Columbia Law School EIP 2013 Forum

[shumpshump]

I guess I might have kept those four higher in the list because they are among the top 5 firms I'd like to work at eventually and I really want to make sure I get them. Looks like I should think more on that though.

I'm with you. Last year people were advised to move Davis Polk down because they gave 200+ interviews and 100% who bid got interviews in 2011 with Davis Polk. Suddenly last year 290 people bid on Davis Polk and a lot of people who really wanted them missed out on them.

If you really want a firm, overbidding isn't an issue. However, if you really want to maximize the number of interviews, you need to bid them lower. That's where your priority comes into play.

[Anonymous User]

DPW safe in one's top ten?

[Anonymous User]

DPW safe in one's top ten?

lol, it'll be safe below that. people got it at 20 last year.

[Anonymous User]

3.7, 2 years unimpressive work experience, probably a below-average to average interviewer. Leaning corporate. This is my first try, so it probably needs some work.

1. Kirkland
2. Sidley
3. Shearman
4. Skadden
5. Gibson Dunn
6. Jones Day
7. Debevoise
8. Cleary
9. Latham
10. Milbank
11. Cahill
12. SullCrom
13. Schulte
14. WilmerHale
15. Wilkie
16. Akin Gump
17. KL Gates
18. Paul Weiss
19. Davis Polk
20. Simpson TB
21. Cadwalader
22. Chadbourne
23. Convington
24. Cravath
25. Goodwin Proctor
26. O'Melveny
27. Dechert
28. Boeis Corp
29. Hughes Hubbard
30. Baker Botts

- Rufus

[Anonymous User]

DPW safe in one's top ten?

lol, it'll be safe below that. people got it at 20 last year.

Is this something I should have known? Is it verifiable somewhere other than a TLS thread from the past?

[Bronck]

DPW safe in one's top ten?

lol, it'll be safe below that. people got it at 20 last year.

Is this something I should have known? Is it verifiable somewhere other than a TLS thread from the past?

Well if you don't want to trust me then do whatever the hell you want and make stupid bids.

User was outed for anon abuse.

[Anonymous User]

DPW safe in one's top ten?

lol, it'll be safe below that. people got it at 20 last year.

Is this something I should have known? Is it verifiable somewhere other than a TLS thread from the past?

Well if you don't want to trust me then do whatever the hell you want and make stupid bids.

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[shumpshump]

Again, the problem is that people adjust their bids every year to new data. Maybe last year you could get it at 20 but since this year people see that only 76% got interviews last year, everyone will bid it higher and then it's totally plausible that you won't be able to get it at 20 this year.

Maybe you don't need to bid it top 10 but if you really like Davis Polk, I'd be wary of bidding it above 15.

[Anonymous User]

DPW safe in one's top ten?

lol, it'll be safe below that. people got it at 20 last year.

Is this something I should have known? Is it verifiable somewhere other than a TLS thread from the past?

Well if you don't want to trust me then do whatever the hell you want and make stupid bids.

Hey, let's try to remember the motto and



(please don't be an asshole in this thread)

-Ted "Theodore" Logan

[Anonymous User]

Alright. Here's an attempt at ordering. 3.57. Interested in mostly litigation, but not 100% sure. I have a few more than 30 on here because I haven't decided what to cut yet. I put the few I am sure I want in bold. Any feedback about Ordering and/or Reasonableness of the list is appreciated

1 Kirkland & Ellis (NY)
2 Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher, & Flom LLP (NY)
3 Latham & Watkins LLP (LA) / (NY)
4 proskauer rose llp (NY)
5 Shearman & Sterling LLP (NY)
6 Mayer Brown, LLP (NY)
7 hogan lovells US LLP
8 Boies, Schiller & Flexner LLP (NY)
9 Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher LLP (NY)
10 Wilmerhale (NY)
11 Kaye Scholer LLP
12 Davis Polk, and Wardwell (NY)
13 katten muchin rosenman llp
14 Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher, & Flom LLP (LA)
15 Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld LLP (NY)
16 Debevoise & Plimptom
17 Willkie Farr & Gallagher LLP
18 Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison LLP
19 Schulte Roth & Zabel LLP
20 Kasowitz, Benson, Torres & Friedman LLP
21 Sullivan & Cromwell LLP (NY)
22 Cravath, Swaine & Moore LLP
23 Milbank, Tweed, Hadley & McCloy LLP
24 Paul Hastings (LA)
25 Cleary Gottlieb Steen & Hamilton LLP
26 Simpson Thacher & bartlett llp (LA) (NY)
27 Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld LLP (LA)
28 Cahill Gordon & Reindel LLP
29 Crowell & Moring LLP
30 Stroock & Stroock & Lavan LLP
31 Sheppard, Mullin, Richter & Hampton LLP (LA)
32 Kirkland & Ellis (LA)
33 Irell & Manella (Newport)
34 Orrick, Herrington & Sutcliffe (Menlo Park)

