Summer Classes of 2022 Edition Forum

[Anonymous User]

Have to respect that John Marshall hustle...beating out UIUC, Kent and DePaul

good washu representation too

Yeah definitely but I think a t20 placing five people in a huge SA class at what is either it's #1 or #2 target market (probably ahead of NYC I bet) is not as surprising as John Marshall (in some people's view the "worst" law school in chicago) placing five people at (in some people's view) the "best" firm in the city significantly outpacing. John Marshall has always produced some great attorneys and I can attest to that personally I'm just surprised K&E took so many this year. Shows not all law schools of similar ranks are created anywhere near the same, as a lower-ranked law school in a huge legal market with a ton of local alumni is a far, far cry from another unranked school in a market with few jobs and where it has minimal local connections

was a 1L at WashU, probably close to equal split between NYC and Chicago but weirdly Chi is seen as more attainable cuz limited number of NYC firms attend our OCI. 5 from WashU pretty surprising tho - historically, K&E has only taken 1 or 2 per year.

Winston is seen as a bit of a pipeline. Kirkland/Latham are seen as really tough to get with high GPA floors for screeners. Sidley/Jenner only take LCLD candidates. Mayer Brown doesn't hire out of WashU at all. Not really sure what happens after those 5 tho.

Strong points on John Marshall though. Agree about schools =/= rank within markets. Hence Fordham year after year in NYC

This isn't really true and it varies year to year anyway. As a recent grad, just wanted to correct that since I know there's always a number of WashU students that lurk on here

I'm curious where you would push back on this? WashU is 100% overrepresented at Winston compared to the other big Chicago firms. None of Jenner, Mayer Brown, and Latham came to OCI last year or attended the "Chicago Symposium." I think it is pretty well recognized that Kirkland/Sidley have high GPA thresholds, both based on the 2L's going to these firms and the profiles of WashU alums currently at these firms (either are magna or have extenuating circumstances - JD/MBA, post-clerkship hire, patent bar qualified, etc)

[Anonymous User]

To keep this thread organized and perhaps encourage some further on-topic sharing, here's what we have so far...

GDC DC - viewtopic.php?f=23&t=312287#p10513932
MTO - viewtopic.php?f=23&t=312287#p10513999
PW - viewtopic.php?f=23&t=312287#p10514116
STB NY - viewtopic.php?f=23&t=312287#p10514163
KE Bay Area - viewtopic.php?f=23&t=312287#p10514211
Williams & Connolly - viewtopic.php?f=23&t=312287#p10514251
Skadden NY - viewtopic.php?f=23&t=312287&start=25#p10514401
Sidley DC - viewtopic.php?f=23&t=312287&start=25#p10514412
Quinn - viewtopic.php?f=23&t=312287&start=25#p10514413
KE Chicago - viewtopic.php?f=23&t=312287&start=75#p10514598
Fenwick - viewtopic.php?f=23&t=312287&start=75#p10514644
Cleary - viewtopic.php?f=23&t=312287&start=75#p10514650
GDC LA - viewtopic.php?f=23&t=312287&start=100#p10515078
JD Cleveland - viewtopic.php?f=23&t=312287&start=100#p10515207
Morgan Lewis - viewtopic.php?f=23&t=312287&start=100#p10517065

[Anonymous User]

Have to respect that John Marshall hustle...beating out UIUC, Kent and DePaul

good washu representation too

Yeah definitely but I think a t20 placing five people in a huge SA class at what is either it's #1 or #2 target market (probably ahead of NYC I bet) is not as surprising as John Marshall (in some people's view the "worst" law school in chicago) placing five people at (in some people's view) the "best" firm in the city significantly outpacing. John Marshall has always produced some great attorneys and I can attest to that personally I'm just surprised K&E took so many this year. Shows not all law schools of similar ranks are created anywhere near the same, as a lower-ranked law school in a huge legal market with a ton of local alumni is a far, far cry from another unranked school in a market with few jobs and where it has minimal local connections

was a 1L at WashU, probably close to equal split between NYC and Chicago but weirdly Chi is seen as more attainable cuz limited number of NYC firms attend our OCI. 5 from WashU pretty surprising tho - historically, K&E has only taken 1 or 2 per year.

