UChicago OCI 2013 Forum

[Anonymous User]

C/O 2013 transfer here, still happy to give OCI advice to (comparatively) cheerful, socially well-adjusted C/O 2015 transfers.

Same—also C/O 2013 transfer.

Let's try to take as many jobs from the nontransfers as possible!

[RodneyRuxin]

Let's try to take as many jobs from the nontransfers as possible!

[soj]

Maintaining our social grace stereotypes splendidly.

Sounded like a valid question. Response?

+1

Did you really think I wouldn't recognize your alt, SHIA? Fuck off.

kalano has been permabanned, and SHIA has been banned for three days for alting. Next time it's perma for all your accounts and IPs.

Hey Fate/SHIA/kalano, next time I ban your alts, don't log into your original account and ask me to help you edit out your "friend"'s posts.

[soj]

Not sure what your deal is dude but you need to remove the comment you JUST posted in the uchciago thread about fate/shia/kalano and stop trying to out people to their schools...

This post OUTS people that others in the thread or school would know and is completely unnecessary. If you're going to ban people then ban them don't out who people are on tls to their entire school because someone made an "alt" account which MOST of TLS does. This should be removed. Completely unnecessary.

Alting is against the forum rules. I'm not sure what you know about TLS user statistics that I don't, but most TLSers do not alt. Even if they did, I'm not going to let a user mislead other users by posting under different usernames while pretending to be different people and +1ing his own posts.

Announcing alts to alert users of sockpuppeting is standard procedure. While users are responsible for their own posts, SHIA was given a brief opportunity to edit out his posts. This was more generosity than he deserved, and users who alt in the future should not expect to receive the same opportunity.

For future reference: if your posts reveal too much of your own identity, edit. Do not create an unauthorized alt and then, upon being discovered and banned, whine about being outed.

[Emma.]

Whatthefuckisthisshitshow?

How are you guys going to survive OCI if you are already losing your shit to this extent?

[HoratioHornblower]

Whatthefuckisthisshitshow?

How are you guys going to survive OCI if you are already losing your shit to this extent?

Welcome to the class of 2015. We are defined by angst and insanity.

[RodneyRuxin]

[Xifeng]

Whatthefuckisthisshitshow?

How are you guys going to survive OCI if you are already losing your shit to this extent?

Shit is gonna go down in Booth.

[Anonymous User]

slightly more than a point below median. no journal. k-jd. non-urm. any firms in the v-20 in nyc worth bidding? where should they go on my bidlist?

[Anonymous User]

slightly more than a point below median. no journal. k-jd. non-urm. any firms in the v-20 in nyc worth bidding? where should they go on my bidlist?

In your class, but I know quite a bit about firms/bidding/cutoffs.

If you're around 175.8 I would be safer with your bidding. You can throw in a couple of the big firms that has occasionally dropped that low, but with KJD no journal non-urm you need to be an amazing interviewer to have them dip that far below the cutoff, and you want to snag as many non-selective interviews as possible to be sure you get a job.

That being said, you could reach for some satellite offices as they tend to be less selective and could get you into the v20, but I'd caution you against relying solely the vault rankings--just because a firm is ranked higher doesn't mean it's better or has better exit options (especially if you're applying to a satellite office). I would instead look at chambers bands for your practice areas of interest and find some non-selective firms that are strong in that area--this will get you better work, and better exit options from that practice area, and a better shot at a solid starting point for a career.

[Anonymous User]

slightly more than a point below median. no journal. k-jd. non-urm. any firms in the v-20 in nyc worth bidding? where should they go on my bidlist?

In your class, but I know quite a bit about firms/bidding/cutoffs.

If you're around 175.8 I would be safer with your bidding. You can throw in a couple of the big firms that has occasionally dropped that low, but with KJD no journal non-urm you need to be an amazing interviewer to have them dip that far below the cutoff, and you want to snag as many non-selective interviews as possible to be sure you get a job.

That being said, you could reach for some satellite offices as they tend to be less selective and could get you into the v20, but I'd caution you against relying solely the vault rankings--just because a firm is ranked higher doesn't mean it's better or has better exit options (especially if you're applying to a satellite office). I would instead look at chambers bands for your practice areas of interest and find some non-selective firms that are strong in that area--this will get you better work, and better exit options from that practice area, and a better shot at a solid starting point for a career.

