School OCI Data Forum

[Anonymous User]

Very few BIGLAW firms coming to Vandy too; maybe one third to one half I'd say? It looks to be a bloodbath

[Grizz]

Vandy only has about 80 unique employers coming. Much more are doing the resume collection thing (which I don't know much about, but doesn't bode well). Gulp.

Do you know yet how many firms are coming to OCI this year, and do you have any idea how many came in 2009 and 2008? Just trying to gauge how Vanderbilt is riding the storm.

We got the list today. For 2Ls, it is a little under 100. Last year I think it was about 130 to start, but was under 100 by the time OCI actually happened. I did notice some stricter GPA requirements this year (comparing via memory firm-by-firm), but we also have a few of the most prestigious firms coming to campus that didn't come last year (e.g. S&C and Skadden NY - Skadden DE has come each of at least the last 2 years and I'm sure prior to that too. Don't know if S&C and Skadden NY came prior to last year, but both did resume drops last year).

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[Anonymous User]

I just re-checked. Unless I'm missing something, it's 82 unique employers. Sure, there's some multi-office stuff, but that also includes government agencies and public defender crap.

[Anonymous User]

M and V have 400+ firm offices going to OCI. (Not sure how many gov/PI.)

[PDaddy]

That seems way, way low. Perhaps the geographic location has done you some disservice? I have an inkling firms might not be inclined to travel too far this year to interview applicants. Makes me glad my school is in a huge city and that many recruiters can simply take a trip to HP for the afternoon to interview us all.

They aren't neglecting Chicago, NU, or Michigan are they? And how are IUB, WUSTL and Minnesota doing? I know the latter three aren't in the same league as the others, but their numbers might illuminate what's really happening with ND. ND is in the same geographic region and similarly ranked, so it should be doing at least as well as IUB, WUSTL and Minnesota. And if those three are having at least decent OCI's, there goes the geography excuse.

On another note, I don't understand why more corporations and other employers aren't recruiting. It would seem to be a chance to scoop up some talent at a cheaper price. Think about it. If Microsoft, NBC or Goldman Sachs (to name a few random employers) wanted to hire a ND grad for $85K plus (about $20-50K) bonus and work him only 55 hours a week, I think many would take that in this economy.

[flcath]

They aren't neglecting Chicago, NU, or Michigan are they? And how are IUB, WUSTL and Minnesota doing? I know the latter three aren't in the same league as the others, but their numbers might illuminate what's really happening with ND. ND is in the same geographic region and similarly ranked, so it should be doing at least as well as IUB, WUSTL and Minnesota. And if those three are having at least decent OCI's, there goes the geography excuse.

From what I understand, the latter three are not exactly tearing it up at OCIs either. They're probably doing better than ND, but I think you're looking for causality where none (other than just "someone had to do worse") is needed. As for UChi, Mich, and NU, those are three of the stronger T13s as far as OCIs go; I unfortunately don't see the value of comparing those schools with ND at the present time.

On another note, I don't understand why more corporations and other employers aren't recruiting. It would seem to be a chance to scoop up some talent at a cheaper price. Think about it. If Microsoft, NBC or Goldman Sachs (to name a few random employers) wanted to hire a ND grad for $85K plus (about $20-50K) bonus and work him only 50-60 hours a week, I think many would take that voluntarily saw off one of their own arms above the elbow, for the sadistic amusement of the interviewer in this economy.

FTFY

[Anonymous User]

Don't feel so sorry for yourself. I wish we had 39, we have less than half that many coming to OCI (only 19). So much for busting ass to finish top 10% T-50, and being rewarded with a decent shot at landing a summer OCI. Just hope my transfer app gets accepted.

[let/them/eat/cake]

They aren't neglecting Chicago, NU, or Michigan are they? And how are IUB, WUSTL and Minnesota doing? I know the latter three aren't in the same league as the others, but their numbers might illuminate what's really happening with ND. ND is in the same geographic region and similarly ranked, so it should be doing at least as well as IUB, WUSTL and Minnesota. And if those three are having at least decent OCI's, there goes the geography excuse.

