UChicago OCI 2014 Forum

[Anonymous User]

Dpw offer. Transfer. Cb was the 11th

[Crowing]

I want to do litigation in NYC. I've narrowed down the firms I like to S&C, Skadden, Cleary, and Simpson Thacher. I've heard that all these firms basically do the same work and I should go with fit, but everyone I've met at all these firms is really great and I can't decide. I'd appreciate some input.

Congrats on all of your offers. Must be really difficult for you to have to decide between your many options. Given your complete lack of social awareness, I think you'll fit in well at S&C

This was very brave anon. You seem far worse than the original comment.

Yeah second anon sounds absolutely insufferable

[2014]

I want to do litigation in NYC. I've narrowed down the firms I like to S&C, Skadden, Cleary, and Simpson Thacher. I've heard that all these firms basically do the same work and I should go with fit, but everyone I've met at all these firms is really great and I can't decide. I'd appreciate some input.

Congrats on all of your offers. Must be really difficult for you to have to decide between your many options. Given your complete lack of social awareness, I think you'll fit in well at S&C

Outed and warned for anon abuse.

The question was a completely valid one to ask, the one without social awareness here is you and the stick up your ass.

E- To the anon who asked, I think this is just a fit question unless you prefer the clients at one or the other firms.

Simpson and S&C are very similar firms. Both are NYC centric with a few stable sattellites. Both are relatively conservative. Both do a lot of work with and for banks. Between those two the question is Midtown/FiDi and fit, there isn't much to objectively go off of.

Cleary is more international focus and while still being NYC centric I think it's non NY offices are less satellite-ish and more influential. Particularly strong in DC and South America if either of those interest you. Obviously the FiDi thing applies here and could be a plus or minus.

Skadden is unique amongst the major hirers of UChi folks in NYC because it's a global mega firm. That comes with pros and cons which I'm sure you've thought about. Again fit is a big deal here.


In your shoes I would probably start by choosing my preference between S&C/STB and Cleary/Skadden and from there maybe do 2nd looks at those 2 or otherwise choose between them. I would caution you for all of these firms to do your best to differentiate the work experience and the recruiting experience. S&C and Skadden do more recruiting bells and whistles than STB or Cleary which isn't inherently good or bad but you should really try to avoid letting that sway your decision.

[Mal Reynolds]

Lol thanks for outing that douche, mods.

[Anonymous User]

Dpw offer. Transfer. Cb was the 11th

+1, non-transfer. CB was also yesterday.

[Anonymous User]

Bb DC post cb ding, cb on the 5th

[Anonymous User]

STB offer today from CB yesterday

[Anonymous User]

McDermott offer. Cb was the 9th

[Anonymous User]

I am just now starting to get emails asking for screener interviews from NYC firms on Symplicity I emailed over a month ago, so for those of you still searching, don't give up hope just yet!

[Anonymous User]

Anyone doing K&L Gates Chicago? Just accepted my offer there.

[Anonymous User]

I am just now starting to get emails asking for screener interviews from NYC firms on Symplicity I emailed over a month ago, so for those of you still searching, don't give up hope just yet!

Lol, any chance that firm name starts with a vowel? I got one too

[Mal Reynolds]

Yeah I got an email from Orrick. I did not apply there.

[Anonymous User]

Yeah I got an email from Orrick. I did not apply there.

They randomly emailed you asking if you want a screener? Lol!

[Anonymous User]

I am just now starting to get emails asking for screener interviews from NYC firms on Symplicity I emailed over a month ago, so for those of you still searching, don't give up hope just yet!

Lol, any chance that firm name starts with a vowel? I got one too

Haha yeah, and as Mal guessed, one of them was from Orrick. But two others sent out screener invites as well. This might just be super-generic Friday where they send everyone an email.

Anyway, I was trying to raise morale, but I guess that backfired seeing as everyone is receiving these seemingly-random emails lol.

