Is there discrimination against Asians in biglaw Forum

[Anonymous User]

I don't know if I fall into the right demographic for this thread, but I'm first-generation, Indian-American man (born in US; parents immigrated from India).

Based on my experiences working in NYC biglaw over the past 5 years, I have not seen nor faced discrimination for being Asian / non-white. Further, I have seen discrimination against African-Americans, latinx-Americans and women, with much greater frequency than that I've seen discrimination against Asian men.

Even in this thread, there is an underlying theme that most black and latino persons benefit from affirmative action. While statistically true that AA helps black and latino persons, it is often used as a mark against a lawyer even when that lawyer is perfectly competent / qualified for their position.

I'm not trying to make the Thomas Clarence argument that AA is actually bad for the minorities who benefit from it, but I am making the point that when I walk into the room or get on a call, no one is doubting my competence or thinks I got to my position because of special preferences.

In terms of BD and advancement, it's tough for me to say one way or another as I'm only a mid-level associate and this isn't wholly relevant for me yet. However, I've found that doing good work puts you on good matters. Additionally, in my experience, speaking up and contributing / making your presence known on conference calls gets you invited to BD events (do not speak up if you're a first-year with nothing to add/contribute - your role is probably to take detailed notes and it will annoy your seniors if you do this and we will be hesitant to staff you on future matters).

I do think there are a good amount of partners/seniors who are huge fucking creeps and always trying to get "cute/hot" girls on their matters, and many of the women associates I work with (including my wife) have complained about the same to me in private. If you think that is some kind of advantage, I think you're sorely wrong and need to reevaluate some things.

Finally, do I believe there is racism against Asian men / non-whites in general in big law? Of course I do. We all grew up / live in an inherently racist society and are bombarded by racist/stereotyped media representations that subconsciously indoctrinate us as racists.

Do I believe racism is rampant in biglaw or do Asian men experience much more discrimination than other minority groups? Based on my experience, no.

It's interesting, you are told by certain minority groups (your wife/women) about their experiences and based on that, you affirm their claims of discrimination.

You are told by other minority groups (Asian males/this thread) about their experiences and based on that, yet you deny their claims of discrimination.

You sort of overlap with one group, sure, but I'm not sure why some anecdotal testimony is less valuable/informative than another?

[Anonymous User]

I don't know if I fall into the right demographic for this thread, but I'm first-generation, Indian-American man (born in US; parents immigrated from India).

Based on my experiences working in NYC biglaw over the past 5 years, I have not seen nor faced discrimination for being Asian / non-white. Further, I have seen discrimination against African-Americans, latinx-Americans and women, with much greater frequency than that I've seen discrimination against Asian men.

Even in this thread, there is an underlying theme that most black and latino persons benefit from affirmative action. While statistically true that AA helps black and latino persons, it is often used as a mark against a lawyer even when that lawyer is perfectly competent / qualified for their position.

I'm not trying to make the Thomas Clarence argument that AA is actually bad for the minorities who benefit from it, but I am making the point that when I walk into the room or get on a call, no one is doubting my competence or thinks I got to my position because of special preferences.

In terms of BD and advancement, it's tough for me to say one way or another as I'm only a mid-level associate and this isn't wholly relevant for me yet. However, I've found that doing good work puts you on good matters. Additionally, in my experience, speaking up and contributing / making your presence known on conference calls gets you invited to BD events (do not speak up if you're a first-year with nothing to add/contribute - your role is probably to take detailed notes and it will annoy your seniors if you do this and we will be hesitant to staff you on future matters).

I do think there are a good amount of partners/seniors who are huge fucking creeps and always trying to get "cute/hot" girls on their matters, and many of the women associates I work with (including my wife) have complained about the same to me in private. If you think that is some kind of advantage, I think you're sorely wrong and need to reevaluate some things.

Finally, do I believe there is racism against Asian men / non-whites in general in big law? Of course I do. We all grew up / live in an inherently racist society and are bombarded by racist/stereotyped media representations that subconsciously indoctrinate us as racists.

Do I believe racism is rampant in biglaw or do Asian men experience much more discrimination than other minority groups? Based on my experience, no.

It's interesting, you are told by certain minority groups (your wife/women) about their experiences and based on that, you affirm their claims of discrimination.

You are told by other minority groups (Asian males/this thread) about their experiences and based on that, yet you deny their claims of discrimination.

You sort of overlap with one group, sure, but I'm not sure why some anecdotal testimony is less valuable/informative than another?

