Michigan OCI 2016 Forum

[Transfer2016]

Anyone willing to share the GPA Qualifications Profiles?

Sincerely,

Desperate transfer who hasn't been given access to it yet.

^ I'm in the same boat. Anybody willing to pm/post would be dope

Same here

[Transfer2016]

Accidental anon above. Also looking for gpa profiles. Thanks.

[Anonymous User]

Transfers,

Have you tried accessing them via the OCP Law Firms and OCI page? If you still can't access them that way I would suggest calling/emailing OCP tomorrow.

[Attrition]

At least for me it goes to an error page

[Anonymous User]

At least for me it goes to an error page

I would definitely call OCP. The data is in an interactive chart and would be much more useful to you in its original form versus any copy + pasted version.

[Anonymous User]

At least for me it goes to an error page

It's not supposed to be shared (so I'm not sending it to someone who I can't verify is a U of M student). However, OCP should have no trouble giving you either access to the page or a spreadsheet with everything in it. I'm sure lawopen would get you a response to.

[EncyclopediaOrange]

At least for me it goes to an error page

It's not supposed to be shared (so I'm not sending it to someone who I can't verify is a U of M student). However, OCP should have no trouble giving you either access to the page or a spreadsheet with everything in it. I'm sure lawopen would get you a response to.

Fair enough! I reached out today but haven't heard back yet. Nothing like crunching numbers at the last minute! Thanks for the input!

[Anonymous User]

At least for me it goes to an error page

It's not supposed to be shared (so I'm not sending it to someone who I can't verify is a U of M student). However, OCP should have no trouble giving you either access to the page or a spreadsheet with everything in it. I'm sure lawopen would get you a response to.

Fair enough! I reached out today but haven't heard back yet. Nothing like crunching numbers at the last minute! Thanks for the input!

LawOpen is prob going to be faster than OCP.


Anyone have 11th hour tips on splitting bids LA/NYC? Above median (not sure by how much because I can't math) and LA ties.

[Anonymous User]

Is there any world in which it would make sense to have bids left over? I'm bidding on two different secondary markets and have about 5 left over... There are other firms I would bid but OCP told me I shouldn't bid more than two areas.

[jrthor10]

I wouldn't necessarily tell interviewers you're bidding more than 2 markets, but definitely use all of your bids.

[Anonymous User]

In the event that you deviate from the bid list you discussed with OCP, can they veto the bids you submit on symplicity?

[cron1834]

Use all your bids unless you're a 3.9+. Full stop.

[deuceindc]

In the event that you deviate from the bid list you discussed with OCP, can they veto the bids you submit on symplicity?

No, they have no veto power over your bids. It's your career, after all.

[Anonymous User]

Looking for some estimate here because I go back and forth all the time on where I probably stand, but where will a 3.62 GPA be after 1L in reference to class ranking? I'm curious how far away I am from "top 10%" that some of the more selective firms in NY say they prefer.

[Anonymous User]

At least for me it goes to an error page

It's not supposed to be shared (so I'm not sending it to someone who I can't verify is a U of M student). However, OCP should have no trouble giving you either access to the page or a spreadsheet with everything in it. I'm sure lawopen would get you a response to.

Fair enough! I reached out today but haven't heard back yet. Nothing like crunching numbers at the last minute! Thanks for the input!

LawOpen is prob going to be faster than OCP.


Anyone have 11th hour tips on splitting bids LA/NYC? Above median (not sure by how much because I can't math) and LA ties.

It's really going to depend on your GPA, but there's a certain valley of above-median GPAs where some LA firms may not necessarily be worth spending a bid on. If you're in the 3.4-3.5 range w/o MLR, interviewing with a firm like Irell or MTO is probably wasting an interview you could spend elsewhere. Latham also dips a bit lower in their overall range but in general their median is pretty up there too.

You should also should be cross-referencing NALP directory to figure out how large summer class sizes are. If the available firms to bid on are similar to last year, it will appear as if you could fill out an entire bid list with LA firms, but that means that you will be interviewing with a lot of places that are satellite offices that really are only taking 1-3 summers for their whole summer class. It really depends on how risk averse you want to be, whether you have someone at the firm you've networked with, and how badly you want LA, but these firms don't appear to be extending offers all that often based on our historical data so in a lot of instances it's more value (IMO) to swap them out for NYC firms with larger class sizes that are going to be less stingy about extending a callback/offer.