[Anonymous User]

Haha, Orrick must really like us then. I'll take it. I have to go out to NY on Thursday anyway.

[Anonymous User]

I like a NYC firm the best, but like Chicago better as a city and place to settle. What's the play here? I find myself lowering the bar for my Chicago options just because they're in Chicago and i'd like to stay, whereas the NYC firm feels like such a good fit re: people/practice groups. Is anyone in a similar situation?

[Neal Patrick Harris]

I like a NYC firm the best, but like Chicago better as a city and place to settle. What's the play here? I find myself lowering the bar for my Chicago options just because they're in Chicago and i'd like to stay, whereas the NYC firm feels like such a good fit re: people/practice groups. Is anyone in a similar situation?

This depends on the two firms, tbh.

PM me with specifics.

[Anonymous User]

I like a NYC firm the best, but like Chicago better as a city and place to settle. What's the play here? I find myself lowering the bar for my Chicago options just because they're in Chicago and i'd like to stay, whereas the NYC firm feels like such a good fit re: people/practice groups. Is anyone in a similar situation?

This depends on the two firms, tbh.

PM me with specifics.

I'm okay posting here for the sake of posterity. It's Debevoise and Sidley/Mayer Brown/McDermott. I haven't met Kirkland yet but if i get an offer from them then the calculus might change depending on how much i like them. I also have an offer from Davis Polk but I didn't really feel any chemistry there and i'm not too interested. Am leaning corporate.

[skers]

If you're a social person, I'd caution against Debevoise as I've heard some negative things on that front. Those three firms are all very different. Do you have an offer at all 3? I think Chicago is a much better city and corporate work at, for instance, Sidley isn't really lowering the bar.

[2014]

I'd probably stick with Chi in your shoes. Sidley is a bigger player in the Chi market than Deb is in NYC (though Deb is of course a very good firm) but your city preference is a huge deal. Unless you want to do some sort of work that Deb does that Sidley doesn't (securities maybe?) that's a little different.

[Anonymous User]

Congrats to everyone who is doing so well! Just wanted to throw out a quick reminder that according to NALP guidelines "a student should not hold open more than five offers of employment at any one time. For each offer received that places a student over the offer limit, the students should, within one week or receipt of the excess offer, release an offer."

[Anonymous User]

Congrats to everyone who is doing so well! Just wanted to throw out a quick reminder that according to NALP guidelines "a student should not hold open more than five offers of employment at any one time. For each offer received that places a student over the offer limit, the students should, within one week or receipt of the excess offer, release an offer."

Are we supposed to be updating OCS with our offers? Just wondering how that NALP provision is actually enforced if no one knows how many offers each candidate has

[Robb]

Congrats to everyone who is doing so well! Just wanted to throw out a quick reminder that according to NALP guidelines "a student should not hold open more than five offers of employment at any one time. For each offer received that places a student over the offer limit, the students should, within one week or receipt of the excess offer, release an offer."

Are we supposed to be updating OCS with our offers? Just wondering how that NALP provision is actually enforced if no one knows how many offers each candidate has

Regarding employers that link says "Compliance with the NALP Principles and Standards is voluntary" so there's not really anything to enforce assuming the same applies to students.

edit:o here's a whole thread about this

[Anonymous User]

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This is Robb but I don't have enough posts to post images so I'm posting Anon.

[2014]

Congrats to everyone who is doing so well! Just wanted to throw out a quick reminder that according to NALP guidelines "a student should not hold open more than five offers of employment at any one time. For each offer received that places a student over the offer limit, the students should, within one week or receipt of the excess offer, release an offer."

Are we supposed to be updating OCS with our offers? Just wondering how that NALP provision is actually enforced if no one knows how many offers each candidate has

Like all NALP things it is not enforced or enforceable. OCS doesn't care about your offers, only where you ultimately accept.

It is ridiculous to hold 6 open offers though, you should be able to narrow it down better than that.