I'm not denying anyone's experience. I've caveated several times that in my experience, as another Asian man, I have not seen/experienced discrimination against Asian men.

I'm not really interested in getting into a debate whether Indian men are viewed/treated the same as East Asian men, I'm just offering my experiences on this topic.

[Anonymous User]

I don't know if I fall into the right demographic for this thread, but I'm first-generation, Indian-American man (born in US; parents immigrated from India).

Based on my experiences working in NYC biglaw over the past 5 years, I have not seen nor faced discrimination for being Asian / non-white. Further, I have seen discrimination against African-Americans, latinx-Americans and women, with much greater frequency than that I've seen discrimination against Asian men.

Even in this thread, there is an underlying theme that most black and latino persons benefit from affirmative action. While statistically true that AA helps black and latino persons, it is often used as a mark against a lawyer even when that lawyer is perfectly competent / qualified for their position.

I'm not trying to make the Thomas Clarence argument that AA is actually bad for the minorities who benefit from it, but I am making the point that when I walk into the room or get on a call, no one is doubting my competence or thinks I got to my position because of special preferences.

In terms of BD and advancement, it's tough for me to say one way or another as I'm only a mid-level associate and this isn't wholly relevant for me yet. However, I've found that doing good work puts you on good matters. Additionally, in my experience, speaking up and contributing / making your presence known on conference calls gets you invited to BD events (do not speak up if you're a first-year with nothing to add/contribute - your role is probably to take detailed notes and it will annoy your seniors if you do this and we will be hesitant to staff you on future matters).

I do think there are a good amount of partners/seniors who are huge fucking creeps and always trying to get "cute/hot" girls on their matters, and many of the women associates I work with (including my wife) have complained about the same to me in private. If you think that is some kind of advantage, I think you're sorely wrong and need to reevaluate some things.

Finally, do I believe there is racism against Asian men / non-whites in general in big law? Of course I do. We all grew up / live in an inherently racist society and are bombarded by racist/stereotyped media representations that subconsciously indoctrinate us as racists.

Do I believe racism is rampant in biglaw or do Asian men experience much more discrimination than other minority groups? Based on my experience, no.

It's interesting, you are told by certain minority groups (your wife/women) about their experiences and based on that, you affirm their claims of discrimination.

You are told by other minority groups (Asian males/this thread) about their experiences and based on that, yet you deny their claims of discrimination.

You sort of overlap with one group, sure, but I'm not sure why some anecdotal testimony is less valuable/informative than another?

I'm not denying anyone's experience. I've caveated several times that in my experience, as another Asian man, I have not seen/experienced discrimination against Asian men.

I'm not really interested in getting into a debate whether Indian men are viewed/treated the same as East Asian men, I'm just offering my experiences on this topic.

You absolutely are denying people's experience. I don't know about discrimination in "biglaw" generally but I can say that as an Indian man I have faced discrimination a number of times (and my other friends who are South Asian / East Asian have similarly faced discrimination as well) I have no doubt that I am less likely to make partner in part due to my race.

[Anonymous User]

I don't know if I fall into the right demographic for this thread, but I'm first-generation, Indian-American man (born in US; parents immigrated from India).

Based on my experiences working in NYC biglaw over the past 5 years, I have not seen nor faced discrimination for being Asian / non-white. Further, I have seen discrimination against African-Americans, latinx-Americans and women, with much greater frequency than that I've seen discrimination against Asian men.

Even in this thread, there is an underlying theme that most black and latino persons benefit from affirmative action. While statistically true that AA helps black and latino persons, it is often used as a mark against a lawyer even when that lawyer is perfectly competent / qualified for their position.

I'm not trying to make the Thomas Clarence argument that AA is actually bad for the minorities who benefit from it, but I am making the point that when I walk into the room or get on a call, no one is doubting my competence or thinks I got to my position because of special preferences.

In terms of BD and advancement, it's tough for me to say one way or another as I'm only a mid-level associate and this isn't wholly relevant for me yet. However, I've found that doing good work puts you on good matters. Additionally, in my experience, speaking up and contributing / making your presence known on conference calls gets you invited to BD events (do not speak up if you're a first-year with nothing to add/contribute - your role is probably to take detailed notes and it will annoy your seniors if you do this and we will be hesitant to staff you on future matters).

I do think there are a good amount of partners/seniors who are huge fucking creeps and always trying to get "cute/hot" girls on their matters, and many of the women associates I work with (including my wife) have complained about the same to me in private. If you think that is some kind of advantage, I think you're sorely wrong and need to reevaluate some things.

