Summer Associates 2014: Thoughts, Anxieties, Experiences... Forum

[Mal Reynolds]

But is it really that hard to believe that someone is proud of achieving a major life milestone that has taken years to attain and wants to tell their friends and family about it in the most efficient way possible? I honestly don't understand not understanding that. I can wrap my head around thinking it is insensitive and/or lame, but not having any clue why someone would do it seems absurd to me.

You really think that's what they are doing?

At this point it sounds like he's making some pedantic walkback. Unless jbagel seriously doesn't understand why anyone would post on Facebook. The answer to that question is obviously law students. But wake ups first post was more of a defense of people posting "major life events" on Facebook and how that's their prerogative.

As you know (because you're a sharp dude and you're being facetious here) there's a difference between "understanding" from a literal perspective what one incentive could be to take an action, and "understanding" why someone would actually go through with this action. There are twenty reasons I could conceive and "understand" as providing incentives to skip work tomorrow. Doesn't mean I would "understand" the type of person who would actually do it in my position. these semantics are beginning to bore

I know a lot of law students. and I know a shitload more non-law students. And only the bottom dwellers of either camp would feel the need to post an offer from a law firm as their Facebook status, albeit that I could imagine a reason why one of them might want to.

I know I agree with you. That why I think woke up is retarded.

[LadyMary]

Guy who lost his shit at partner.... come backkkkk and entertain us with the full story please!

[Anonymous User]

Just got my offer. Managed not to giggle throughout the entire meeting, but probably looked like a complete spaz stifling it.

[Anonymous User]

Is anyone here waiting on an offer from Weil?

[SA2014]

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[rpupkin]

Serious question: If it's bad form to post about your associate offer on FB, why isn't it bad form to post about it here as well?

I don't care about either one. But aren't the same considerations in play--i.e., the people without offers are going to feel like shit?

[Anonymous User]

Serious question: If it's bad form to post about your associate offer on FB, why isn't it bad form to post about it here as well?

I don't care about either one. But aren't the same considerations in play--i.e., the people without offers are going to feel like shit?

But here it's anonymous, and its more about information sharing--as in--now I know that X firm's offers have gone out. If I'm an SA at X firm, then I know I'm fucked.

[Old Gregg]

Serious question: If it's bad form to post about your associate offer on FB, why isn't it bad form to post about it here as well?

I don't care about either one. But aren't the same considerations in play--i.e., the people without offers are going to feel like shit?

But here it's anonymous, and its more about information sharing--as in--now I know that X firm's offers have gone out. If I'm an SA at X firm, then I know I'm fucked.

Yeah, except the most crucial aspect of that information sharing (i.e., the firm X bit) is almost never included.

[SemperLegal]

Its perfectly ok to post offers on facebook. Law students need to realize that they are not the center of the world. Its not like posting of grades, which is only for the benefit of other classmates and is self-serving. Having a permanent offer decides what state you are going to be a lawyer in and where you are going to live for the next half decade or so. Its very important information that a lot of people who are not law students care about.

Fuck anyone who makes me have to call all my relatives and friends individually and tell them that my wife and I are moving permanently to LA. I am just going to blast it on Facebook and continue dodging their calls. If that makes you sad, sorry your parents raised a sissy.

[Anonymous User]

Serious question: If it's bad form to post about your associate offer on FB, why isn't it bad form to post about it here as well?

I don't care about either one. But aren't the same considerations in play--i.e., the people without offers are going to feel like shit?

But here it's anonymous, and its more about information sharing--as in--now I know that X firm's offers have gone out. If I'm an SA at X firm, then I know I'm fucked.

Yeah, except the most crucial aspect of that information sharing (i.e., the firm X bit) is almost never included.

Well why not...

[rpupkin]

Serious question: If it's bad form to post about your associate offer on FB, why isn't it bad form to post about it here as well?

I don't care about either one. But aren't the same considerations in play--i.e., the people without offers are going to feel like shit?

But here it's anonymous, and its more about information sharing--as in--now I know that X firm's offers have gone out. If I'm an SA at X firm, then I know I'm fucked.

I don't buy the "information sharing" angle. First, almost no one posts that they work at "X" firm, so we don't really know which firms are doing what. Plus, if you work at a firm with a class of summers, you don't need TLS to know that your firm has made offers to your fellow summer associates.

We know that most of the large firms in major markets have 100% offer rates or close to it. And we know that offer rates among smaller and/or regional firms are more spotty. The anecdotes shared here don't change any of that.

[Anonymous User]

Serious question: If it's bad form to post about your associate offer on FB, why isn't it bad form to post about it here as well?

