OneMoreLawHopeful wrote:bk1 wrote:But that explanation acts as if the outcomes of low LSAT+TTT+top grades are somehow meaningless. I get that people care about the correlation between LSAT and grades (I don't think it's meaningful for school choice, but some people do). I also get that people care about the correlation between grades and employment outcomes (this is mostly meaningful for formulating OCI bidding strategy). But I don't get why those two correlations need to be added together. Unless people legitimately believe that the job outcomes of people with similar grades vary based on their LSAT scores. If that's the case, then I may as well just /self considering humanity is fucked.
I don't really get how you're seeing "low LSAT + TTT + top grades = meaningless" out of anything that has been said in this thread. That seems like an argument you want to have, but that no one else is interested in.
People with high LSAT scores and low ugpas can be confronted with the option "Go to a local TT and get a full ride, or go to a lower t14 for full sticker?" That can be a legitimately difficult decision to make depending upon your goals (Are you willing to risk the possibility of no real legal career for the certainty of no debt? Are you willing to trade potentially life-crippling debt for a much greater chance at a real legal career?); but the calculation *might* be different if it turns out that someone with a high LSAT score is disproportionately likely to blow the curve at the local TT.
The existing studies put out by LSAC aren't very good at answering this question because they don't attempt to control for clustering, so the regression coefficients are likely inaccurate (e.g. since most kids with 172 go to a t14, their numbers will skew the results of the relative few who have the 172 but who nonetheless go to the local TT because that's how regression analysis works). As a result, it's understandable that someone might be looking for more info on the subject.
Now, this thread won't answer the question either, but given your hypothetical about "everyone's numbers everywhere" - then yes, there may be real meaning there for someone that is looking at the no debt v. potentially never having a job tradeoff which is embodied in the question "Do I take the full ride at the local TT, or do I go to the lower t14 for full sticker?"
Maybe we should post UG GPAs and majors as well? I think that could help people. I know I did not do so well on the LSAT, but my law school grades were pretty darn close to my UG grades (law school GPA might have been .04 higher). I also fell much lower than my peers on the LSAT, but not GPA-wise. Several of my classmates had the opposite outcome, where they did much better than the bulk of our class on the LSAT, did not do so hot in law school, and did not get the type of employment they would have liked. I know that this would make identifying a trend (engineering majors compared to English majors) more difficult, but it could be a start.
I understand the "I have an excellent LSAT score, so I will kill everyone at my non-T16 school" mentality, but it doesn't always work out that way. Sometimes, splitters that had low grades in undergrad will have low grades in law school for the same reason. School choice is tricky. I know when I applied, I did not factor in how I would fall on the curve, I considered where I wanted to practice and the school's presence in that market (I would suggest economics to those of you who are looking out of state or up the US News rankings. I didn't, because I wanted to practice in my state, and this school just so happened to be the cheapest and best ranked here. Plus, its grads fair pretty well employment-wise).
Now, it is needless off topic salty bitch anecdotal story time: My shit LSAT score only caused me limited grief, after admission, when some dick was bragging about his 174, hefty scholarship package, and how he was so glad to be in our section because so many of our section mates were rumored waitlisters (might have just seriously outed self). I would be lying if I said that wasn't intimidating, particularly because I was one of those waitlisted people that he thought were idiots. Well, is it wrong that I still take pleasure in the fact that my grades were better than his and that I make nearly 6 figures more than he does? If so, don't want to be right. Bitter story hour/lunch break is over. Boo.
