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Re: Cornell AJF 2014 + Boston / DC Job Fairs, OCI & Mass Mailing

Post by Arbiter213 » Thu Jul 03, 2014 10:16 am

Anonymous User wrote:The person who posted the last bid list here. Thanks for the feedback. Even asking questions is helpful. I'll definitely move Orrick and Dechert up and reconsider MoFo. I will say that the reason that I omitted Epstein Becker is because I was under the impression that they were looking only for students interested in labor/employment and health care law per what they listed in symplicity, but after perusing their website again, I guess that's not the case?
Protip: Until you have a job, you're SUPER interested in every area of law.

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Re: Cornell AJF 2014 + Boston / DC Job Fairs, OCI & Mass Mailing

Post by Anonymous User » Sun Jul 06, 2014 12:57 pm

Hi, I'm sitting at 3.53, where most people are. It haunts me that everyone in my boat might bid the same firms with me and I'll get nothing by the end of the day. Not terribly good at interview and have 3yr WE. Any advice is appreciated!

Day 1

1 Sidley Austin (20) 3.56
2 Proskauer (20) 3.56
3 Paul Hastings (40) 3.60
5 Latham (38) 3.66;
4 Winston (40) 3.39
6 Willkie Farr (40) 48 3.48
7 Schulte (40) 3.43
8 Fried Frank (40) 34 3.56
9 Bryan Cave 20 3.30
10 Stroock & Stroock (20) 3.35
11 Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher (20)
12 O'Melveny & Myers LLP (20)
13 Morgan, Lewis & Bockius (20) 3.38
14 Ropes & Gray LLP (20) 3.63
15 Richards, Layton & Finger, P.A. (2 0)
16 Seward & Kissel LLP (2 0) 3.29
17 Cahill Gordon & Reindel LLP 60 3.46

Day 2
1 Akin Gump (20) 3.52
2 hogan lovells (40) 3.46
3 Shearman & Sterling (60) 3.47
5 White & Case LLP (40) 3.50
6 Cadwalader 80 (80) 3.46
7 Clifford Chance (80) 3.52
8 Goodwin Proctor (20) 3.39
9 Chadbourn (20) 3.58
10 Paul, Weiss, (40) 3.65
10 Freshfields (40) 3.69
11 Dechert (80)
12 Reed Smith (20)
13 Hughes Hubbard (40) 3.22
14 Jones Day (40) 3.63
15 Foley 20
16 K&L Gates (9) 3.45
17 WilmerHale LLP (40) 3.56
18 Alston & Bird (40) 3.35

Day 3
1 Linklaters (40) 3.51
2 Weil (40) 3.63
3 Orrick (20)
4 blank rome llp (20) 3.25
5 Dentons US LLP (20)
6 Kirkland & Ellis LLP (20) 3.57
7 Allen & Overy (20) 3.65
8 Lamb & Barnosky, LLP (13)
9 Kaye Scholer LLP (20) 3.50
10 Perkins Coie LLP (20)
11 Pepper Hamilton LLP (20)
12 Young, Conaway, Stargatt & Taylor LLP (20)

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Re: Cornell AJF 2014 + Boston / DC Job Fairs, OCI & Mass Mailing

Post by Lavitz » Sun Jul 06, 2014 5:03 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Hi, I'm sitting at 3.53, where most people are. It haunts me that everyone in my boat might bid the same firms with me and I'll get nothing by the end of the day. Not terribly good at interview and have 3yr WE. Any advice is appreciated!

Day 1

1 Sidley Austin (20) 3.56
2 Proskauer (20) 3.56
3 Paul Hastings (40) 3.60
5 Latham (38) 3.66;
4 Winston (40) 3.39
6 Willkie Farr (40) 48 3.48
7 Schulte (40) 3.43
8 Fried Frank (40) 34 3.56
9 Bryan Cave 20 3.30
10 Stroock & Stroock (20) 3.35
11 Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher (20)
12 O'Melveny & Myers LLP (20)
13 Morgan, Lewis & Bockius (20) 3.38
14 Ropes & Gray LLP (20) 3.63
15 Richards, Layton & Finger, P.A. (2 0)
16 Seward & Kissel LLP (2 0) 3.29
17 Cahill Gordon & Reindel LLP 60 3.46