I don't care about either one. But aren't the same considerations in play--i.e., the people without offers are going to feel like shit?

But here it's anonymous, and its more about information sharing--as in--now I know that X firm's offers have gone out. If I'm an SA at X firm, then I know I'm fucked.

I don't buy the "information sharing" angle. First, almost no one posts that they work at "X" firm, so we don't really know which firms are doing what. Plus, if you work at a firm with a class of summers, you don't need TLS to know that your firm has made offers to your fellow summer associates.

We know that most of the large firms in major markets have 100% offer rates or close to it. And we know that offer rates among smaller and/or regional firms are more spotty. The anecdotes shared here don't change any of that.

How can you get a kick out of posting about an achievement anonymously? I dispute that posting about offers here is on the same level of braggery as on FB. That being said...CAN PEOPLE INCLUDE WHICH FIRMS HAVE OFFERS?? I AM KILLING MYSELF WITH ANXIETY.

[Anonymous User]

Serious question: If it's bad form to post about your associate offer on FB, why isn't it bad form to post about it here as well?

I don't care about either one. But aren't the same considerations in play--i.e., the people without offers are going to feel like shit?

But here it's anonymous, and its more about information sharing--as in--now I know that X firm's offers have gone out. If I'm an SA at X firm, then I know I'm fucked.

I don't buy the "information sharing" angle. First, almost no one posts that they work at "X" firm, so we don't really know which firms are doing what. Plus, if you work at a firm with a class of summers, you don't need TLS to know that your firm has made offers to your fellow summer associates.

We know that most of the large firms in major markets have 100% offer rates or close to it. And we know that offer rates among smaller and/or regional firms are more spotty. The anecdotes shared here don't change any of that.

Also for me, the information is pretty crucial since our firm traditionally has a meeting on the last day to give out offers en masse. However, I ended the summer early and won't be part of that meeting, so I'm sitting here sweating balls.

[DELG]

Its perfectly ok to post offers on facebook. Law students need to realize that they are not the center of the world. Its not like posting of grades, which is only for the benefit of other classmates and is self-serving. Having a permanent offer decides what state you are going to be a lawyer in and where you are going to live for the next half decade or so. Its very important information that a lot of people who are not law students care about.

Fuck anyone who makes me have to call all my relatives and friends individually and tell them that my wife and I are moving permanently to LA. I am just going to blast it on Facebook and continue dodging their calls. If that makes you sad, sorry your parents raised a sissy.

Personally believing a widely accepted norm is stupid doesn't stop people from thinking you're an asshole for violating it. And if most everyone thinks you're an asshole...

[SemperLegal]

Its perfectly ok to post offers on facebook. Law students need to realize that they are not the center of the world. Its not like posting of grades, which is only for the benefit of other classmates and is self-serving. Having a permanent offer decides what state you are going to be a lawyer in and where you are going to live for the next half decade or so. Its very important information that a lot of people who are not law students care about.

Fuck anyone who makes me have to call all my relatives and friends individually and tell them that my wife and I are moving permanently to LA. I am just going to blast it on Facebook and continue dodging their calls. If that makes you sad, sorry your parents raised a sissy.

Personally believing a widely accepted norm is stupid doesn't stop people from thinking you're an asshole for violating it. And if most everyone thinks you're an asshole...

Its not widely-accepted, its just navel-gazing at its finest. HTH.

[A. Nony Mouse]

Every time this comes up on TLS it's clear that yes, it is widely accepted. People feel strongly the other way, too, but it's not some tiny fringe saying it's braggy.

Also, the difference is that TLS is not FB. This is the safe place to brag. People post about grades here, too.

[SemperLegal]

Every time this comes up on TLS it's clear that yes, it is widely accepted. People feel strongly the other way, too, but it's not some tiny fringe saying it's braggy.

Also, the difference is that TLS is not FB. This is the safe place to brag. People post about grades here, too.

Clearly the majority of Americans are ok with bragging on FB. That's pretty much all its for.

The difference is that grades only effect law students [everyone else assumes we all get A+ like every other grad school], and the majority of law students don't want to see grades. But, job offers aren't law-specific, it is real world news of the kind that are regularly shared on FB [in fact, there's a specific button you press to report a new job].

Posting fully-anonymous offers on TLS makes little to no sense other than to serve as an outlet for people who have no one else to tell.

[DELG]

Its perfectly ok to post offers on facebook. Law students need to realize that they are not the center of the world. Its not like posting of grades, which is only for the benefit of other classmates and is self-serving. Having a permanent offer decides what state you are going to be a lawyer in and where you are going to live for the next half decade or so. Its very important information that a lot of people who are not law students care about.