From what I understand, the latter three are not exactly tearing it up at OCIs either. They're probably doing better than ND, but I think you're looking for causality where none (other than just "someone had to do worse") is needed. As for UChi, Mich, and NU, those are three of the stronger T13s as far as OCIs go; I unfortunately don't see the value of comparing those schools with ND at the present time.

On another note, I don't understand why more corporations and other employers aren't recruiting. It would seem to be a chance to scoop up some talent at a cheaper price. Think about it. If Microsoft, NBC or Goldman Sachs (to name a few random employers) wanted to hire a ND grad for $85K plus (about $20-50K) bonus and work him only 50-60 hours a week, I think many would take that voluntarily saw off one of their own arms above the elbow, for the sadistic amusement of the interviewer in this economy.

FTFY

man, if i knew i'd never have to work over 60 hrs a week and had the chance to get a bonus as high as 50k with a base of 85k, i think i'd take that job IAE. helluvan example.

[D. H2Oman]

On another note, I don't understand why more corporations and other employers aren't recruiting. It would seem to be a chance to scoop up some talent at a cheaper price. Think about it. If Microsoft, NBC or Goldman Sachs (to name a few random employers) wanted to hire a ND grad for $85K plus (about $20-50K) bonus and work him only 55 hours a week, I think many would take that in this economy.

LOLOLOLOL, yeah Goldman is just dying for the opportunity to pay a bunch of unemployed Notre Dame Law grads 125K per year. Gotta scoop up that "talent".

[romothesavior]

On another note, I don't understand why more corporations and other employers aren't recruiting. It would seem to be a chance to scoop up some talent at a cheaper price. Think about it. If Microsoft, NBC or Goldman Sachs (to name a few random employers) wanted to hire a ND grad for $85K plus (about $20-50K) bonus and work him only 55 hours a week, I think many would take that in this economy.

LOLOLOLOL, yeah Goldman is just dying for the opportunity to pay a bunch of unemployed Notre Dame Law grads 125K per year. Gotta scoop up that "talent".

Yeah wow... PDaddy has really outdone himself once again.

[Kochel]

[quote="PDaddy
On another note, I don't understand why more corporations and other employers aren't recruiting. It would seem to be a chance to scoop up some talent at a cheaper price. Think about it. If Microsoft, NBC or Goldman Sachs (to name a few random employers) wanted to hire a ND grad for $85K plus (about $20-50K) bonus and work him only 55 hours a week, I think many would take that in this economy.[/quote]

To corporations, new grads without any experience are not "talent."

[Anonymous User]

One odd thing is following an individual office. Let's take Kirkland & Ellis Chicago. In 2009, they interviewed at six schools: Yale, Harvard, Chicago, Michigan, Virginia, Northwestern. In 2010, they're interviewing at eight schools: Yale, Harvard, Chicago, NYU, Michigan, Virginia, Duke, Northwestern, and Notre Dame. Illinois and WUSTL didn't make the '09 or '10 list, but Notre Dame was restored in '10. Now, maybe it's just one firm that's a fluke... but it's still the largest firm in Chicago. I wonder where other individual offices are going--which ones picked up from '09, which ones pared back from '09, and who got hurt the most.

[sky7]

GW has 200+ offices coming. The ambiguity comes from the fact that some firms offices are listed individually, and some are grouped into one entry.

The number of entries lies at 174, but there are several entries I've seen that have 8-9 offices listed for a single entry.

[tomwelling]

This thread seriously sent me into a minor depression. I have since recovered.

I am actually now pleased to have chosen ND over Cornell (though just out of curiosity, anyone know what their OCI figures are?), as I will have very minimal debt and will thus be free to pursue my backup plan.