Winston is seen as a bit of a pipeline. Kirkland/Latham are seen as really tough to get with high GPA floors for screeners. Sidley/Jenner only take LCLD candidates. Mayer Brown doesn't hire out of WashU at all. Not really sure what happens after those 5 tho.

Strong points on John Marshall though. Agree about schools =/= rank within markets. Hence Fordham year after year in NYC

This isn't really true and it varies year to year anyway. As a recent grad, just wanted to correct that since I know there's always a number of WashU students that lurk on here

I'm curious where you would push back on this? WashU is 100% overrepresented at Winston compared to the other big Chicago firms. None of Jenner, Mayer Brown, and Latham came to OCI last year or attended the "Chicago Symposium." I think it is pretty well recognized that Kirkland/Sidley have high GPA thresholds, both based on the 2L's going to these firms and the profiles of WashU alums currently at these firms (either are magna or have extenuating circumstances - JD/MBA, post-clerkship hire, patent bar qualified, etc)

good Notre Dame representation too

[Anonymous User]

DPW (156 total, 21 1Ls) (edited to reflect nationwide, not just NY)

Harvard (22) (1 1L)
NYU (20) (3 1Ls)
Columbia (17) (1 1L)
Stanford (11) (3 1Ls)
Yale (10)
Cornell (8) (3 1Ls)
Berkeley (7) (2 1Ls)
Georgetown (7) (2 1Ls)
Penn (6) (1 1L)
Duke (5)
Michigan (5) (3 1Ls)
UVA (5)
Northwestern (4) (1 1L)
Brooklyn (3)
Chicago (3)
Fordham (3)
Toronto (3)
GW (2)
Howard (2) (1 1L)
UCLA (2)
Boston College
Buffalo
Emory
Hofstra
Miami
Pace
St. Johns
Tulane
UC Davis
University of Texas
USC

[Anonymous User]

DPW NY (156 total, 21 1Ls)
[…]
Stanford (11) (3 1Ls)

Only thing that jumps out to me is Stanford going from 3 (‘21) → 11 (‘22)

ETA: also, DPW isn’t (other firms too?) cutting down on class size; guess that says something about the firm’s confidence & market outlook for 2023 and beyond

[Anonymous User]

DPW NY (156 total, 21 1Ls)
[…]
Stanford (11) (3 1Ls)

Only thing that jumps out to me is Stanford going from 3 (‘21) → 11 (‘22)

ETA: also, DPW isn’t (other firms too?) cutting down on class size; guess that says something about the firm’s confidence & market outlook for 2023 and beyond

2L at SLS here. This could be 100% right but something looks off about that, generally everyone kind of sort of knows where everyone is going, especially when it's in this quantity. So 10 in Cravath and 10 at Covington dc sounds about right, but thus far have not heard of any DPWs in NY.

[Anonymous User]

DPW NY (156 total, 21 1Ls)
[…]
Stanford (11) (3 1Ls)

Only thing that jumps out to me is Stanford going from 3 (‘21) → 11 (‘22)

ETA: also, DPW isn’t (other firms too?) cutting down on class size; guess that says something about the firm’s confidence & market outlook for 2023 and beyond

2L at SLS here. This could be 100% right but something looks off about that, generally everyone kind of sort of knows where everyone is going, especially when it's in this quantity. So 10 in Cravath and 10 at Covington dc sounds about right, but thus far have not heard of any DPWs in NY.

Huh, but wouldn’t 10 at Cravath be equally weird? Cravath had zero SAs from SLS last year (supposedly).

Are you saying that this year’s DPW list and last year’s Cravath list are both off?

[Anonymous User]

SLS 3L here -- there were at least 2-3 classmates at CSM last summer, so that list you referenced is incomplete.

[Anonymous User]

That post is slightly off. The schools breakdown is correct, but there are 156 total summers for all three DPW offices (NY, DC, SV). Of the 11 SLS SAs, only 2 are in NY (2 in DC, 7 in SV). Overall, its 130 SAs in NY, 17 in SV, 11 in DC.

