Michigan 2014 OCI Thread!!!!!!! Forum

[megagnarley]

In sum: JLR sucks.

/conversation.

About OCI though...

Didn't mean to be anon. That was me^.

[Anonymous User]

Which gets me to my second point. I do think secondary journals can be of value. For one, they can be tied to a specific interest to help tell a story at OCI. If you're 100% set on transactional, for example, and you don't get MLR, you should probably do MJPVL and it might help you pitch transactional in interviews. Might.

If you are 100% set on transactional work (and there are very few cases where being 100% set on something is a good idea for OCI), and you need the fact that you're on a transactional journal to help you pitch your interest, then you have bigger things to worry about.

[Anonymous User]

Why the fuck does everyone care which secondary they are on? If you're not on law review, literally nobody anywhere gives a shit if you're on law reform or of i you're on gender and law. The work you do is going to be exactly the same your first year substantively and the amount of that awful work increases if you're on Law Reform and decreases if you're on Race and Law. Choose a journal based on the amount of work you have to do, not the type of journal, unless its law review, because literally nobody cares if you're not on law review.

I will agree partly and disagree partly.

I'm a rising 3L on two journals. It makes no sense to me why anyone would do Law reform. It has almost as much work as law review without any of the resume bump. People who say "oh it's the second most prestigious journal" are idiots. If you're not on law review, either pick a journal based on least amount of work or focused interest.

Which gets me to my second point. I do think secondary journals can be of value. For one, they can be tied to a specific interest to help tell a story at OCI. If you're 100% set on transactional, for example, and you don't get MLR, you should probably do MJPVL and it might help you pitch transactional in interviews. Might.

LOL at you being on two journals

+1

[welcometoscotland]

In sum: JLR sucks.

/conversation.

About OCI though...

Didn't mean to be anon. That was me^.

But I don't know how to bid without anonymous people approving my journal choice first.

In all seriousness, does anybody think we should push OCP to publish a "Last Failed Bid" list for not this year but next year's benefit? Some other schools have begun doing so, and that would be extremely helpful.

[Anonymous User]

Speaking of journals, do you guys know how selective the non-MJLR secondaries will be this year? I'm really concerned I won't get on one. I did Gender, Race, and Private Equity, but all very poorly I fear. My citations were fine I think, but I'm worried about my essays. I had to write them in like 15 minutes each. Is there any chance I won't get on any of them?

+1

Collectively, I don't think the journals have the luxury of being selective. There are 8 journals. MLR and JLR take appx. 50 students. Each. I think MJIL and Private Equity each have around 40 AEs. Race is around 30, Gender 25? Environmental and MTTLR I'm not sure; maybe around 20 each? That's somewhere around 270 2Ls needed to fill the journals with a class of 315. Presuming that a number of people choose not to do journals, it's very possible that the journals will be understaffed this year. So I think it's pretty unlikely that if you want to be on a journal you won't be able to make that work. You might have to talk yourself off a waitlist if your applications were really sloppy, but I wouldn't worry that much about it.

Great, thank you for the response!

[usaworldcupchamps]

Hey people. Guess who?

Looks like this is going to be an awesome resource this summer. Already some great info.

Figured I'd add something to the mix. I took screenshots of the 2007-2012 GPA guidelines list before OCP replaced it with the current one. It wasn't too helpful for the firms I looked at, but it may be useful to you. Message/email me if you want it.

Go America. Portugal stinks.

[arivtal]

Hi everyone,

Incoming 1L here; I'll be starting in the Fall.

Is there anything 1Ls should do from the get-go that will help with OCI? Looking back, what are you glad you did / what do you wish you would have done?

Best of luck, and thank you!

Look forward to seeing you around campus.

[Anonymous User]

Hi everyone,

Incoming 1L here; I'll be starting in the Fall.

Is there anything 1Ls should do from the get-go that will help with OCI? Looking back, what are you glad you did / what do you wish you would have done?

Best of luck, and thank you!

Look forward to seeing you around campus.

Don't worry about it. Grades matter, but nothing you do in the first two months, aside from doing the reading and generally being engaged, is going to affect exam performance much. Michigan is a great place to go to law school. Just chill out and have some fun until the end of November.

[arivtal]

Sounds great, thanks!

[Anonymous User]

Sounds great, thanks!

If you're just chilling this summer, reading Getting to Maybe might be a reasonable choice, but the bottom line is that you shouldn't worry about OCI, if ever, until approximately June 1, 2015.

[mvp99]

Anyone here met with the NY market consultant? PM me please

[megagnarley]

Hey people. Guess who?

Looks like this is going to be an awesome resource this summer. Already some great info.

Figured I'd add something to the mix. I took screenshots of the 2007-2012 GPA guidelines list before OCP replaced it with the current one. It wasn't too helpful for the firms I looked at, but it may be useful to you. Message/email me if you want it.

Go America. Portugal stinks.

Please tell me this is Gish.

[Anonymous User]

Certainly assumed that was Gish

[Anonymous User]

I don't even know Gish that well, and I assumed it was Gish

[Anonymous User]

wtf US v Portugal.. aaah I feel like not getting a job at OCI

[Anonymous User]

Looking at page 19 of the OCI guide, and I'm still confused about bidding firms with "no multiple interviews" for multiple offices. It says on page 20 that "Because multiple bids for these firms will only result in one interview, only your first bid will count against your bidding quota." But does that mean that Symplicity can take more than 30 bids? Does that mean if I have 15 firms where I only want one office, and 15 firms [with "no multiple interviews"] where I want to bid 2 offices, I can place 45 bids on Symplicity and they will all count?