If I can't get a job I will seriously just do a year of post-bacc work at a state school and then go to med school. I have all the appropriate credentials, provided I did well in the aforementioned post-bacc.

I cannot believe THIS is the option that offers me the most solace... as a rising 1L.

Pleased to choose ND over Cornell? Why? Only 39 offices are going to OCI. Someone posted that Cornell placed around 40% into 2L SAs, which is bad in the grand scheme of things and bad compared to other t-14s, but a lot better than ND's 5% or whatever. I wouldn't touch a non t-14 ite.

Not that it changes your overall point, but for clarification: it is around 40 firms coming. There are around 100 offices.

[Anonymous User]

GW has 200+ offices coming. The ambiguity comes from the fact that some firms offices are listed individually, and some are grouped into one entry.

The number of entries lies at 174, but there are several entries I've seen that have 8-9 offices listed for a single entry.

I'm not sure I'm at liberty to say how many offices are coming to BU, so I won't say the exact amount, but I got it from what I thought was a credible source. And the disparity between BU and GW is astounding, especially given their closeness in rankings (20 vs 22, last year BU was ranked higher)

[miamiman]

Any word on U Chicago?

[Anonymous User]

Indiana is around the same as ND.

[romothesavior]

Any word on U Chicago?

I heard they are closing their doors due to benig a rancid TTT.

Welcome back. You home now?

[miamiman]

Any word on U Chicago?

I heard they are closing their doors due to benig a rancid TTT.

Welcome back. You home now?

Soon. Chilling in NYC. Home to Miami tonight.

[doyleoil]

Any word on U Chicago?

List of participating employers goes up Friday.

(smart move, imo - last year i think they had it up earlier and people kept getting more and more depressed watching firms drop off the list - hopefully the list that goes up will be accurate/final)

[Anonymous User]

M and V have 400+ firm offices going to OCI. (Not sure how many gov/PI.)

V is at 557 offices. Something like 160 firms, I believe.

[Anonymous User]

Why is it a such big deal for people to say how many firms are coming to OCI (to the extent to post anonymously)?

-Posting anonymously just to post anonymously.

[Anonymous User]

Why is it a such big deal for people to say how many firms are coming to OCI (to the extent to post anonymously)?

-Posting anonymously just to post anonymously.

Yes, can anyone explain the importance of unique employers vs. offices?? Why is 80 unique employers so terrible for Vanderbilt?? I mean even if they offer say, 1.5 people on average per unique employer(random number obviously) wouldnt that still be a 120/~200(60%) offered through OCI, do that many employers just show up for fun?

[steve_nash]

Why is it a such big deal for people to say how many firms are coming to OCI (to the extent to post anonymously)?

-Posting anonymously just to post anonymously.

Yes, can anyone explain the importance of unique employers vs. offices?? Why is 80 unique employers so terrible for Vanderbilt?? I mean even if they offer say, 1.5 people on average per unique employer(random number obviously) wouldnt that still be a 120/~200(60%) offered through OCI, do that many employers just show up for fun?

Because often the same small percentage of people are getting all the offers. Employers aren't going to dig into the top 40% just because all the people in the top 10% are already taken. If most of the 80 firms are top firms (Vault or otherwise), it doesn't help the people with lesser grades.

[rayiner]

Why is it a such big deal for people to say how many firms are coming to OCI (to the extent to post anonymously)?

-Posting anonymously just to post anonymously.

Yes, can anyone explain the importance of unique employers vs. offices?? Why is 80 unique employers so terrible for Vanderbilt?? I mean even if they offer say, 1.5 people on average per unique employer(random number obviously) wouldnt that still be a 120/~200(60%) offered through OCI, do that many employers just show up for fun?

Employers do OCI at a lot of schools, and a lot of the smaller employers might have a summer class of only 3-5 people. An employer might go to a school fully intending to hire someone, but with a summer class that small it might just happen that the offers go to people in other schools.

^^^ Also, what steve_nash said.