Finally, do I believe there is racism against Asian men / non-whites in general in big law? Of course I do. We all grew up / live in an inherently racist society and are bombarded by racist/stereotyped media representations that subconsciously indoctrinate us as racists.

Do I believe racism is rampant in biglaw or do Asian men experience much more discrimination than other minority groups? Based on my experience, no.

It's interesting, you are told by certain minority groups (your wife/women) about their experiences and based on that, you affirm their claims of discrimination.

You are told by other minority groups (Asian males/this thread) about their experiences and based on that, yet you deny their claims of discrimination.

You sort of overlap with one group, sure, but I'm not sure why some anecdotal testimony is less valuable/informative than another?

I'm not denying anyone's experience. I've caveated several times that in my experience, as another Asian man, I have not seen/experienced discrimination against Asian men.

I'm not really interested in getting into a debate whether Indian men are viewed/treated the same as East Asian men, I'm just offering my experiences on this topic.

You absolutely are denying people's experience. I don't know about discrimination in "biglaw" generally but I can say that as an Indian man I have faced discrimination a number of times (and my other friends who are South Asian / East Asian have similarly faced discrimination as well) I have no doubt that I am less likely to make partner in part due to my race.

[Anonymous User]

I don't know if I fall into the right demographic for this thread, but I'm first-generation, Indian-American man (born in US; parents immigrated from India).

Based on my experiences working in NYC biglaw over the past 5 years, I have not seen nor faced discrimination for being Asian / non-white. Further, I have seen discrimination against African-Americans, latinx-Americans and women, with much greater frequency than that I've seen discrimination against Asian men.

Even in this thread, there is an underlying theme that most black and latino persons benefit from affirmative action. While statistically true that AA helps black and latino persons, it is often used as a mark against a lawyer even when that lawyer is perfectly competent / qualified for their position.

I'm not trying to make the Thomas Clarence argument that AA is actually bad for the minorities who benefit from it, but I am making the point that when I walk into the room or get on a call, no one is doubting my competence or thinks I got to my position because of special preferences.

In terms of BD and advancement, it's tough for me to say one way or another as I'm only a mid-level associate and this isn't wholly relevant for me yet. However, I've found that doing good work puts you on good matters. Additionally, in my experience, speaking up and contributing / making your presence known on conference calls gets you invited to BD events (do not speak up if you're a first-year with nothing to add/contribute - your role is probably to take detailed notes and it will annoy your seniors if you do this and we will be hesitant to staff you on future matters).

I do think there are a good amount of partners/seniors who are huge fucking creeps and always trying to get "cute/hot" girls on their matters, and many of the women associates I work with (including my wife) have complained about the same to me in private. If you think that is some kind of advantage, I think you're sorely wrong and need to reevaluate some things.

Finally, do I believe there is racism against Asian men / non-whites in general in big law? Of course I do. We all grew up / live in an inherently racist society and are bombarded by racist/stereotyped media representations that subconsciously indoctrinate us as racists.

Do I believe racism is rampant in biglaw or do Asian men experience much more discrimination than other minority groups? Based on my experience, no.

It's interesting, you are told by certain minority groups (your wife/women) about their experiences and based on that, you affirm their claims of discrimination.

You are told by other minority groups (Asian males/this thread) about their experiences and based on that, yet you deny their claims of discrimination.

You sort of overlap with one group, sure, but I'm not sure why some anecdotal testimony is less valuable/informative than another?

I'm not denying anyone's experience. I've caveated several times that in my experience, as another Asian man, I have not seen/experienced discrimination against Asian men.

I'm not really interested in getting into a debate whether Indian men are viewed/treated the same as East Asian men, I'm just offering my experiences on this topic.

You absolutely are denying people's experience. I don't know about discrimination in "biglaw" generally but I can say that as an Indian man I have faced discrimination a number of times (and my other friends who are South Asian / East Asian have similarly faced discrimination as well) I have no doubt that I am less likely to make partner in part due to my race.

Like I said, we live in an inherently racist society. My opinion is that racism in biglaw is no worse than it is in general society. I actually think racism is less pronounced in biglaw than in general society because most lawyers are liberal and aware/trying to make efforts to hone in their racism. Once again, your experience may vary from mine - I'm only offering up my experience for law students who may read this thread and be overly discouraged.

[jotarokujo]

I think there are three different groups of “Asians,” and they each are impacted differently.

1. People who moved here later in life. They generally don’t care about DEI or discrimination from white colleagues. They are mostly very stereotypical Asians.