Day 2
1 Akin Gump (20) 3.52
2 Hogan Lovells (40) 3.46
3 Shearman & Sterling (60) 3.47
5 White & Case LLP (40) 3.50
6 Cadwalader 80 (80) 3.46
7 Clifford Chance (80) 3.52
8 Goodwin Proctor (20) 3.39
9 Chadbourn (20) 3.58
10 Paul, Weiss, (40) 3.65
10 Freshfields (40) 3.69
11 Dechert (80)
12 Reed Smith (20)
13 Hughes Hubbard (40) 3.22
14 Jones Day (40) 3.63
15 Foley 20
16 K&L Gates (9) 3.45
17 WilmerHale LLP (40) 3.56
18 Alston & Bird (40) 3.35

Day 3
1 Linklaters (40) 3.51
2 Weil (40) 3.63
3 Orrick (20)
4 Blank Rome LLP (20) 3.25
5 Dentons US LLP (20)
6 Kirkland & Ellis LLP (20) 3.57
7 Allen & Overy (20) 3.65
8 Lamb & Barnosky, LLP (13)
9 Kaye Scholer LLP (20) 3.50
10 Perkins Coie LLP (20)
11 Pepper Hamilton LLP (20)
12 Young, Conaway, Stargatt & Taylor LLP (20)
I'm going to take a crack at this based on the advice I've received and any upperclassmen feel free to correct me.

Day 1
I don't think you would get Fried Frank that low, so you may want to move it up if you want it. I'd put it above Winston since Fried Frank's summer class is almost twice as large. I'd also put Willkie above Winston since their summer class is even larger than Fried Frank's.
You're not getting Cahill at the bottom, but might get it at around 7.
Are all of these NYC? Your gpa is .10 below the lowest Gibson Dunn NYC took last year and you won't get them bidding them that low anyway. If it's another office like LA or DC, they're probably even more competitive.
No interest in MoFo or Kasowitz? I'd at least throw firms like that on the bottom and then mail the firms I don't get asking if they have any openings.

Day 2
White & Case is usually popular. I'd bid them at 2. Shearman will likely be safe at 4, and maybe 5.
You're probably not getting Paul Weiss, Freshfields, or Jones Day that low.
You're definitely not getting WilmerHale that low. I'd move up above Cadwalader, unless you don't really care and you're planning on asking them if they have any openings, which is my plan with White & Case. But try not to move anything else above Cadwalader. That and clifford chance should stay at around 6/7.

Day 3
You'll probably get Linklaters but I'm not sure about everything else. You're definitely not getting Kirkland outside of 1 or 2.
Weil may had to be #1 last year, so Weil at 1 and Linklaters at 2 may increase your odds of getting both. I'm not sure if Linklaters at 2 is safe, because I know it wasn't safe at 3 for the past two years.

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Re: Cornell AJF 2014 + Boston / DC Job Fairs, OCI & Mass Mailing

Post by Anonymous User » Sun Jul 06, 2014 11:43 pm

Lavitz wrote:
Anonymous User wrote: Day 1
I don't think you would get Fried Frank that low, so you may want to move it up if you want it. I'd put it above Winston since Fried Frank's summer class is almost twice as large. I'd also put Willkie above Winston since their summer class is even larger than Fried Frank's.
You're not getting Cahill at the bottom, but might get it at around 7.
Are all of these NYC? Your gpa is .10 below the lowest Gibson Dunn NYC took last year and you won't get them bidding them that low anyway. If it's another office like LA or DC, they're probably even more competitive.
No interest in MoFo or Kasowitz? I'd at least throw firms like that on the bottom and then mail the firms I don't get asking if they have any openings.

Day 2
White & Case is usually popular. I'd bid them at 2. Shearman will likely be safe at 4, and maybe 5.
You're probably not getting Paul Weiss, Freshfields, or Jones Day that low.
You're definitely not getting WilmerHale that low. I'd move up above Cadwalader, unless you don't really care and you're planning on asking them if they have any openings, which is my plan with White & Case. But try not to move anything else above Cadwalader. That and Clifford Chance should stay at around 6/7.

