apparently if you fuck up on one assignment during week one, that failure stays with you the rest of the summer and you get no-offered, even if you hand in excellent work product the rest of the summer.

This just seems ridiculous. Lawl School teaches you nothing about what it means to be an actual associate. Firms know this. So the fact that they would no offer you because of a mistake you made your first week on the job is insane. I know there is a steep learning curve but this just seems unreasonable. If you were still making those same mistakes weeks into the job, maybe.

[grrrstick]

Just got no-offered yesterday by a V-50 in major market. Top 40% at a T-10. Spent the rest of the day drinking and contemplating doomsday scenarios. Apparently if you fuck up on one assignment during week one, that failure stays with you the rest of the summer and you get no-offered, even if you hand in excellent work product the rest of the summer.

This just seems ridiculous. Lawl School teaches you nothing about what it means to be an actual associate. Firms know this. So the fact that they would no offer you because of a mistake you made your first week on the job is insane. I know there is a steep learning curve but this just seems unreasonable. If you were still making those same mistakes weeks into the job, maybe.

The work thing is probably an excuse. There is probably a significant aspie factor going on.

[rad lulz]

Just got no-offered yesterday by a V-50 in major market. Top 40% at a T-10. Spent the rest of the day drinking and contemplating doomsday scenarios. Apparently if you fuck up on one assignment during week one, that failure stays with you the rest of the summer and you get no-offered, even if you hand in excellent work product the rest of the summer.

Condolences, brother.

Which market was it, and was it Baker Botts, Fulbright, or Winston and Strawn?

[Anonymous User]

Just got no-offered yesterday by a V-50 in major market. Top 40% at a T-10. Spent the rest of the day drinking and contemplating doomsday scenarios. Apparently if you fuck up on one assignment during week one, that failure stays with you the rest of the summer and you get no-offered, even if you hand in excellent work product the rest of the summer.

Condolences, brother.

Which market was it, and was it Baker Botts, Fulbright, or Winston and Strawn?

You implicate Houston by mentioning those firms.