2. People who moved here at a young age or were born to parents who moved to the US as adults. I think this group suffers the most because they still feel like the other. They experience the true immigrant journey even if they may not even be immigrants. They almost always still have “Asian” names, which for better or worse, can be a disadvantage since it still “others” people. They still feel a strong connection to the mother land (did their summer internships there, considered moving back) because they feel more comfortable in Asian spaces, even if they grew up in white America. A lot are mostly Americanized but still don’t feel like they fit in. I think this is where most Asians in our generation (not Gen Z) fit in. I think this group cares the most about DEI initiatives.

3. Asians whose parents/grandparents moved here early/were born here. You see some in biglaw (not as much because this would mean their parents moved here/were born here pre-1970). Their parents were immigrants/first gen who excelled in school, became Americanized and so they have a completely different upbringing. They feel very comfortable in white spaces, and they can have conversations about vacationing or skiing in XYZ because they had those experiences. A lot of the “successful” non-IP attorneys I’ve encountered in biglaw fall into this group. They obviously still face some discrimination because they look different.

Edit: I know this is a lot of generalizations but I wanted to just paint with a broad brush because I think people are coming at this from different perspectives.

I was a very mediocre student, but I interview very well, so I have been able to land biglaw jobs even though I “look” different since I’m Asian. At the end of the day, people need to feel comfortable with you and want to work with you. The partner I currently work under and I have a very good relationship. We grew up in similar areas, enjoy talking about college football, etc.

small point about 3, i think if their parents were born here those parents would be considered 2nd gen, and therefore the people we're talking about third gen. that is because in order for those parents to be born in the US, the grandmother must have been the first gen. so roughly breaking down your categories:

1. first gen
2. second gen
3. third gen

[caroline123]

They are around but I don't think they get promoted. They're somehow gone by mid-level ish. Also practice area dependent but less Asians in litigation space.

[Anonymous User]

Asians make up a fairly large portion of the T14 but are nowhere to be found in biglaw. Where do they go? Is there discrimination going on?

This is nonsense. Almost all go into biglaw, whether in the US or in some cases their origin countries or other Asian markets if they aren't American citizens. I can't really speak to microagressions or softer discrimination in the work place, but the idea that they are discriminated against in the market is laughable.

[Anonymous User]

Asians make up a fairly large portion of the T14 but are nowhere to be found in biglaw. Where do they go? Is there discrimination going on?

This is nonsense. Almost all go into biglaw, whether in the US or in some cases their origin countries or other Asian markets if they aren't American citizens. I can't really speak to microagressions or softer discrimination in the work place, but the idea that they are discriminated against in the market is laughable.

They are pretty clearly and empirically discriminated against for promotion to partnership. Just look at the Asian breakdown in law schools vs. associates vs. senior associates vs. partners. You'll see a large drop off from associates to partners (like 15% to 2%). That's discrimination.

[Anonymous User]

Asians make up a fairly large portion of the T14 but are nowhere to be found in biglaw. Where do they go? Is there discrimination going on?

This is nonsense. Almost all go into biglaw, whether in the US or in some cases their origin countries or other Asian markets if they aren't American citizens. I can't really speak to microagressions or softer discrimination in the work place, but the idea that they are discriminated against in the market is laughable.

They are pretty clearly and empirically discriminated against for promotion to partnership. Just look at the Asian breakdown in law schools vs. associates vs. senior associates vs. partners. You'll see a large drop off from associates to partners (like 15% to 2%). That's discrimination.

Did the partnership classes start out 15% Asian?

[Anonymous User]

Asians make up a fairly large portion of the T14 but are nowhere to be found in biglaw. Where do they go? Is there discrimination going on?

This is nonsense. Almost all go into biglaw, whether in the US or in some cases their origin countries or other Asian markets if they aren't American citizens. I can't really speak to microagressions or softer discrimination in the work place, but the idea that they are discriminated against in the market is laughable.

They are pretty clearly and empirically discriminated against for promotion to partnership. Just look at the Asian breakdown in law schools vs. associates vs. senior associates vs. partners. You'll see a large drop off from associates to partners (like 15% to 2%). That's discrimination.

Anyone brave enough to offer other explanations?

[Anonymous User]

Asians make up a fairly large portion of the T14 but are nowhere to be found in biglaw. Where do they go? Is there discrimination going on?

This is nonsense. Almost all go into biglaw, whether in the US or in some cases their origin countries or other Asian markets if they aren't American citizens. I can't really speak to microagressions or softer discrimination in the work place, but the idea that they are discriminated against in the market is laughable.