Day 3
You'll probably get Linklaters but I'm not sure about everything else. You're definitely not getting Kirkland outside of 1 or 2.
Weil may had to be #1 last year, so Weil at 1 and Linklaters at 2 may increase your odds of getting both. I'm not sure if Linklaters at 2 is safe, because I know it wasn't safe at 3 for the past two years.
Poster here. Thank you for the input. It looks pretty solid! Yes I threw in those competitive firms just to tell the firms that I did bid for them. For those that I'm seriously bidding, I'll do some fine tuning. Thanks again!

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Re: Cornell AJF 2014 + Boston / DC Job Fairs, OCI & Mass Mailing

Post by Lincoln » Sun Jul 06, 2014 11:47 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Poster here. Thank you for the input. It looks pretty solid! Yes I threw in those competitive firms just to tell the firms that I did bid for them. For those that I'm seriously bidding, I'll do some fine tuning. Thanks again!
I don't really understand your comment, but you should definitely not bid GDC--they're total grades-whores.

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Post by Arkham » Mon Jul 07, 2014 4:19 am

Anonymous User wrote:Hi, I'm sitting at 3.53, where most people are. It haunts me that everyone in my boat might bid the same firms with me and I'll get nothing by the end of the day. Not terribly good at interview and have 3yr WE. Any advice is appreciated!
Yeah, I'm scared of that happening, too (and the fact that your list is similar to what mine will be doesn't help...). One thing I'm doing to try to combat that possibility (and I don't know if this is actually a good idea) is I'm bidding on virtually all of the firms. I figure that way even if I'm not interviewing with the firms I most want I might get some with the less popular ones, which is better than nothing, I guess.

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Re: Cornell AJF 2014 + Boston / DC Job Fairs, OCI & Mass Mailing

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Will LR/JLPP/ILJ decisions come out early this week or late this week? Any chance they come out today?

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Anonymous User wrote:Will LR/JLPP/ILJ decisions come out early this week or late this week? Any chance they come out today?
Probably tomorrow if I had to guess.

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Post by BullShitWithBravado » Tue Jul 08, 2014 1:13 pm

Arbiter213 wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Will LR/JLPP/ILJ decisions come out early this week or late this week? Any chance they come out today?
Probably tomorrow if I had to guess.
Also LR decisions typically come a day or two before JLPP or ILJ, so don't freak out if you don't hear from any of the journals right away.

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BullShitWithBravado wrote:Also LR decisions typically come a day or two before JLPP or ILJ, so don't freak out if you don't hear from any of the journals right away.
Unless you really want LR =P

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BullShitWithBravado wrote:
Arbiter213 wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Will LR/JLPP/ILJ decisions come out early this week or late this week? Any chance they come out today?
Probably tomorrow if I had to guess.
Also LR decisions typically come a day or two before JLPP or ILJ, so don't freak out if you don't hear from any of the journals right away.
They do?

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Post by Lavitz » Tue Jul 08, 2014 2:17 pm

Arbiter213 wrote:
BullShitWithBravado wrote:Also LR decisions typically come a day or two before JLPP or ILJ, so don't freak out if you don't hear from any of the journals right away.
They do?
Lol. You, last year:
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northerrn wrote:journal calls are going out
Just law review today, unless something has changed. Don't freak out if you dont get a call.

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Post by Arbiter213 » Tue Jul 08, 2014 2:28 pm

Lavitz wrote:
Arbiter213 wrote:
BullShitWithBravado wrote:Also LR decisions typically come a day or two before JLPP or ILJ, so don't freak out if you don't hear from any of the journals right away.
They do?
Lol. You, last year:
Arbiter213 wrote:
northerrn wrote:journal calls are going out
Just law review today, unless something has changed. Don't freak out if you dont get a call.

And congrats.
Arbiter213 wrote:
They do?!

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Post by guyonabuffalo » Tue Jul 08, 2014 9:10 pm

Even as my top bid, with only 8 bid spots available, is it likely I will get an interview for Latham London office?