Is there any world in which it would make sense to have bids left over? I'm bidding on two different secondary markets and have about 5 left over... There are other firms I would bid but OCP told me I shouldn't bid more than two areas.

Spend your remaining bids on NYC, ideally those firms extending large #s of CBs/offers. Even if you hate NYC, a job there is better than no job at all and you're really on the higher end of the risk scale for that happening if you're splitting bids with two secondary markets. There is simply a larger amount of SA jobs available in NYC and that means firms are far less picky about who they even bring in for a callback.

[Anonymous User]

LA/NYC anon here. Slightly under 3.6, no journal.

This is my bid list so far - any thoughts on firms I should add/leave out or specific firms I should rank higher/lower would be appreciated. All L.A. unless specified NY. A few slots skipped because they are bids on a third market that would probably out me.

1. Milbank
2. Sidley Austin
3. Kirkland & Ellis
4. O'Melveny
6. Gibson Dunn
8. Paul Hastings
9. Skadden Arps
11. Jones Day
12. Willkie Farr (NY)
13. Winston & Strawn
14. Hogan Lovells
15. Holland & Knight
16. Weil (NY)
17. Proskauer (NY)
18. Cravath (NY)
19. Fried Frank (NY)
20. Schulte (NY)
23. Latham
24. Paul Weiss (NY)
25. Debevoise (NY)
26. Simpson Thacher (NY)
27. Greenberg Traurig
28. Pillsbury
29. Alston & Bird
30. BakerHostetler

Edit: updated to put bid list in order

[Anonymous User]

Ok, transfer student here. Interested in Corporate and IP. Bidding is extremely difficult because I don't have the bidding data from career services. I will also be at patent law interview program August 4 and 5. How terrible does this look?


1. Milbank Tweed (NY), Aug 2
2. Shearman & Sterling (NY), Aug 3
3. Cahill Gordon & Reindel (NY), Aug 3
4. Cadwalader Wickersham & taft (NY), Aug 3
5. Mayer Brown (Chi), Aug 2
6. Schulte Roth & Zabel (NY), Aug 2
7. Willkie Farr (NY), Aug 3
8. Debevoise & Plimpton (NY), Aug 2/3
9. Dechert (NY), Aug 3
10. Proskauer (NY), Aug 3
11. McDermott Will & Emory (Chi), Aug 2
12. Foley & Lardner (IP), Aug 2
13. Winston & Strawn (NY), Aug 3
14. Jones Day (NY), Aug 3
15. Sidley Austin (Chi), Aug 3
16. Sidley Austin (NY), Aug 3
17. DLA Piper (Chi), Aug 3
18. Kirkland & Ellis (NY), Aug 2
19. Latham (IP), Aug 2
20. Kramer Levin (NY), Aug 2
21. Desmarais (NY), Aug 2
22. Hughes Hubbard & Reed (NY), Aug 2
23. Axinn Veltrop & Harkrider (NY), Aug 2
24. Curtis-Mallet (NY), Aug 3
25. Paul Hastings (NY), Aug 3
26. O’Melveny (NY),Aug 3
27. Paul Weiss (NY), Aug 3
28. Baker Botts (NY), Aug 2
29. Locke Lord (Chi), Aug 3
30. Morrison & Foerster (NY), Aug 2

[Anonymous User]

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[warby93]

Any transfers that don't have the gpa data can get it from me. I do ask that you PM me for my uniqname first then email me from your umich email address just so I can make sure I'm not unwittingly putting the data into the wrong hands.

[Anonymous User]

Hi transfer here, also in a similar position as anon above. Please any advice on this horrendous bid list would be helpful! Thanks!