They are pretty clearly and empirically discriminated against for promotion to partnership. Just look at the Asian breakdown in law schools vs. associates vs. senior associates vs. partners. You'll see a large drop off from associates to partners (like 15% to 2%). That's discrimination.

Anyone brave enough to offer other explanations?

Asians see very few role models who look like them in partnerships, so they leave their biglaw firms.

There's a culture of bro-ey fraternizing essential to relationship building that many Asians are excluded from because of real or perceived personality differences.

People assume Asians are less socially adept so Asians are given fewer business development opportunities.

[Anonymous User]

Probably also the fact that Asians in law school / biglaw skew female is a factor? Women tend to bounce out of biglaw faster.

(or, it's discrimination)

[Anonymous User]

Asians make up a fairly large portion of the T14 but are nowhere to be found in biglaw. Where do they go? Is there discrimination going on?

This is nonsense. Almost all go into biglaw, whether in the US or in some cases their origin countries or other Asian markets if they aren't American citizens. I can't really speak to microagressions or softer discrimination in the work place, but the idea that they are discriminated against in the market is laughable.

They are pretty clearly and empirically discriminated against for promotion to partnership. Just look at the Asian breakdown in law schools vs. associates vs. senior associates vs. partners. You'll see a large drop off from associates to partners (like 15% to 2%). That's discrimination.

Anyone brave enough to offer other explanations?

because of real or perceived personality differences.

???

[nixy]

Asians make up a fairly large portion of the T14 but are nowhere to be found in biglaw. Where do they go? Is there discrimination going on?

This is nonsense. Almost all go into biglaw, whether in the US or in some cases their origin countries or other Asian markets if they aren't American citizens. I can't really speak to microagressions or softer discrimination in the work place, but the idea that they are discriminated against in the market is laughable.

They are pretty clearly and empirically discriminated against for promotion to partnership. Just look at the Asian breakdown in law schools vs. associates vs. senior associates vs. partners. You'll see a large drop off from associates to partners (like 15% to 2%). That's discrimination.

Anyone brave enough to offer other explanations?

Asians see very few role models who look like them in partnerships, so they leave their biglaw firms.

There's a culture of bro-ey fraternizing essential to relationship building that many Asians are excluded from because of real or perceived personality differences.

People assume Asians are less socially adept so Asians are given fewer business development opportunities.

You realize these are forms of discrimination, right?

[Anonymous User]

Asians make up a fairly large portion of the T14 but are nowhere to be found in biglaw. Where do they go? Is there discrimination going on?

This is nonsense. Almost all go into biglaw, whether in the US or in some cases their origin countries or other Asian markets if they aren't American citizens. I can't really speak to microagressions or softer discrimination in the work place, but the idea that they are discriminated against in the market is laughable.

They are pretty clearly and empirically discriminated against for promotion to partnership. Just look at the Asian breakdown in law schools vs. associates vs. senior associates vs. partners. You'll see a large drop off from associates to partners (like 15% to 2%). That's discrimination.

Anyone brave enough to offer other explanations?

Asians see very few role models who look like them in partnerships, so they leave their biglaw firms.

There's a culture of bro-ey fraternizing essential to relationship building that many Asians are excluded from because of real or perceived personality differences.

People assume Asians are less socially adept so Asians are given fewer business development opportunities.

You realize these are forms of discrimination, right?

I don't think the absence of role models is discrimination based on the current consensus definition of "discrimination," but the other examples are.

[Anonymous User]

This is like that king of the hill meme "are yall with the cult". Except its:

Are y'all racist?

"No we're not racist we just think Asians have less personality"

yup this is it

[Anonymous User]

Asian partner at a V10. Haven't gone through the full thread so responding to the prompt directly.

1. I remember being a law student/junior associate and being frustrated that we didn't get some of the boosts that other minorities get in terms of hiring and general priority of diversity efforts. No one is out there saying we need more Asians at the associate and partner level. I would be surprised if there were firms where Asian senior associates got some kind of diversity "boost" when it came down to partner promotions. Over time I've come to appreciate that as a net positive in the long run as we don't need to confront some of the consequences of those boosts. But I'm sure people will feel a certain way about that. It is what it is

2. In general I've never felt discrimination as an Asian. Perhaps there's still a general sentiment that Asians are more introverted re things like networking/business development. To me it's something that's a somewhat mild hurdle as far as racial stereotypes go and one that is easily overcome for Asians that are not in fact that way. For those that are, then they need to work on being confident/assertive in their own way. Plenty of non-Asian associates need to wrestle with that too - especially the types of people that go to top law schools.