If that's the case, is there anything stopping anyone from bidding lots of offices for every firm? I know it says that the firm sees which office you bid on, but there are so many firms with multiple offices in California - can someone just bid, say, every office in CA, and NYC for the hell of it, tell the interviewer they either want to return to CA or move to NYC, and still just have that count as one bid? That seems insane but that's how I'm reading the guide.

[Druid]

wtf US v Portugal.. aaah I feel like not getting a job at OCI

You have to be a special level of drunk to post this in the Michigan OCI thread anonymously. Props.

[Druid]

Looking at page 19 of the OCI guide, and I'm still confused about bidding firms with "no multiple interviews" for multiple offices. It says on page 20 that "Because multiple bids for these firms will only result in one interview, only your first bid will count against your bidding quota." But does that mean that Symplicity can take more than 30 bids? Does that mean if I have 15 firms where I only want one office, and 15 firms [with "no multiple interviews"] where I want to bid 2 offices, I can place 45 bids on Symplicity and they will all count?

If that's the case, is there anything stopping anyone from bidding lots of offices for every firm? I know it says that the firm sees which office you bid on, but there are so many firms with multiple offices in California - can someone just bid, say, every office in CA, and NYC for the hell of it, tell the interviewer they either want to return to CA or move to NYC, and still just have that count as one bid? That seems insane but that's how I'm reading the guide.

I'm a little rusty so grain of salt, but if you bid multiple offices for "no multiple interviews" firms then, yes, you can put all their offices in. But once the system slots you for an interview (the highest office you bid on usually, unless everyone else already filled interview slots, at which point it would kick you down to the next office, and repeat process until you get a slot) the system will ignore the lower-bid offices and treat them as if they weren't there.

[Anonymous User]

Looking at page 19 of the OCI guide, and I'm still confused about bidding firms with "no multiple interviews" for multiple offices. It says on page 20 that "Because multiple bids for these firms will only result in one interview, only your first bid will count against your bidding quota." But does that mean that Symplicity can take more than 30 bids? Does that mean if I have 15 firms where I only want one office, and 15 firms [with "no multiple interviews"] where I want to bid 2 offices, I can place 45 bids on Symplicity and they will all count?

If that's the case, is there anything stopping anyone from bidding lots of offices for every firm? I know it says that the firm sees which office you bid on, but there are so many firms with multiple offices in California - can someone just bid, say, every office in CA, and NYC for the hell of it, tell the interviewer they either want to return to CA or move to NYC, and still just have that count as one bid? That seems insane but that's how I'm reading the guide.

I'm a little rusty so grain of salt, but if you bid multiple offices for "no multiple interviews" firms then, yes, you can put all their offices in. But once the system slots you for an interview (the highest office you bid on usually, unless everyone else already filled interview slots, at which point it would kick you down to the next office, and repeat process until you get a slot) the system will ignore the lower-bid offices and treat them as if they weren't there.

So, aside from the fact that firms would see what you're doing and obviously ding you for it, there's technically nothing in the Symplicity system stopping someone from making 100+ total bids on 30 total firms? Interesting.

EDIT: And does this mean if you DON'T get your first bid on a firm's office, then the second one DOES count? So if I bid 29 firms with 1 office and 1 firm with 2 offices [with the 2nd office being #30], and I don't get the first office, then I wouldn't get the second one either?

[Anonymous User]

Looking at page 19 of the OCI guide, and I'm still confused about bidding firms with "no multiple interviews" for multiple offices. It says on page 20 that "Because multiple bids for these firms will only result in one interview, only your first bid will count against your bidding quota." But does that mean that Symplicity can take more than 30 bids? Does that mean if I have 15 firms where I only want one office, and 15 firms [with "no multiple interviews"] where I want to bid 2 offices, I can place 45 bids on Symplicity and they will all count?

If that's the case, is there anything stopping anyone from bidding lots of offices for every firm? I know it says that the firm sees which office you bid on, but there are so many firms with multiple offices in California - can someone just bid, say, every office in CA, and NYC for the hell of it, tell the interviewer they either want to return to CA or move to NYC, and still just have that count as one bid? That seems insane but that's how I'm reading the guide.

I'm a little rusty so grain of salt, but if you bid multiple offices for "no multiple interviews" firms then, yes, you can put all their offices in. But once the system slots you for an interview (the highest office you bid on usually, unless everyone else already filled interview slots, at which point it would kick you down to the next office, and repeat process until you get a slot) the system will ignore the lower-bid offices and treat them as if they weren't there.

So, aside from the fact that firms would see what you're doing and obviously ding you for it, there's technically nothing in the Symplicity system stopping someone from making 100+ total bids on 30 total firms? Interesting.

EDIT: And does this mean if you DON'T get your first bid on a firm's office, then the second one DOES count? So if I bid 29 firms with 1 office and 1 firm with 2 offices [with the 2nd office being #30], and I don't get the first office, then I wouldn't get the second one either?

No you would get the second one (assuming it was available at 30). If you had a third office at 31, then you wouldn't get the third office. Basically it doesn't help or hurt you to bid multiple offices in different places. You're only getting 1 interview out of that series of bids.

[Druid]

Whoops, forgot to reply. Anonymous above me is correct.

[Anonymous User]

trying to predict ya'll bidding behavior is hard. PM me your lists with GPA

[NYSprague]

Just FYI no one can PM you as anonymous user.

[Anonymous User]

don't worry wasn't serious..

[NYSprague]

Lol. I have no time to pay proper attention to this distraction. Skimming is killing me.I'm out for a while.