[Anonymous User]

DPW NY (156 total, 21 1Ls)
[…]
Stanford (11) (3 1Ls)

Only thing that jumps out to me is Stanford going from 3 (‘21) → 11 (‘22)

ETA: also, DPW isn’t (other firms too?) cutting down on class size; guess that says something about the firm’s confidence & market outlook for 2023 and beyond

2L at SLS here. This could be 100% right but something looks off about that, generally everyone kind of sort of knows where everyone is going, especially when it's in this quantity. So 10 in Cravath and 10 at Covington dc sounds about right, but thus far have not heard of any DPWs in NY.

Huh, but wouldn’t 10 at Cravath be equally weird? Cravath had zero SAs from SLS last year (supposedly).

Are you saying that this year’s DPW list and last year’s Cravath list are both off?

And Cov DC is more like 3 from SLS, not 10: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=309072&start=250#p10477177

Not sure where SLS 2L is getting their numbers from. “Everybody kind of sort of knows” is generally not a reliable or accurate source — not due to any fraud or deception or w/e, but simply the fact that “I heard X got an offer from Covington” can become “I heard from Y that X is going to Covington this summer,” thanks to the game of telephone.

[Anonymous User]

DPW NY (156 total, 21 1Ls)

Harvard (22) (1 1L)
NYU (20) (3 1Ls)
Columbia (17) (1 1L)
Stanford (11) (3 1Ls)
Yale (10)
Cornell (8) (3 1Ls)
Berkeley (7) (2 1Ls)
Georgetown (7) (2 1Ls)
Penn (6) (1 1L)
Duke (5)
Michigan (5) (3 1Ls)
UVA (5)
Northwestern (4) (1 1L)
Brooklyn (3)
Chicago (3)
Fordham (3)
Toronto (3)
GW (2)
Howard (2) (1 1L)
UCLA (2)
Boston College
Buffalo
Emory
Hofstra
Miami
Pace
St. Johns
Tulane
UC Davis
University of Texas
USC

Never knew DPW hired so many 1l's -- I was only aware of myself and someone else from my school at the time, and I thought everyone could smell the inexperience on me.

All that to say, don't worry about it kids, it was dumb to be so nervous.

[Anonymous User]

DPW NY (156 total, 21 1Ls)
[…]
Stanford (11) (3 1Ls)

Only thing that jumps out to me is Stanford going from 3 (‘21) → 11 (‘22)

ETA: also, DPW isn’t (other firms too?) cutting down on class size; guess that says something about the firm’s confidence & market outlook for 2023 and beyond

2L at SLS here. This could be 100% right but something looks off about that, generally everyone kind of sort of knows where everyone is going, especially when it's in this quantity. So 10 in Cravath and 10 at Covington dc sounds about right, but thus far have not heard of any DPWs in NY.

Post is correct re: total number of SAs, but there's 156 across all 3 offices (130 NY, 17 SV, 11 DC). Of the 11 SLS SAs, 7 are in SV and 2 are in DC.

[Anonymous User]

DPW NY (156 total, 21 1Ls)

Harvard (22) (1 1L)
NYU (20) (3 1Ls)
Columbia (17) (1 1L)
Stanford (11) (3 1Ls)
Yale (10)
...

Are you sure that this is only DPW NYC? The number of HLS, SLS and YLS folks choosing DPW is insane compared to STB.

[Anonymous User]

DPW NY (156 total, 21 1Ls)
[…]
Stanford (11) (3 1Ls)

Only thing that jumps out to me is Stanford going from 3 (‘21) → 11 (‘22)

ETA: also, DPW isn’t (other firms too?) cutting down on class size; guess that says something about the firm’s confidence & market outlook for 2023 and beyond

2L at SLS here. This could be 100% right but something looks off about that, generally everyone kind of sort of knows where everyone is going, especially when it's in this quantity. So 10 in Cravath and 10 at Covington dc sounds about right, but thus far have not heard of any DPWs in NY.

Huh, but wouldn’t 10 at Cravath be equally weird? Cravath had zero SAs from SLS last year (supposedly).