3. That said, when I mentor Asian associates, if i do notice that they're more timid or reluctant to speak up, then a part of me assumes that culture/upbringing could have something to do with it. I think that's just a factual likelihood if you're raised by Asian immigrant parents. Of course part of this is because I myself am one of those people and was raised to be more deferential to seniors/elders, generally be more modest and steer away from self-promotion, and to not speak up unless i'm sure that I'm right. Those qualities aren't always a negative but obviously we all need to adjust/grow out of tendencies as we develop. When I work with younger Asian lawyers who exhibit that, then it's just another thing on the list of stuff to train/mentor them on. It's not any different than when I mentor a non-Asian who's not a native English speaker or something.

[AAPLTSLADIS]

I didn't read any of this, but came here to say that at least at my firm, there's a subtle hint of discrimination in favor of Asians, so who knows. I suspect similar at other firms.

[LittleRedCorvette]

I didn't read any of this, but came here to say that at least at my firm, there's a subtle hint of discrimination in favor of Asians, so who knows. I suspect similar at other firms.

Can you give us some examples? [real request not being a punk]

[Anonymous User]

Asian partner at a V10. Haven't gone through the full thread so responding to the prompt directly.

1. I remember being a law student/junior associate and being frustrated that we didn't get some of the boosts that other minorities get in terms of hiring and general priority of diversity efforts. No one is out there saying we need more Asians at the associate and partner level. I would be surprised if there were firms where Asian senior associates got some kind of diversity "boost" when it came down to partner promotions. Over time I've come to appreciate that as a net positive in the long run as we don't need to confront some of the consequences of those boosts. But I'm sure people will feel a certain way about that. It is what it is

2. In general I've never felt discrimination as an Asian. Perhaps there's still a general sentiment that Asians are more introverted re things like networking/business development. To me it's something that's a somewhat mild hurdle as far as racial stereotypes go and one that is easily overcome for Asians that are not in fact that way. For those that are, then they need to work on being confident/assertive in their own way. Plenty of non-Asian associates need to wrestle with that too - especially the types of people that go to top law schools.

3. That said, when I mentor Asian associates, if i do notice that they're more timid or reluctant to speak up, then a part of me assumes that culture/upbringing could have something to do with it. I think that's just a factual likelihood if you're raised by Asian immigrant parents. Of course part of this is because I myself am one of those people and was raised to be more deferential to seniors/elders, generally be more modest and steer away from self-promotion, and to not speak up unless i'm sure that I'm right. Those qualities aren't always a negative but obviously we all need to adjust/grow out of tendencies as we develop. When I work with younger Asian lawyers who exhibit that, then it's just another thing on the list of stuff to train/mentor them on. It's not any different than when I mentor a non-Asian who's not a native English speaker or something.

Are you male or female?

[Anonymous User]

I didn't read any of this, but came here to say that at least at my firm, there's a subtle hint of discrimination in favor of Asians, so who knows. I suspect similar at other firms.

You mean, they FAVOR Asians over other ethnicities? And you expect similar things at other firms? If so, are you non-Asian by any chance?

[jotarokujo]

https://thepractice.law.harvard.edu/art ... n-the-law/

i think this is a good starting spot, particularly page 4 if you're interested in biglaw specifically. asians have by far the highest attrition rate and ratio of associates to partners. now this might be partially explained by asians in law being a higher percentage women compared to others (which just means there's discrimination against women), but not entirely. it could also be explained by asians naturally want to exit earlier, but that is undercut by asians actually being underrepresented in government jobs

[Anonymous User]

https://www.rollonfriday.com/news-conte ... -challenge

I have no opinion on the substance of the thread but thought this story to be relevant. A quote from the piece below:

The lawyer, whom RollOnFriday is not identifying, confronted an associate of Asian heritage at a Simpson Thacher work social event and called him 'General Chan', said sources*, before ripping off his own shirt and challenging the solicitor to a fight.

[Anonymous User]

https://www.rollonfriday.com/news-conte ... -challenge

I have no opinion on the substance of the thread but thought this story to be relevant. A quote from the piece below:

The lawyer, whom RollOnFriday is not identifying, confronted an associate of Asian heritage at a Simpson Thacher work social event and called him 'General Chan', said sources*, before ripping off his own shirt and challenging the solicitor to a fight.

Not US, therefore irrelevant to discussion. US race hang-ups are very different from other countries.