-Bob Bobbinson

[Anonymous User]

Alright. Here's an attempt at ordering. 3.57. Interested in mostly litigation, but not 100% sure. I have a few more than 30 on here because I haven't decided what to cut yet. I put the few I am sure I want in bold. Any feedback about Ordering and/or Reasonableness of the list is appreciated

1 Kirkland & Ellis (NY)
2 Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher, & Flom LLP (NY)
3 Latham & Watkins LLP (LA) / (NY)
4 Proskauer Rose LLP (NY)
5 Shearman & Sterling LLP (NY)
6 Mayer Brown, LLP (NY)
7 Hogan Lovells US LLP
8 Boies, Schiller & Flexner LLP (NY)
9 Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher LLP (NY)
10 Wilmerhale (NY)
11 Kaye Scholer LLP
12 Davis Polk, and Wardwell (NY)
13 Katten Muchin Rosenman LLP
14 Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher, & Flom LLP (LA)
15 Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld LLP (NY)
16 Debevoise & Plimptom
17 Willkie Farr & Gallagher LLP
18 Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison LLP
19 Schulte Roth & Zabel LLP
20 Kasowitz, Benson, Torres & Friedman LLP
21 Sullivan & Cromwell LLP (NY)
22 Cravath, Swaine & Moore LLP
23 Milbank, Tweed, Hadley & McCloy LLP
24 Paul Hastings (LA)
25 Cleary Gottlieb Steen & Hamilton LLP
26 Simpson Thacher & Bartlett LLP (LA) (NY)
27 Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld LLP (LA)
28 Cahill Gordon & Reindel LLP
29 Crowell & Moring LLP
30 Stroock & Stroock & Lavan LLP
31 Sheppard, Mullin, Richter & Hampton LLP (LA)
32 Kirkland & Ellis (LA)
33 Irell & Manella (Newport)
34 Orrick, Herrington & Sutcliffe (Menlo Park)

-Bob Bobbinson

I highlighted ones that I think will be difficult to get in those bidding positions, but I really don't have a clue. I think you might be better served by picking one of the most bid competitive firms and axing it (unless you really like them all). It is hard to draw that line between what you want, what you think you can get and what you just aren't sure about.

-Ted "Theodore" Logan

[Anonymous User]

Alright. Here's an attempt at ordering. 3.57. Interested in mostly litigation, but not 100% sure. I have a few more than 30 on here because I haven't decided what to cut yet. I put the few I am sure I want in bold. Any feedback about Ordering and/or Reasonableness of the list is appreciated

1 Kirkland & Ellis (NY)
2 Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher, & Flom LLP (NY)
3 Latham & Watkins LLP (LA) / (NY)
4 Proskauer Rose LLP (NY)
5 Shearman & Sterling LLP (NY)
6 Mayer Brown, LLP (NY)
7 Hogan Lovells US LLP
8 Boies, Schiller & Flexner LLP (NY)
9 Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher LLP (NY)
10 Wilmerhale (NY)
11 Kaye Scholer LLP
12 Davis Polk, and Wardwell (NY)
13 Katten Muchin Rosenman LLP
14 Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher, & Flom LLP (LA)
15 Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld LLP (NY)
16 Debevoise & Plimptom
17 Willkie Farr & Gallagher LLP
18 Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison LLP
19 Schulte Roth & Zabel LLP
20 Kasowitz, Benson, Torres & Friedman LLP
21 Sullivan & Cromwell LLP (NY)
22 Cravath, Swaine & Moore LLP
23 Milbank, Tweed, Hadley & McCloy LLP
24 Paul Hastings (LA)
25 Cleary Gottlieb Steen & Hamilton LLP
26 Simpson Thacher & Bartlett LLP (LA) (NY)
27 Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld LLP (LA)
28 Cahill Gordon & Reindel LLP
29 Crowell & Moring LLP
30 Stroock & Stroock & Lavan LLP
31 Sheppard, Mullin, Richter & Hampton LLP (LA)
32 Kirkland & Ellis (LA)
33 Irell & Manella (Newport)
34 Orrick, Herrington & Sutcliffe (Menlo Park)

-Bob Bobbinson

CLS 3L here - I would swap Skadden NY and Proskauer (I bid Skadden 6 last year and got them). If you want Cleary, I'd move them up - at least ahead of Cravath, since most people got Cravath lower than that. Would also move Debevoise into your top 10 at least if you want them. S&C needs to be moved up a little as well if you want to guarantee that you get it. Last year, Boies Lit had to be 1/2 to get them. If you really want them, move them up to that position, but to be brutally honest with you it's a long shot unless you get CLR.

