1L Summer Job Search C/O 2018 Forum

[usernotfound]

For anyone applying to a federal judicial internship:

What is the consensus on mailing as far as:

Should we use resume paper for cover letter & resume?
Should application be sent in a full sized 9x12 envelope as opposed to standard?
Include writing sample or references?

Can't seem to find a consistent answer and don't want to do something stupid. Thanks.

Clerk here. More information is better, so I'd say include the writing sample and references, and I'd prefer not to read a bunch of applications that are bent/constantly trying to fold up on me, so I vote manila envelope. I don't think resume paper would matter, esp. since some apps will be submitted electronically (at least in some chambers) and thus will just be printed out on normal paper. If you do decide to spring for resume paper, you certainly don't need to print the writing sample on it.

Definitely helpful, thanks. Looks like I'll have to spend a bit more on postage if I go for bigger envelopes, but I guess that's life.

[Gray]

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[pancakes3]

Firm in a secondary market that I have ties to asked if I will be in town over the break to schedule a meeting with some of their attorneys.

Is this a legit offer to interview or more along the lines of the law firm home for the holidays things?

Sounds more like an interview but impossible to say based on your description

Suit up and prepare for the worst IMO

I wont be in town and I dont wanna pay for a flight. Dont big firms (satelite office of a major firm) usually pay for interviews? It doesn't sound like it from the email.

They usually pay for the second round (aka callback) not the first round (screener). They probably won't pay for you to go out but if you're in town already they'll do a screener. That's what it sounds like at least.

When I interviewed for a 1L SA, there wasn't a screener interview and it was straight to CB and I had to interview with 8 different attorneys.

However, given how few 1L SA positions there are, especially for a secondary market, I wouldn't expect a firm to pay for travel. Just makes the selection process easier for them, unless you're a rockstar. You can call up the HR contact and ask though. I don't think it's an autoding to ask.

[Effingham]

I wont be in town and I dont wanna pay for a flight. Dont big firms (satelite office of a major firm) usually pay for interviews? It doesn't sound like it from the email.

Just go, 1L paid jobs are unicorns, practice interviewing with some alum or your career office if possible, it's amazing how much better you'll get at it from now through the end of OCI, and it's very beneficial to learn early.

[Anonymous User]

Having 1L biglaw interviews made me a much better interviewer for 2L OCI. It also made me way less anxious about interviewing. I think it would be worth it just to get a feel for legal interviews, but having a chance at a 1L SA ain't a bad reason either.

[NoBladesNoBows]

[IsThisForReal]

I just got an email ding from a bigfed opening for 1L summer.

That you applied to today??

Imagining that just cracked me up

Wouldn't have surprised me in the slightest

[NoBladesNoBows]

[Anonymous User]

I just got an email ding from a bigfed opening for 1L summer.

That you applied to today??

Imagining that just cracked me up

Wouldn't have surprised me in the slightest

Happened to a find of mine today (a job he applied to in the morning). Must have not liked his app or something.

[03282016]

[buckiguy_sucks]

Also, I know that this is fairly contentious, but is there any sort of authority that suggests applying to 1L jobs immediately actually gives you an advantage? Assuming the deadline is in a month or so.

Sooner > Later, but the marginal few days are probably better spent reviewing materials for issues rather than submitting immediately. That's what I've been told.

2L summer > 1L summer and grades are more important for 2L than what you do 1L. I applied to one thing that's due before exams are over and waiting until the 19th for everything else

[GoneSouth]

Applied today for a judicial internship with a feeder-level judge in a market I have no connections to, so yeah

Going to try to get some apps in to some prominent public interest orgs tomorrow

[rnoodles]

Also, I know that this is fairly contentious, but is there any sort of authority that suggests applying to 1L jobs immediately actually gives you an advantage? Assuming the deadline is in a month or so.

While it's always best to be done sooner than later, I've heard no. Apparently it's pretty much entirely about grades.

[Anonymous User]

Also, I know that this is fairly contentious, but is there any sort of authority that suggests applying to 1L jobs immediately actually gives you an advantage? Assuming the deadline is in a month or so.

I have been explicitly told by multiple partners and recruiters at biglaw firms that they only hire 1Ls who apply on Dec. 1 for non-diversity positions. The applicant pool is usually large enough based on those applicants.

[Hikikomorist]

Also, I know that this is fairly contentious, but is there any sort of authority that suggests applying to 1L jobs immediately actually gives you an advantage? Assuming the deadline is in a month or so.

I have been explicitly told by multiple partners and recruiters at biglaw firms that they only hire 1Ls who apply on Dec. 1 for non-diversity positions. The applicant pool is usually large enough based on those applicants.

I've also been told this by people who actually had 1L summer positions. They indicated their only responses were to messages they sent out 12/1.

[KMart]

Also, I know that this is fairly contentious, but is there any sort of authority that suggests applying to 1L jobs immediately actually gives you an advantage? Assuming the deadline is in a month or so.

I have been explicitly told by multiple partners and recruiters at biglaw firms that they only hire 1Ls who apply on Dec. 1 for non-diversity positions. The applicant pool is usually large enough based on those applicants.

Interesting. Why?

[NoBladesNoBows]

[03282016]

[Law1491]

People, do you send applications to Hiring Attorney or Recruiting Contact?

Thanks

[pancakes3]

recruiting contact.

[buckiguy_sucks]

Why would firms take people for 1L summers with shit grades who applied dec 1 over people with good grades who applied dec 14 when they don't get grades until mid January anyway

I question the "if you don't apply December 1 you're fucked logic" but also don't really care that much about getting a 1L SA anyway so w/e

[BigZuck]

Why would firms take people for 1L summers with shit grades who applied dec 1 over people with good grades who applied dec 14 when they don't get grades until mid January anyway

I question the "if you don't apply December 1 you're fucked logic" but also don't really care that much about getting a 1L SA anyway so w/e

Cuz there's plenty of people with sufficiently good grades that apply December 1st

You're setting up a false dichotomy

[Hand]

Why would firms take people for 1L summers with shit grades who applied dec 1 over people with good grades who applied dec 14 when they don't get grades until mid January anyway

I question the "if you don't apply December 1 you're fucked logic" but also don't really care that much about getting a 1L SA anyway so w/e

well what if positions are limited enough so that they can restrict their hiring to people who both applied on the 1st and have good grades?

ETA scooped

[A. Nony Mouse]

Probably because hiring 1L summers isn't high on anyone's list of favorite things to do, and hiring people who apply on December 1 provides an easy way to limit the field/keep the process short and sweet.

(I have no idea if you are actually fucked if you don't apply on Dec 1, but I can see why firms wouldn't bother dragging the process out.)

[03282016]