Are you saying that this year’s DPW list and last year’s Cravath list are both off?

And Cov DC is more like 3 from SLS, not 10: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=309072&start=250#p10477177

Not sure where SLS 2L is getting their numbers from. “Everybody kind of sort of knows” is generally not a reliable or accurate source — not due to any fraud or deception or w/e, but simply the fact that “I heard X got an offer from Covington” can become “I heard from Y that X is going to Covington this summer,” thanks to the game of telephone.

Absolutely anecdotal, not scientific, not accredited, and I'm not saying there are actually 10 going to either of these firms (except Cravath haha), just that if about 8-10% of our small class was going to DPW NY it is extremely likely that would have come up in conversation or in a Linkedin post, but it has not yet. I'm more inclined to think this is maybe DPW numbers nationwide for SLS. A common topic of conversation goes something like "omg so many people are going to X firm or Y firm that'll be so fun" or "wow I'm the only Stanford person in Z firm". Just saying these numbers don't pass the smell test. But as I said earlier, I could be totally wrong and ultimately who cares.

EDITED: Just saw above post, that sounds about right. Looks like the telephone is still at least half-functioning.

[Anonymous User]

DPW NY (156 total, 21 1Ls)
[…]
Stanford (11) (3 1Ls)

Only thing that jumps out to me is Stanford going from 3 (‘21) → 11 (‘22)

ETA: also, DPW isn’t (other firms too?) cutting down on class size; guess that says something about the firm’s confidence & market outlook for 2023 and beyond

2L at SLS here. This could be 100% right but something looks off about that, generally everyone kind of sort of knows where everyone is going, especially when it's in this quantity. So 10 in Cravath and 10 at Covington dc sounds about right, but thus far have not heard of any DPWs in NY.

Also @ SLS--I know a couple people are doing touchbacks from 1L, so maybe that's what they're counting? Also haven't heard of anyone at DPW NY but there are some in Menlo Park iirc.

[Anonymous User]

DPW NY (156 total, 21 1Ls)
[…]
Stanford (11) (3 1Ls)

Only thing that jumps out to me is Stanford going from 3 (‘21) → 11 (‘22)

ETA: also, DPW isn’t (other firms too?) cutting down on class size; guess that says something about the firm’s confidence & market outlook for 2023 and beyond

Guess that says something about the firm’s confidence & market outlook as of last summer, when the hiring decisions for the 2022 summer program were made. If the hiring decisions were being made today, it would be a different story. Class of 2023 lucked out. Don’t expect class of 2024 to be as lucky. Not saying that it will be the bloodbath that befell class of 2011 after firms overhired from class of 2009 and 2010 before the economy collapsed, but I expect firms will scale back their summer programs for next year.

[Anonymous User]

DPW NY (156 total, 21 1Ls)

Harvard (22) (1 1L)
NYU (20) (3 1Ls)
Columbia (17) (1 1L)
Stanford (11) (3 1Ls)
Yale (10)
...

Are you sure that this is only DPW NYC? The number of HLS, SLS and YLS folks choosing DPW is insane compared to STB.

One of the above schools is unlike the rest and should not be a measure of excellence lol

[Anonymous User]

Skadden NYC: 137
[Includes 1Ls and 2Ls]

Harvard (21)
Columbia (17)
NYU (11)
UPenn (11)
Stanford (9)
Fordham (9)
Georgetown (8)
UVA (8)
Cornell (4)
Yale (3)
Cardozo (3)
Northwestern (3)
Duke (3)
Brooklyn Law School (3)
Chicago (3)
University of Michigan (3)
Vanderbilt (3)
Queen’s University (2)
Rutgers (2)
UC Berkeley (2)
University of Toronto (2)
Emory (1)
Howard (1)
Pace (1)
University of Iowa (1)
Villanova (1)
University of North Carolina (1)
Washington University (1)

Low YSC representation. Skadden still leagues behind NY elites confirmed

[Anonymous User]

DPW anon here:

Didn't realize it was nationwide numbers, I don't think the document I was looking at stated it. The breakdown is correct. Idk which office the people are going.