As a general note, you have a fantastic GPA, so you can feel comfortable moving some of the large class grade-selective NYC firms up and dropping some less grade-selective firms down (or replacing them with less grade-selective firms who are easier to bid on)---with your GPA, it's largely going to come down to interviewing anyway, you're comfortably over the line for grades.

[Anonymous User]

Interested in transactional work in NYC w/ a 3.7+. Good work experience between undergrad and CLS (not TFA, for what its worth). Would be interested in comments from lurking 3Ls / alumni in particular, if any are around.

I know I've overbid some firms (some a lot - Cravath). I'm particularly interested in the bolded firms though and a lot of the V10 have big classes. As a normal person, I'm banking on my grades getting me an offer from one of them minus WLRK. I know we're all risk averse, but am I totally off?

1. Shearman & Sterling
2. Linklaters
3. Weil
4. WilmerHale
5. Skadden
6. S&C
7. DPW
8. STB
9. Cravath
10. Wilkie
11. Cleary
12. Paul, Weiss
13. White and Case
14. Kaye Scholer
15. Debevoise
16. Freshfields
17. Fried Frank
18. Ropes and Gray
19. MoFo
20. Milbank
21. O'Melveny and Myers
22. Wachtell
23. Cahill
24. Orrick
25. Covington and Burling
26. Dechert
27. Boise Schiller (Corp)
28. Goodwin Proctor
29. Chadbourne
30. McKinsey

Also -- not interested in Latham. Besides them, any obvious absences for someone interested in corp?

-M.C. Burns

[Anonymous User]

Interested in transactional work in NYC w/ a 3.7+. Good experience between undergrad and CLS (not TFA, for what its worth). Would be interested in comments from lurking 3Ls / alumni in particular, if any are around.

I know I've overbid some firms (some a lot - Cravath). I'm particularly interested in the bolded firms though and a lot of the V10 have big classes. As a normal person, I'm banking on my grades getting me an offer from one of them minus WLRK. I know we're all risk averse, but am I totally off?

1. Shearman & Sterling
2. Linklaters
3. Weil
4. WilmerHale
5. Skadden
6. S&C
7. DPW
8. STB
9. Cravath
10. Wilkie
11. Cleary
12. Paul, Weiss
13. White and Case
14. Kaye Scholer
15. Debevoise
16. Freshfields
17. Fried Frank
18. Ropes and Gray
19. MoFo
20. Milbank
21. O'Melveny and Myers
22. Wachtell
23. Cahill
24. Orrick
25. Covington and Burling
26. Dechert
27. Boise Schiller (Corp)
28. Goodwin Proctor
29. Chadbourne
30. McKinsey

Also -- not interested in Latham. Besides them, any obvious absences for someone interested in corp?

-M.C. Burns

Obviously not a 3L, so take it with a grain of salt, but I think putting some of more bid-competitive firms (e.g. Debevoise, Freshfields, Fried Frank, MoFo, Milbank) that low will make it unlikely that you'll get a screener with them. You obviously have killer grades, but you might want to play with your ordering a bit more. Would you rather guarantee interviews with the bolded or have more interviews overall? Maybe you'd be better off removing some of the firms you're not VERY interested from the top all together/maybe you should consider if you'd rather have the guaranteed screener at Shearman & Sterling or if you'd rather try to pick up a few from my list above. Just my two cents.

-Ted "Theodore" Logan

[Anonymous User]

Interested in transactional work in NYC w/ a 3.7+. Good work experience between undergrad and CLS (not TFA, for what its worth). Would be interested in comments from lurking 3Ls / alumni in particular, if any are around.

I know I've overbid some firms (some a lot - Cravath). I'm particularly interested in the bolded firms though and a lot of the V10 have big classes. As a normal person, I'm banking on my grades getting me an offer from one of them minus WLRK. I know we're all risk averse, but am I totally off?