Fuck anyone who makes me have to call all my relatives and friends individually and tell them that my wife and I are moving permanently to LA. I am just going to blast it on Facebook and continue dodging their calls. If that makes you sad, sorry your parents raised a sissy.

Personally believing a widely accepted norm is stupid doesn't stop people from thinking you're an asshole for violating it. And if most everyone thinks you're an asshole...

Its not widely-accepted, its just navel-gazing at its finest. HTH.

Everyone talks shit behind the backs of people who do it. You wouldn't know if you're the one doing it.

[Old Gregg]

Yeah, your FB litmus test shouldn't be based on whether people do not respond negatively to a post. The litmus test should be "is this about me" and "am I really, when I search deeply within my motivations, just trying to talk about how good I am?" (the latter test should cover humble brags when you search deeply enough within yourself), then just don't post it.

[SemperLegal]

Its perfectly ok to post offers on facebook. Law students need to realize that they are not the center of the world. Its not like posting of grades, which is only for the benefit of other classmates and is self-serving. Having a permanent offer decides what state you are going to be a lawyer in and where you are going to live for the next half decade or so. Its very important information that a lot of people who are not law students care about.

Fuck anyone who makes me have to call all my relatives and friends individually and tell them that my wife and I are moving permanently to LA. I am just going to blast it on Facebook and continue dodging their calls. If that makes you sad, sorry your parents raised a sissy.

Personally believing a widely accepted norm is stupid doesn't stop people from thinking you're an asshole for violating it. And if most everyone thinks you're an asshole...

Its not widely-accepted, its just navel-gazing at its finest. HTH.

Everyone talks shit behind the backs of people who do it. You wouldn't know if you're the one doing it.

Do me a favor. Go to FB and do a search for #NewJob and see how many hits come up in the last hour. Announcing a life milestone (TM) on Facebook, normally followed by the word #BLESSED is as standard a post as it comes. Maybe law students talk shit behind their backs, but I think that says more about the whiner than the subject.

[Mal Reynolds]

Besides chronic buzzfeed posters, people like you are the reason why facebook is so terrible.

[SemperLegal]

Yeah, your FB litmus test shouldn't be based on whether people do not respond negatively to a post. The litmus test should be "is this about me" and "am I really, when I search deeply within my motivations, just trying to talk about how good I am?" (the latter test should cover humble brags when you search deeply enough within yourself), then just don't post it.

I mean, thats dumb. Of course it should be about the poster, I would rather 100% of the time find out about a buddies new baby than hear some idiots comments on Gaza. Facebook is about sharing news about yourself with others.

I agree with the second part of that test, but I think an offer (assuming you haven't been posting about it all summer) passes the test. Posting grades is just to show off how much better you are than other people. Posting that you are going to be living in XX from graduation on wards, and will (hopefully) be licensed to practice in that state is actually relevant to third parties for more than just a brag factor, and therefore passes the test.

[DELG]

Yes, law students are awful people. People who will judge you for being the asshole who announces job offers on Facebook. It's not like other job offers. It's not like other social circles. It's a prickly business. And you're being an asshole.

[Old Gregg]

Do me a favor. Go to FB and do a search for #NewJob and see how many hits come up in the last hour. Announcing a life milestone (TM) on Facebook, normally followed by the word #BLESSED is as standard a post as it comes. Maybe law students talk shit behind their backs, but I think that says more about the whiner than the subject.

NEWSFLASH: HUMANS ARE SELF-CENTERED AND LOVE TALKING ABOUT THEMSELVES.


Yes, we all get it. People do it. Tons of people do it. Lots of people also fart. Doesn't make it any less unpleasant.

[Old Gregg]

Yeah, your FB litmus test shouldn't be based on whether people do not respond negatively to a post. The litmus test should be "is this about me" and "am I really, when I search deeply within my motivations, just trying to talk about how good I am?" (the latter test should cover humble brags when you search deeply enough within yourself), then just don't post it.

I mean, thats dumb. Of course it should be about the poster, I would rather 100% of the time find out about a buddies new baby than hear some idiots comments on Gaza. Facebook is about sharing news about yourself with others.

I agree with the second part of that test, but I think an offer (assuming you haven't been posting about it all summer) passes the test. Posting grades is just to show off how much better you are than other people. Posting that you are going to be living in XX from graduation on wards, and will (hopefully) be licensed to practice in that state is actually relevant to third parties for more than just a brag factor, and therefore passes the test.

False dilemma dude. I don't want to read someone's opinion on Gaza or some law student's self important fucking explanation of a SCOTUS decision. My purpose on Facebook is to read and post funny and/or interesting shit. Anything more serious than that and you go on the "hide from feed" list. simple as that.