[Anonymous User]

Skadden NYC: 137
[Includes 1Ls and 2Ls]

Harvard (21)
Columbia (17)
NYU (11)
UPenn (11)
Stanford (9)
Fordham (9)
Georgetown (8)
UVA (8)
Cornell (4)
Yale (3)
Cardozo (3)
Northwestern (3)
Duke (3)
Brooklyn Law School (3)
Chicago (3)
University of Michigan (3)
Vanderbilt (3)
Queen’s University (2)
Rutgers (2)
UC Berkeley (2)
University of Toronto (2)
Emory (1)
Howard (1)
Pace (1)
University of Iowa (1)
Villanova (1)
University of North Carolina (1)
Washington University (1)

Wow, a lot of Fordham here.

Weren't YSC students supposed to be too good for Skadden, esp. their NY office?

What's a YSC? Yale Stanford Columbia?

Skadden's headquarters is the NY one. I don't even get the question.

The C is for Chicago, they jumped Harvard in the law school rankings.

It doesn't matter where a firm's headquarters is, New York is less selective than offices in other cities at the same firms because there are way more jobs and a higher cost of living.

That aside, this is a massive summer class for Skadden, almost double what they had in 2020. I wonder if they regret that now that the economy is looking less rosy than it did in OCI season and legal work in the most profitable practices is slowing down.

Skadden's other offices are not even as selective as NY. It's just not a selective firm overall and not even supposed be.

[Anonymous User]

Skadden NYC: 137
[Includes 1Ls and 2Ls]

Harvard (21)
Columbia (17)
NYU (11)
UPenn (11)
Stanford (9)
Fordham (9)
Georgetown (8)
UVA (8)
Cornell (4)
Yale (3)
Cardozo (3)
Northwestern (3)
Duke (3)
Brooklyn Law School (3)
Chicago (3)
..

Low YSC representation. Skadden still leagues behind NY elites confirmed

Which "NY elites" are you comparing it to? There seems to be a decent number of Stanford folks going there.

[Anonymous User]

Skadden NYC: 137
[Includes 1Ls and 2Ls]

Harvard (21)
Columbia (17)
NYU (11)
UPenn (11)
Stanford (9)
Fordham (9)
Georgetown (8)
UVA (8)
Cornell (4)
Yale (3)
Cardozo (3)
Northwestern (3)
Duke (3)
Brooklyn Law School (3)
Chicago (3)
..

Low YSC representation. Skadden still leagues behind NY elites confirmed

Which "NY elites" are you comparing it to? There seems to be a decent number of Stanford folks going there.

White&Case

[Anonymous User]

Skadden NYC: 137
[Includes 1Ls and 2Ls]

Harvard (21)
Columbia (17)
NYU (11)
UPenn (11)
Stanford (9)
Fordham (9)
Georgetown (8)
UVA (8)
Cornell (4)
Yale (3)
Cardozo (3)
Northwestern (3)
Duke (3)
Brooklyn Law School (3)
Chicago (3)
..

Low YSC representation. Skadden still leagues behind NY elites confirmed

Which "NY elites" are you comparing it to? There seems to be a decent number of Stanford folks going there.

White&Case

W&C and Cleary. The most prestigious NY firms.

[Anonymous User]

DPW NY (156 total, 21 1Ls)
[…]
Stanford (11) (3 1Ls)

Only thing that jumps out to me is Stanford going from 3 (‘21) → 11 (‘22)

ETA: also, DPW isn’t (other firms too?) cutting down on class size; guess that says something about the firm’s confidence & market outlook for 2023 and beyond

Well, it says something about what their outlook was last August when these people were hired. I think everyone's has gotten less rosy since then.

[Anonymous User]

DPW NY (156 total, 21 1Ls)

Harvard (22) (1 1L)
NYU (20) (3 1Ls)
Columbia (17) (1 1L)
Stanford (11) (3 1Ls)
Yale (10)
...

Are you sure that this is only DPW NYC? The number of HLS, SLS and YLS folks choosing DPW is insane compared to STB.

One of the above schools is unlike the rest and should not be a measure of excellence lol

Are you slamming NYU?