1. Shearman & Sterling
2. Linklaters
3. Weil
4. WilmerHale
5. Skadden
6. S&C
7. DPW
8. STB
9. Cravath
10. Wilkie
11. Cleary
12. Paul, Weiss
13. White and Case
14. Kaye Scholer
15. Debevoise
16. Freshfields
17. Fried Frank
18. Ropes and Gray
19. MoFo
20. Milbank
21. O'Melveny and Myers
22. Wachtell
23. Cahill
24. Orrick
25. Covington and Burling
26. Dechert
27. Boise Schiller (Corp)
28. Goodwin Proctor
29. Chadbourne
30. McKinsey

-M.C. Burns

Going to mostly echo what Ted said. There's nothing wrong with bumping firms up a few spots to guarantee the interview, but you may actually be playing it 'too' safe with your bolded firms. I cannot see you getting many more than 15 interviews with this bid list. DPW, for instance, has tons of interview slots, even if the entire C/O 2015 bid them (which they won't - 100, at the very least, will leave DPW off) you'd be safe at 7. Logic dictates that this is something of an overbid, then. Simpson is another example of a firm you can move way down, it just isn't overbid very heavily and it's probably safe anywhere at 20 or lower.

-Tiefighter

[Anonymous User]

3.67, any advice is appreciated. Am I too aggressive? Thanks!

1 Boies
2 Sidley Austin
3 Kirkland
4 Gibson Dunn
5 Skadden
6 Sullivan
7 Covington
8 Debevoise
9 Paul Weiss
10 Davis Polk
11 Cleary Gottlieb
12 Simpson
13 Freshfields
14 Akin Gump
15 Willkie Farr
16 Weil Gotshal
17 Milbank Tweed
18 Kramer Levin
19 Cravath
20 K&L Gates
21 Curtis Mallet
22 clifford chance
23 Baker Botts
24 Cahill
25 Dechert
26 Boies Corporate
27 Steptoe & Johnson
28 Cooley
29 Wachtell
30 Wilson Sonsini

-BBFL

[Anonymous User]

3.67, any advice is appreciated. Am I too aggressive? Thanks!

1 Boies
2 Sidley Austin
3 Kirkland
4 Gibson Dunn
5 Skadden
6 Sullivan
7 Covington
8 Debevoise
9 Paul Weiss
10 Davis Polk
11 Cleary Gottlieb
12 Simpson
13 Freshfields
14 Akin Gump
15 Willkie Farr
16 Weil Gotshal
17 Milbank Tweed
18 Kramer Levin
19 Cravath
20 K&L Gates
21 Curtis Mallet
22 Clifford Chance
23 Baker Botts
24 Cahill
25 Dechert
26 Boies Corporate
27 Steptoe & Johnson
28 Cooley
29 Wachtell
30 Wilson Sonsini

-BBFL

Paul W, Davis, and Simpson can all be moved down I would think.

Any thoughts on my list above? - Rufus

[Anonymous User]

3.7, 2 years unimpressive work experience, probably a below-average to average interviewer. Leaning corporate. This is my first try, so it probably needs some work.

1. Kirkland
2. Sidley
3. Shearman
4. Skadden
5. Gibson Dunn
6. Jones Day
7. Debevoise
8. Cleary
9. Latham
10. Milbank
11. Cahill
12. SullCrom
13. Schulte
14. WilmerHale
15. Wilkie
16. Akin Gump
17. KL Gates
18. Paul Weiss
19. Davis Polk
20. Simpson TB
21. Cadwalader
22. Chadbourne
23. Convington
24. Cravath
25. Goodwin Proctor
26. O'Melveny
27. Dechert
28. Boeis Corp
29. Hughes Hubbard
30. Baker Botts

- Rufus

I think you can move Cleary down a bit and be ok because they have 200 slots. I would move SullCrom up; people like them because of their really good offer:callback ratio. I would try to get it into the top 10. Covington at 23 seems really low to me. 74% interview rate with only 80 slots for interviews. It may be unlikely that you get them there.

-BBFL

[Anonymous User]

3.67, any advice is appreciated. Am I too aggressive? Thanks!

1 Boies
2 Sidley Austin
3 Kirkland
4 Gibson Dunn
5 Skadden
6 Sullivan
7 Covington
8 Debevoise
9 Paul Weiss
10 Davis Polk
11 Cleary Gottlieb
12 Simpson
13 Freshfields
14 Akin Gump
15 Willkie Farr
16 Weil Gotshal
17 Milbank Tweed
18 Kramer Levin
19 Cravath
20 K&L Gates
21 Curtis Mallet
22 Clifford Chance
23 Baker Botts
24 Cahill
25 Dechert
26 Boies Corporate
27 Steptoe & Johnson
28 Cooley
29 Wachtell
30 Wilson Sonsini

-BBFL

Weil is quite low, but I'm sure you're aware of that. (It's hard to know what to do there.) Your grouping from 13-18 is obviously where you're being riskier. You have better grades than I do, so maybe you can afford being gutsy like that, but I pretty much have your 6-12 slots and 13-18 slots flipped.