1. Prosakuer Rose (NY)
2. Shearman & Sterling (NY)
3. Ropes & Gray (NY)
4. White & Case (NY)
5. Sidley Austin (NY)
6. Gibson Dunn (NY)
7. Skadden (NY)
8. Debevoise (NY)
9. Weil (NY)
10. Wilmerhale (DC)
11. Paul Weiss (NY)
12. Arnold & Porter (DC)
13. Cleary Gottlieb (NY)
14. Davis Polk (NY)
15. Kirkland & Ellis (CHI)
16. Skadden (DC)
17. MoFo (SF)
18. Covington & Burling (DC)
19. Gibson Dunn (DC)
20. Cleary Gottlieb (DC)
21. Simpson Thacher (NY)
22. Williams & Connolly
23. Cravath
24. Munger (LA)
25. Gibson Dunn (SF)
26. Keker & Van Nest (SF)

[Anonymous User]

LA/NYC anon here. Slightly under 3.6, no journal.

This is my bid list so far - any thoughts on firms I should add/leave out or specific firms I should rank higher/lower would be appreciated. All L.A. unless specified NY. A few slots skipped because they are bids on a third market that would probably out me.

1. Milbank
2. Sidley Austin
3. Kirkland & Ellis
4. O'Melveny
6. Gibson Dunn
8. Paul Hastings
9. Skadden Arps
11. Jones Day
12. Willkie Farr (NY)
13. Winston & Strawn
14. Hogan Lovells
15. Holland & Knight
16. Weil (NY)
17. Proskauer (NY)
18. Cravath (NY)
19. Fried Frank (NY)
20. Schulte (NY)
23. Latham
24. Paul Weiss (NY)
25. Debevoise (NY)
26. Simpson Thacher (NY)
27. Greenberg Traurig
28. Pillsbury
29. Alston & Bird
30. BakerHostetler

Edit: updated to put bid list in order

It's hard to say how the game theory of all of this will play out because OCP has given you all different advice on how to structure your bids than we had last year and is withholding the bid % data, but as someone that split basically the same as you (with relatively similar grades to boot), I would say that as a general rule you need your NY firms higher than your LA firms if you want to secure the maximum amount of bids. And given the lack of bid percentage data I would imagine that kids closer to median are going to hedge their bets based off of reported GPA medians, so the lower a firm's median the higher you probably will need to rank them.

Unless your class composition is radically different, there's simply not as much competition over LA firms as there are over those NYC firms. Sidley at #1 is necessary for NYC, but I had Sidley LA in the teens and ended up netting an interview. Schulte is definitely too low. Proskauer NY is almost assuredly too low. Weil probably needs to be higher. Paul Weiss is likely too low, but it looks like their GPA median rose a bit so students might be self-selecting out on bids (15 netted me an interview last year). Unless they've changed the way they're splitting up their interview rooms, Alston & Bird ends up pooling together their interview slots across multiple offices so you'd need them much higher even for LA.

[Anonymous User]

You should really try to get bedding data from a interview coach or something like that. Would be big help for you

Does UM keep first failed bid data (or whatever) like I've heard Columbia does? Or do you mean just go off of the historical GPA data?

[Anonymous User]

Hi transfer here, also in a similar position as anon above. Please any advice on this horrendous bid list would be helpful! Thanks!

1. Prosakuer Rose (NY)
2. Shearman & Sterling (NY)
3. Ropes & Gray (NY)
4. White & Case (NY)
5. Sidley Austin (NY)
6. Gibson Dunn (NY)
7. Skadden (NY)
8. Debevoise (NY)
9. Weil (NY)
10. Wilmerhale (DC)
11. Paul Weiss (NY)
12. Arnold & Porter (DC)
13. Cleary Gottlieb (NY)
14. Davis Polk (NY)
15. Kirkland & Ellis (CHI)
16. Skadden (DC)
17. MoFo (SF)
18. Covington & Burling (DC)
19. Gibson Dunn (DC)
20. Cleary Gottlieb (DC)
21. Simpson Thacher (NY)
22. Williams & Connolly
23. Cravath
24. Munger (LA)
25. Gibson Dunn (SF)
26. Keker & Van Nest (SF)

Only know about the Bay Area firms, but you have to put MoFo higher on your list if you want to get an interview. At least two years ago only about 25% of the people who bid on it got an interview. Literally everyone focused on the Bay Area will be trying to interview with MoFo, so you shouldn't just tack it on in the middle. Your markets are a little bit all over the place (obviously), are you hoping for DC/NY, but have CA ties?

[Anonymous User]

Hi, Yes I have CA ties and wish to practice in NY, DC, or SF

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