Yeah this. Non-native NYC-v20s are probably your best bet if that's what you're looking for. Paul Weiss is probably a good bid given their class size.

Also, make sure and mass mail Willkie, Cahill, and Chadbourne if they weren't on your radar.

[Anonymous User]

176.6 k-jd no journal. Want to stay in Chicago. I've put the major firms (Kirkland, Sidley, Jones Day, Jenner, Latham, Skadden, Mayer) in the 30s in order to make room for firms I have a better shot with and I doubt I'd get any of them in the lottery.

Even though I know it's a long shot, I am interested in Sidley, Mayer, Jones and Jenner. Does it make sense to try to get them in the lottery or would it be a waste of a slot? I can always try to sign up the day of, would that be a smarter move?

[Anonymous User]

176.6 k-jd no journal. Want to stay in Chicago. I've put the major firms (Kirkland, Sidley, Jones Day, Jenner, Latham, Skadden, Mayer) in the 30s in order to make room for firms I have a better shot with and I doubt I'd get any of them in the lottery.

Even though I know it's a long shot, I am interested in Sidley, Mayer, Jones and Jenner. Does it make sense to try to get them in the lottery or would it be a waste of a slot? I can always try to sign up the day of, would that be a smarter move?

It's unlikely you'll get any of these through the lottery. Given grades, you have a decent shot at some of them (less so with Sidley, Kirkland), but if you'er not wanting to waste high bids on them (as they would require) I would try to sign up the day of and not waste bids in the 30s (unlikely this bid will matter anyway, but you might as well use it on a firm you have a chance of snagging an interview with).

[Xifeng]

Be very careful bidding straight Chicago at/below median. You need to start mass mailing NOW and ideally also look at another market. I highly recommend considering NYC considering the structure of the Chicago market.

Plan for the worst case scenario because post-OCI it's much harder to hustle than it is now.

[Emma.]

slightly more than a point below median. no journal. k-jd. non-urm. any firms in the v-20 in nyc worth bidding? where should they go on my bidlist?

Not to sound harsh, but you should NOT be worried about Vault rankings at this point. You should be worried about finding any job. You should be mass mailing NOW, and you should certainly focus the vast majority of your bids on firms that are known to not be grade selective, which pretty much rules out all the V20.

[Anonymous User]

179, no journal, one year of WE. Are there any firms that would be wasted bids? The callback report tells me that I should avoid Boies DC, Simpson Thatcher DC, and Wachtell, but I assume that there are others given that I have no journal.

[Xifeng]

slightly more than a point below median. no journal. k-jd. non-urm. any firms in the v-20 in nyc worth bidding? where should they go on my bidlist?

Not to sound harsh, but you should NOT be worried about Vault rankings at this point. You should be worried about finding any job. You should be mass mailing NOW, and you should certainly focus the vast majority of your bids on firms that are known to not be grade selective, which pretty much rules out all the V20.

+1 to all of this. You guys, especially below median, need to be EXTREMELY careful in bidding. And you need to mass mail NOW and hustle NOW.

And for god's sake if you're below median do not bid straight Chicago.

[Emma.]

179, no journal, one year of WE. Are there any firms that would be wasted bids? The callback report tells me that I should avoid Boies DC, Simpson Thatcher DC, and Wachtell, but I assume that there are others given that I have no journal.

MTO, Irell, KVN (not that it sounds like you want CA). W&C. Probably the Boies NY office too.

[Anonymous User]

How is this for a top 20, simply for the purposes of maximizing screeners? Anything jump out as too high or too low?

1. Jenner & Block, Chicago, 63 interview slots
2. Mayer Brown, Chicago, 63
3. Sidley, Chicago, 84
4. Kirkland & Ellis, Chicago, 84
5. Skadden, Chicago, 84
6. Katten Muchin, 42
7. Dentons, Chicago, 21
8 Chapman & Cutler, Chicago, 21
9. Vinson & Elkins, Houston, 21
10. Baker Botts, Houston 21
11. Schiff Hardin, Chicago, 21
12. Paul Weiss, NYC, 42
13. Debevoise, NYC, 63
14. Gibson Dunn, NYC, 42
15. Locke Lord, Houston, 21
16. Milbank Tweed, NYC 21
17. Allen & Overy, NYC 21
18 Ropes & Gray, NYC, 42
19. Shearman, NYC, 21
20. Stroock & Stroock, NYC, 21

[Mad Hatter]

When bidding, should we be putting any significance on "interview date"?