-Ted "Theodore" Logan

[aceofspades8412]

The last couple lists there had DPW and Simpson a little higher up the list, so maybe a few more people are putting them higher this year. Did a little revision on my list and would welcome any further comments on my rankings. Anybody have any good strategies for putting firms in the bottom ten bids (besides WLRK and perhaps Cravath) and actually getting a screener?

1 Gibson Dunn
2 Skadden
3 Sullivan & Cromwell
4 Latham & Watkins
5 Sidley Austin
6 Ropes and Gray
7 Paul Weiss
8 Debevoise
9 Shearman & Sterling
10 Weil
11 Freshfields
12 Davis Polk
13 Simpson Thacher
14 Morrison & Foerster
15 Fried Frank
16 Willkie
17 Cleary
18 Dechert
19 Cravath
20 Akin Gump
21 Schulte Roth
22 Wachtell
23 Cadwalader
24 Cahill
25 O'Melveny
26 Stroock & Stroock
27 Morgan Lewis
28 Kirkland Ellis
29 Cooley
30 Bracewell & Guiliani

- Ace

[Anonymous User]

3L here

Schulte, Shearman, Cleary look too low to me. I didn't get Cleary at 17 or Shearman at 7 last year and luckily got interviews through the hospitality suite but you can't really rely on that. Schulte is usually pretty overbid as they make a lot of columbia offers. I would put it in top 10 at least if you're interested in them.

Probably could move s&c, paul weiss and freshfields down a bit. Just my two cents.

[Anonymous User]

3.7, 2 years unimpressive work experience, probably a below-average to average interviewer. Leaning corporate. This is my first try, so it probably needs some work.

1. Kirkland
2. Sidley
3. Shearman
4. Skadden
5. Gibson Dunn
6. Jones Day
7. Debevoise
8. Cleary
9. Latham
10. Milbank
11. Cahill
12. SullCrom
13. Schulte
14. WilmerHale
15. Wilkie
16. Akin Gump
17. KL Gates
18. Paul Weiss
19. Davis Polk
20. Simpson TB
21. Cadwalader
22. Chadbourne
23. Convington
24. Cravath
25. Goodwin Proctor
26. O'Melveny
27. Dechert
28. Boeis Corp
29. Hughes Hubbard
30. Baker Botts

- Rufus

Looks like a good list. The only thing I see is that Cahil might not need to be that high - maybe you could swap it with Schulte or Willkie? Otherwise, looks great and with that gpa you should kill it.

- Roger Sterling

[Anonymous User]

The last couple lists there had DPW and Simpson a little higher up the list, so maybe a few more people are putting them higher this year. Did a little revision on my list and would welcome any further comments on my rankings. Anybody have any good strategies for putting firms in the bottom ten bids (besides WLRK and perhaps Cravath) and actually getting a screener?

1 Gibson Dunn
2 Skadden
3 Sullivan & Cromwell
4 Latham & Watkins
5 Sidley Austin
6 Ropes and Gray
7 Paul Weiss
8 Debevoise
9 Shearman & Sterling
10 Weil
11 Freshfields
12 Davis Polk
13 Simpson Thacher
14 Morrison & Foerster
15 Fried Frank
16 Willkie
17 Cleary
18 Dechert
19 Cravath
20 Akin Gump
21 Schulte Roth
22 Wachtell
23 Cadwalader
24 Cahill
25 O'Melveny
26 Stroock & Stroock
27 Morgan Lewis
28 Kirkland Ellis
29 Cooley
30 Bracewell & Guiliani

- Ace

One thing that jumped out to me is Kirkland. Last year I think they gave out screeners to 37% of people who bid on them, and this year they've cut back from 80 slots to 60. Are you just hoping to get a hospitality suite interview with them?

-Jon Snow

[Anonymous User]

Sorry if this is a stupid question, but where do you find out if a firm has changed its number of interview slots from last year?

- Roger Sterling

[Anonymous User]

Sorry if this is a stupid question, but where do you find out if a firm has changed its number of interview slots from last year?

- Roger Sterling

EIP Website, "employers interested in Columbia students" (or "interested employers"), "employer schedules for 2013"