Summer Classes 2015 Edition--Distributions in OP Forum

[Anonymous User]

http://money.cnn.com/2014/12/14/news/ec ... ?hpt=hp_t2

Poor Texas

I think texas will be ok at current prices but North Dakota will suffer.

[Anonymous User]

Paul Weiss - NY

Total: 132

Yale: 11
Harvard: 13
Columbia: 17
Chicago: 4
NYU: 25
Penn: 8
UVA: 1
Berkeley: 1
Michigan: 3
Northwestern: 3
Cornell: 8
GULC: 8
Texas: 1
WUSTL: 4
Boston U: 1
Fordham: 8
Brooklyn: 3
Cardozo: 2
Howard: 2
Irvine: 1
Toronto: 7
McGill: 1

[FSK]

Paul Weiss - NY

Total: 132

Yale: 11
Harvard: 13
Columbia: 17
Chicago: 4
NYU: 25
Penn: 8
UVA: 1
Berkeley: 1
Michigan: 3
Northwestern: 3
Cornell: 8
GULC: 8
Texas: 1
WUSTL: 4
Boston U: 1
Fordham: 8
Brooklyn: 3
Cardozo: 2
Howard: 2
Irvine: 1
Toronto: 7
McGill: 1

LJL at GULC w/8, Fordham w/8, CROOKLYN w/3, and GW w/0.

[Anonymous User]

132!! is that normal?

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[Anonymous User]

132!! is that normal?

Was like 118 or some shit last year iirc.

And wustl killing it (relatively)

according to last years thread it was about 70-80ish... so almost half as much as this year

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[2014]

I think the only 2 over 100 last year were S&C and DPW, Cravath was close.

NY only though - Others (definitely Skadden) are 100+ firm wide

[anonnymouse]

I think the only 2 over 100 last year were S&C and DPW, Cravath was close.

NY only though - Others (definitely Skadden) are 100+ firm wide

STB NY was 102 according to NALP.

[Anonymous User]

Skadden is easily the least grade selective of the V5 firms. Its recruiting process seems to be the total opposite of S&C's, actually - meaning medianish grades are fine with the right personality.

The thing that interests me is why Skadden NY is substantially less selective than other V5 firms. It has great M&A (the glamor practice for corporate-leaning 2Ls) and Band 1 litigation.

This is the dumbest post ITT, arguably.

Well, fine, but what is it then? Fratty culture? Times Square?

EDIT: So Skadden is less grade-selective by choice, apparently. But the more interesting question is whether the top students at, e.g., CLS--the ones with a lot of V10 offers--take Skadden at lower rates than the other V5 firms. I was saying earlier that it seemed like the answer was yes.

While M&A is the most profitable corporate practice, it's far from the glamour one. Highest leverage, by far the most grueling hours (both in number and distribution during week) if you want to do more than hide as a junior doing diligence for a couple of years. It cannot be overstated how hard it is to make it from year 1 to year 6 as an M&A associate and how low the long term retention is at any firm with a gold-plated M&A practice.

Given the comparative strength of the other practices, I think you'd have to be nuts to take Skadden over the Big Five (and, of course, Wachtell). Burn out of M&A during your rotation at STB, and one of the top 2 or 3 finance groups on the country will be happy to take you. Burn out of M&A at Skadden and you're pushing paper in one of their quantity-over-quality corp departments.

[Old Gregg]

Given the comparative strength of the other practices, I think you'd have to be nuts to take Skadden over the Big Five (and, of course, Wachtell). Burn out of M&A during your rotation at STB, and one of the top 2 or 3 finance groups on the country will be happy to take you. Burn out of M&A at Skadden and you're pushing paper in one of their quantity-over-quality corp departments.

Wow man, you're really trying to win dumbest post of the thread award.

1) Did you just make up the phrase "big five"?

2) Your analysis of lateral options betrays junior associate/law student status. Also, you don't exit into finance groups from M&A. At year three and beyond, the skillsets developed are pretty distinct and you're not shifting from one group to another without either a haircut in pay and seniority or an extremely short leash.

[patagonia93]

Given the comparative strength of the other practices, I think you'd have to be nuts to take Skadden over the Big Five (and, of course, Wachtell). Burn out of M&A during your rotation at STB, and one of the top 2 or 3 finance groups on the country will be happy to take you. Burn out of M&A at Skadden and you're pushing paper in one of their quantity-over-quality corp departments.

Wow man, you're really trying to win dumbest post of the thread award.

1) Did you just make up the phrase "big five"?

2) Your analysis of lateral options betrays junior associate/law student status. Also, you don't exit into finance groups from M&A. At year three and beyond, the skillsets developed are pretty distinct and you're not shifting from one group to another without either a haircut in pay and seniority or an extremely short leash.

i think it's STB associate trying to throw Skadden under the bus, with retarded information at that

[Old Gregg]

i think it's STB associate trying to throw Skadden under the bus, with retarded information at that

Sounds more like a future summer associate (or a 3L). All the worse that it was posted anonymously.