[Anonymous User]

179, no journal, one year of WE. Are there any firms that would be wasted bids? The callback report tells me that I should avoid Boies DC, Simpson Thatcher DC, and Wachtell, but I assume that there are others given that I have no journal.

MTO, Irell, KVN (not that it sounds like you want CA). W&C. Probably the Boies NY office too.

Boies will dip. NY Corporate and DC offered T2 transfers without journals last year.

[Anonymous User]

176.6 k-jd no journal. Want to stay in Chicago. I've put the major firms (Kirkland, Sidley, Jones Day, Jenner, Latham, Skadden, Mayer) in the 30s in order to make room for firms I have a better shot with and I doubt I'd get any of them in the lottery.

Even though I know it's a long shot, I am interested in Sidley, Mayer, Jones and Jenner. Does it make sense to try to get them in the lottery or would it be a waste of a slot? I can always try to sign up the day of, would that be a smarter move?

Jones might be out of the question, since i heard they put up that note about "177+ highly preferred" but other than that, I think it's worth a shot applying for the other firms. Good luck!

[Anonymous User]

How is this for a top 20, simply for the purposes of maximizing screeners? Anything jump out as too high or too low?

1. Jenner & Block, Chicago, 63 interview slots
2. Mayer Brown, Chicago, 63
3. Sidley, Chicago, 84
4. Kirkland & Ellis, Chicago, 84
5. Skadden, Chicago, 84
6. Katten Muchin, 42
7. Dentons, Chicago, 21
8 Chapman & Cutler, Chicago, 21
9. Vinson & Elkins, Houston, 21
10. Baker Botts, Houston 21
11. Schiff Hardin, Chicago, 21
12. Paul Weiss, NYC, 42
13. Debevoise, NYC, 63
14. Gibson Dunn, NYC, 42
15. Locke Lord, Houston, 21
16. Milbank Tweed, NYC 21
17. Allen & Overy, NYC 21
18 Ropes & Gray, NYC, 42
19. Shearman, NYC, 21
20. Stroock & Stroock, NYC, 21

Grades? This is pretty all over the place when it comes to selectivity. I understand wanting some safeties/reaches, but I'd suggest limiting the number of them (right now it seems like 1/2 are either reaches or safeties).

[Anonymous User]

Slightly below 178, Chicago ties, 1 yr decent work experience, prefer Chicago/transactional, threw in firms where I have ties to the city and also some safeties. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated
1. Chapman
2. Vedder
3. Sidley
4. Kirkland
5. Mayer Brown
6. McDermott
7. Cadwalader (NYC)
8. Stroock (NYC)
9. Jenner and Block
10. McGuire Woods
11. Skadden
12. Latham
13. Schiff Hardin
14. Jones Day (Hou)
15. Dechert (NYC)
16. Drinker Biddle
17. Foley
18. Baker and Hostetler (Hou)
19. Vinson and Elkins (Hou)
20. K and L Gates
21. Debevoise (NYC)
22. Barack Ferrazzano

[Anonymous User]

180, LR. All firms are DC except at the bottom.
2 questions: Will I get everything in the top 12? Will I get any of the NY firms?
All advice appreciated. Thanks.

BID Firm Slots
1 Jones Day 21 (shared w midwest other than Chi)
2 Gibson Dunn 42 (shared w NY)
3 Ropes & Gray 42 (shared w Chi, NY)
4 Skadden 21
5 WilmerHale 21
6 Cleary 38
7 Kirkland & Ellis 42
8 Sidley Austin 21
9 Arnold & Porter 21
10 Williams & Connolly 38
11 Covington 21
12 Boies Schiller 21
13 BakerHostetler 21
14 Crowell & Moring 21
15 Mayer Brown 21
16 Steptoe & Johnson 21
17 Baker Botts 21
18 Allen & Overy 21
19 Wilson Sonsini 42
20 Latham & Watkins 20
21 OMM 21
22 White & Case 21
23 Cravath (NY) 34
24 Simpson Thacher (NY) 52
25 Weil Gotshal & Manges (NY) 21
26 Davis Polk (NY) 42
27 Sullivan & Cromwell (NY) 42
28 Paul Weiss (NY) 42