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by papercut » Tue Jul 07, 2015 7:28 pm
Anonymous User wrote:Dear Partners and Associates,
What are the keyphrases/signs indicating "offer" and "no offer" at mid summer review at your firm?
Do attorneys email/talk each other and discuss whether a summer will be offered or not before the executive committee meets?
I just heard a good key phrase from someone telling me about his days as an SA.
They told him, "You know, we think you'd be much happier doing something in the public sector."
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El Pollito
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by El Pollito » Tue Jul 07, 2015 7:30 pm
yeah associates will be talking shit about the potential no offers all summer long
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by Anonymous User » Tue Jul 07, 2015 7:34 pm
Soooo I get the sense that my partner wouldn't actually know if I was getting no-offered or cold-offered. I had a fantastic mid-summer review, but it seemed like she was mostly just reading off a sheet that recruiting gave her, and while we were talking it didn't really seem like she had any part in the actual process whatsoever (besides reading me my reviews and generally mentoring me). Is it just perhaps that no one takes it too seriously since it's a 100% offer firm?
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by skers » Tue Jul 07, 2015 7:48 pm
Partner at my firm like to go up to summers and say, "you're fine, but just in case, what's your back-up plan?" My hero.
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by papercut » Tue Jul 07, 2015 8:00 pm
skers wrote:Partner at my firm like to go up to summers and say, "you're fine, but just in case, what's your back-up plan?" My hero.
I'm not sure if it's more funny if he was serious or if he was just messing with them.
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by Anonymous User » Tue Jul 07, 2015 10:54 pm
Do/can summers hook up with associates? Or is that maybe a problem?
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by rpupkin » Tue Jul 07, 2015 11:13 pm
Anonymous User wrote:Do/can summers hook up with associates? Or is that maybe a problem?
It's certainly not a problem for the summer associate.
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by El Pollito » Tue Jul 07, 2015 11:17 pm
Anonymous User wrote:Soooo I get the sense that my partner wouldn't actually know if I was getting no-offered or cold-offered. I had a fantastic mid-summer review, but it seemed like she was mostly just reading off a sheet that recruiting gave her, and while we were talking it didn't really seem like she had any part in the actual process whatsoever (besides reading me my reviews and generally mentoring me). Is it just perhaps that no one takes it too seriously since it's a 100% offer firm?
you're fine minus the autism
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by hdunlop » Wed Jul 08, 2015 3:54 am
But who wants to end up like that
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by Anonymous User » Thu Jul 09, 2015 1:24 am
Just over 3 weeks left. How's everyone else doing/feeling? I'm in a bit of a pickle since I've decided I want to rotate through one of the firm's other offices once I start full time to get exposure to another practice group. Not sure how that conversation is going to go down if/when I get the full-time offer.
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by doctoroflaw91 » Thu Jul 09, 2015 9:40 am
Anonymous User wrote:Just over 3 weeks left. How's everyone else doing/feeling? I'm in a bit of a pickle since I've decided I want to rotate through one of the firm's other offices once I start full time to get exposure to another practice group. Not sure how that conversation is going to go down if/when I get the full-time offer.
Probably highly firm dependent. My firm is very open to those types of request, but whether or not it's feasible is highly dependent upon the hiring needs of the particular practice group.
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by Anonymous User » Thu Jul 09, 2015 3:56 pm
Halp TLS: I'm only summer in satellite, and today is basically the big recruiting event cocktail hour. Managing partner + recruiting staff are in town, partially for this.
How do I not aspie? I'm so bad at cocktail events.
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by rpupkin » Thu Jul 09, 2015 4:05 pm
Anonymous User wrote:Halp TLS: I'm only summer in satellite, and today is basically the big recruiting event cocktail hour. Managing partner + recruiting staff are in town, partially for this.
How do I not aspie? I'm so bad at cocktail events.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URtQAa3Y-ns
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by kalcifer » Fri Jul 10, 2015 1:18 am
rpupkin wrote:Anonymous User wrote:Halp TLS: I'm only summer in satellite, and today is basically the big recruiting event cocktail hour. Managing partner + recruiting staff are in town, partially for this.
How do I not aspie? I'm so bad at cocktail events.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URtQAa3Y-ns
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by brotherdarkness » Fri Jul 10, 2015 1:35 am
rpupkin wrote:Anonymous User wrote:Do/can summers hook up with associates? Or is that maybe a problem?
It's certainly not a problem for the summer associate.
Apparently this happened at my firm. The summer was fine, but the associate got canned.
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by El Pollito » Fri Jul 10, 2015 1:39 am
it happens a lot. I will never understand why people hook up with coworkers.
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by Anonymous User » Fri Jul 10, 2015 6:53 am
My "V25" firm has made it clear that they care way more about AmLaw than Vault
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by Twelve64 » Fri Jul 10, 2015 1:39 pm
brotherdarkness wrote:rpupkin wrote:Anonymous User wrote:Do/can summers hook up with associates? Or is that maybe a problem?
It's certainly not a problem for the summer associate.
Apparently this happened at my firm. The summer was fine, but the associate got canned.
For real? Well if that's not a deterrent...
Still, that is surprising.
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by Big Dog » Fri Jul 10, 2015 1:56 pm
For real? Well if that's not a deterrent...
Still, that is surprising.
Why? A SA is nothing but a ~10 week interview, and I'd guess labor laws/courts would frown at hooking up with interviewees.
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by Twelve64 » Fri Jul 10, 2015 2:42 pm
Desert Fox wrote:Big Dog wrote:For real? Well if that's not a deterrent...
Still, that is surprising.
Why? A SA is nothing but a ~10 week interview, and I'd guess labor laws/courts would frown at hooking up with interviewees.
No way is this illegal unless there is quid pro quo.
Yea. However, if I was an associate I would still be hesitant. Maybe not as a summer.
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by El Pollito » Fri Jul 10, 2015 3:18 pm
really, really doubt that's the only reason why the associate got canned unless there was something weird/sexual harassy about the hookup
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by Anonymous User » Fri Jul 10, 2015 3:21 pm
Our firm was really really explicit about us not sexing up the staff or the actual associates. Might just be one of those power imbalance thing like any workplace taboo on employer/employee relations?
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by Big Dog » Fri Jul 10, 2015 4:31 pm
No way is this illegal unless there is quid pro quo.
Of course, but the
appearance of impropriety is enough to deep-six an Associate, particularly if the SA is female. But in reality, the Associate should be fired for stupidity.
Even if there as no quid pro quo, if the SA does not receive an offer, it's a slam-dunk harassment case. ("He pressured me, and pressured me.....so my work slipped....." No firm wants that public; they settle on day 2.)
Seriously? What are you waiting for?
Now there's a charge.
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