Edit: Fuck it. Just reported it for anonymous abuse. No reason for anonymity here.

[jbagelboy]

Given the comparative strength of the other practices, I think you'd have to be nuts to take Skadden over the Big Five (and, of course, Wachtell). Burn out of M&A during your rotation at STB, and one of the top 2 or 3 finance groups on the country will be happy to take you. Burn out of M&A at Skadden and you're pushing paper in one of their quantity-over-quality corp departments.

Wow man, you're really trying to win dumbest post of the thread award.

1) Did you just make up the phrase "big five"?

2) Your analysis of lateral options betrays junior associate/law student status. Also, you don't exit into finance groups from M&A. At year three and beyond, the skillsets developed are pretty distinct and you're not shifting from one group to another without either a haircut in pay and seniority or an extremely short leash.

Lol I was like what is this big five should I know? Googled it, nothing. What even would the fifth be?

[Old Gregg]

Lol I was like what is this big five should I know? Googled it, nothing. What even would the fifth be?

big five is larger than the big three, except the big three refers to houston firms, but wait i thought big three referred to harvard, stanford, ya... oh no that's the holy trinity or something right?

god this forum is stupid.

[Anonymous User]

What do you think the Paul Weiss numbers mean?

Expected growth? Or less likely for summers to get an offer? Or buffering for expected decreases in law school class sizes?

[utahraptor]

What do you think the Paul Weiss numbers mean?

Expected growth? Or less likely for summers to get an offer?

Paul, Weiss is known to no offer many summer associates as part of their annual blood-trials.

[jbagelboy]

Lol I was like what is this big five should I know? Googled it, nothing. What even would the fifth be?

big five is larger than the big three, except the big three refers to houston firms, but wait i thought big three referred to harvard, stanford, ya... oh no that's the holy trinity or something right?

god this forum is stupid.

Yea i kinda stopped paying attention after "Top 14"

[Mal Reynolds]

What do you think the Paul Weiss numbers mean?

Expected growth? Or less likely for summers to get an offer?

Paul, Weiss is known to no offer many summer associates as part of their annual blood-trials.

Shoulda gone to PDubbs

[911 crisis actor]

What do you think the Paul Weiss numbers mean?

Expected growth? Or less likely for summers to get an offer? Or buffering for expected decreases in law school class sizes?

Means that first-years at PW will be three to a room

[Anonymous User]

Any more?

[Anonymous User]

S&C emailed out a class website that has all the info on it, but I don't feel like manually going through and counting how many are coming from each school. But there are 118 total (firmwide).

[Anonymous User]

The thing that interests me is why Skadden NY is substantially less selective than other V5 firms. It has great M&A (the glamor practice for corporate-leaning 2Ls) and Band 1 litigation.

This is the dumbest post ITT, arguably.

Well, fine, but what is it then? Fratty culture? Times Square?

EDIT: So Skadden is less grade-selective by choice, apparently. But the more interesting question is whether the top students at, e.g., CLS--the ones with a lot of V10 offers--take Skadden at lower rates than the other V5 firms. I was saying earlier that it seemed like the answer was yes.

While M&A is the most profitable corporate practice, it's far from the glamour one. Highest leverage, by far the most grueling hours (both in number and distribution during week) if you want to do more than hide as a junior doing diligence for a couple of years. It cannot be overstated how hard it is to make it from year 1 to year 6 as an M&A associate and how low the long term retention is at any firm with a gold-plated M&A practice.

Given the comparative strength of the other practices, I think you'd have to be nuts to take Skadden over the Big Five (and, of course, Wachtell). Burn out of M&A during your rotation at STB, and one of the top 2 or 3 finance groups on the country will be happy to take you. Burn out of M&A at Skadden and you're pushing paper in one of their quantity-over-quality corp departments.

M&A is the most demanding practice area, but it's one of the groups with the lowest leverage. I don't know about Skadden, but core M&A teams at Cravath/S&C often consist of a partner, a senior/mid-level, and a junior, excluding lawyers doing tax, antitrust, etc. Due diligence must be done even at Wachtell/S&C/Cravath, but a couple of juniors can handle much of the necessary due diligence for M&A deals.

[Anonymous User]

S&C, corrections welcome:

YLS - 16
HLS - 15
CLS - 10
NYU - 10
UVA - 8
Chicago - 6
SLS - 5
Penn - 5
Toronto - 4
BU - 4
NU - 3
Duke - 3
Cornell - 3
GULC - 3
Texas - 3
USC - 3
Michigan - 2
GW - 2
UCLA - 2
Berkeley - 1
Fordham - 1
Osgoode - 1
Minnesota - 1
Vanderbilt - 1
American - 1
Howard - 1
W&L - 1
Notre Dame - 1
WUSTL - 1
OSU - 1
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=118

[Monochromatic Oeuvre]

Wait, one of out every 13 YLS students are going to S&C? That's bizarrely high, right?