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guyonabuffalo wrote:Even as my top bid, with only 8 bid spots available, is it likely I will get an interview for Latham London office?
You bid it #1? I'd say it's very likely if not guaranteed you will get it.

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Journal decisions come out next week.

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Anonymous User wrote:Will LR/JLPP/ILJ decisions come out early this week or late this week? Any chance they come out today?
Journal decisions come out next week.
:? I'm guessing you're on one of the journals?

They've come out the day after bidding closed for the last 2 years.

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Lavitz wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Will LR/JLPP/ILJ decisions come out early this week or late this week? Any chance they come out today?
Journal decisions come out next week.
:? I'm guessing you're on one of the journals?

They've come out the day after bidding closed for the last 2 years.
Yeah. Things can change but as of this post, the calls won't start til next week.

Also, I don't remember calls going out right after bidding closed. Last year they started on a Monday and I doubt bidding closed on the weekend.

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Anonymous User wrote:Yeah. Things can change but as of this post, the calls won't start til next week.

Also, I don't remember calls going out right after bidding closed. Last year they started on a Monday and I doubt bidding closed on the weekend.
Really? Because the page I linked to above shows that the first TLS report of calls going out occurred on the Wednesday after bidding closed. Of course, I suppose they could have started on Monday and nobody reported them here until Wednesday. But that would mean that they started even before bidding closed.

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Lavitz wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Yeah. Things can change but as of this post, the calls won't start til next week.

Also, I don't remember calls going out right after bidding closed. Last year they started on a Monday and I doubt bidding closed on the weekend.
Really? Because the page I linked to above shows that the first TLS report of calls going out occurred on the Wednesday after bidding closed. Of course, I suppose they could have started on Monday and nobody reported them here until Wednesday. But that would mean that they started even before bidding closed.
Also it would mean that some people got it before bidding closed and could use that a part of their bidding strategy and some people didn't, which seems really unfair.

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Arkham wrote:
Lavitz wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Yeah. Things can change but as of this post, the calls won't start til next week.

Also, I don't remember calls going out right after bidding closed. Last year they started on a Monday and I doubt bidding closed on the weekend.
Really? Because the page I linked to above shows that the first TLS report of calls going out occurred on the Wednesday after bidding closed. Of course, I suppose they could have started on Monday and nobody reported them here until Wednesday. But that would mean that they started even before bidding closed.
Also it would mean that some people got it before bidding closed and could use that a part of their bidding strategy and some people didn't, which seems really unfair.
The policy is that no one finds out about journal membership until bidding closes. Even if that wasn't the case, firms care more about grades. It would be a mistake for anyone to bid based on journal membership instead of their GPA.

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BullShitWithBravado wrote:
Arkham wrote:
Lavitz wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Yeah. Things can change but as of this post, the calls won't start til next week.

Also, I don't remember calls going out right after bidding closed. Last year they started on a Monday and I doubt bidding closed on the weekend.
Really? Because the page I linked to above shows that the first TLS report of calls going out occurred on the Wednesday after bidding closed. Of course, I suppose they could have started on Monday and nobody reported them here until Wednesday. But that would mean that they started even before bidding closed.
Also it would mean that some people got it before bidding closed and could use that a part of their bidding strategy and some people didn't, which seems really unfair.
The policy is that no one finds out about journal membership until bidding closes. Even if that wasn't the case, firms care more about grades. It would be a mistake for anyone to bid based on journal membership instead of their GPA.
Huh? It's not like you would be deciding between basing your bids on journal membership or GPA, you would have both and use both. I would have been a little more aggressive (not much more, but enough to move some of the more selective firms up a bit) with my bids if I knew I was on LR, for example.

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Got a call from a random OH number around 9am and got super nervous that it was a LR call. Didn't even leave a message. What a terrible telemarketer.

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BullShitWithBravado wrote: The policy is that no one finds out about journal membership until bidding closes. Even if that wasn't the case, firms care more about grades. It would be a mistake for anyone to bid based on journal membership instead of their GPA.
No idea where you got that- Law Review doesn't have any policy to that effect, it's just how it's always been, as far as I know.

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