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[Anonymous User]

Re: Foley. This summer is 10 weeks. Friend has offer.

I just checked with someone who was an SA at Foley this summer. The program was definitely shortened to 8 weeks for this summer.

I think we might be disagreeing over terminology; "this summer." The offer my friend has from foley is to be a SA in 2013. That offer explicitly says they expect the program to be 10 weeks. Can't speak to this past summer (2012).

[Anonymous User]

Rumor is they're having financial trouble like several other Dallas firms. They have been known to no-offer lots of people for "fit" in years past but did pretty well this year. They also appear to have reduced the size of their Dallas SA class, however.

I don't think that's correct. Their revenues were up this year (firm wide revenues, that is. You're right, I don't have a financial breakdown for the Dallas office on its own). Yes, like other firms, they had some layoffs during the recession which probably contributed to their overall revenues increasing. As for no-offering lots of people in the past, all I can say is look at NALP. Traditionally many Texas firms (because students split their summers) have had slightly lower offer rates than NE firms. Two years ago they had a fairly small summer class but still gave a higher offer % than say Haynes & Boone. This year Locke Lord's Dallas class was around 13 and every person I've talked to so far has gotten an offer (at least 11).

[Anonymous User]

Re: Foley. This summer is 10 weeks. Friend has offer.

I just checked with someone who was an SA at Foley this summer. The program was definitely shortened to 8 weeks for this summer.

I think we might be disagreeing over terminology; "this summer." The offer my friend has from foley is to be a SA in 2013. That offer explicitly says they expect the program to be 10 weeks. Can't speak to this past summer (2012).

Ah, there was the confusion. Yes, Summer 2012 was 8 weeks long. You may want to let your friend with the Summer 2013 offer know that the Summer 2012 program was also slated to be 10 weeks long but was cut to 8 sometime in the Spring.

[pjo]

Interested in what you heard about Squire Sanders.

I know they didn't show up to my school (MVP) because they claimed they were "filling their class with 1L SAs".

We may be at the same school, but I'm also at MVP and they did the same thing. Also, I remeber a quote on ATL by John Quinn (of Quinn Emmanuel) in which he said of the potential Squire Sanders (I think Greenberg Taurig) merger: "It's like two sinking stones tying themselves together hoping they'll float". I have no interest in Quinn Emmanuel, but John Quinn is probably the most in-tune managing partner at any firm, and I highly value his opinion.

[Old Gregg]

Interested in what you heard about Squire Sanders.

I know they didn't show up to my school (MVP) because they claimed they were "filling their class with 1L SAs".

We may be at the same school, but I'm also at MVP and they did the same thing. Also, I remeber a quote on ATL by John Quinn (of Quinn Emmanuel) in which he said of the potential Squire Sanders (I think Greenberg Taurig) merger: "It's like two sinking stones tying themselves together hoping they'll float". I have no interest in Quinn Emmanuel, but John Quinn is probably the most in-tune managing partner at any firm, and I highly value his opinion.

While he has a point, he's also full of shit 99% of the time and you really shouldn't put that much stock in what he says.

To be frank, I'm glad the Samsung case blew up in his face. His comeuppance was long overdue.

[manofjustice]

Interested in what you heard about Squire Sanders.

I know they didn't show up to my school (MVP) because they claimed they were "filling their class with 1L SAs".

1L SAs? What the fuck does that mean?

[Anonymous User]

Interested in what you heard about Squire Sanders.

I know they didn't show up to my school (MVP) because they claimed they were "filling their class with 1L SAs".

1L SAs? What the fuck does that mean?

In a lot of the southwest, it is pretty common to have 1L SA positions. They're a lot harder to get than 2L SA's, but they do exist. They also make you far more marketable for 2L SA positions, for whatever reason.

[IAFG]

1L SAs? What the fuck does that mean?

Outted as 0L in the employment forum

[Anonymous User]

Anyone know anything about how the big Boston firms are doing? Ropes, Wilmer, Goodwin, Bingham?

FWIW, I had a CB with Goodwin recently and they sounded like they were full steam ahead in terms of expansion with satellite offices and work and I haven't seen anything to the contrary so I'd assume their doing well.

Ropes is Ropes. You'll have to do your own reading on them.

I can't speak to the other two but I certainly haven't seen any bad news about them. As a scrub law student, it seems like the Boston firms run a pretty tight ship. Haven't heard of any that have really put themselves in a dangerous spot.

[Anonymous User]

anyone know whats up with Patton Boggs? they cancelled oci at my school claiming they aren't interviewing for summer 2013 class

[Anonymous User]

anyone know whats up with Patton Boggs? they cancelled oci at my school claiming they aren't interviewing for summer 2013 class

That's weird. they definitely interviewed at UT.

[Anonymous User]

Re: Foley. This summer is 10 weeks. Friend has offer.

I just checked with someone who was an SA at Foley this summer. The program was definitely shortened to 8 weeks for this summer.

I think we might be disagreeing over terminology; "this summer." The offer my friend has from foley is to be a SA in 2013. That offer explicitly says they expect the program to be 10 weeks. Can't speak to this past summer (2012).

Ah, there was the confusion. Yes, Summer 2012 was 8 weeks long. You may want to let your friend with the Summer 2013 offer know that the Summer 2012 program was also slated to be 10 weeks long but was cut to 8 sometime in the Spring.

Good info, TY, will do. Which office was your friend at? And do you have any info on their offer rate this past summer?

[al_state]

anyone know whats up with Patton Boggs? they cancelled oci at my school claiming they aren't interviewing for summer 2013 class

What school and what office(s)?

[Anonymous User]

I think we might be disagreeing over terminology; "this summer." The offer my friend has from foley is to be a SA in 2013. That offer explicitly says they expect the program to be 10 weeks. Can't speak to this past summer (2012).

Ah, there was the confusion. Yes, Summer 2012 was 8 weeks long. You may want to let your friend with the Summer 2013 offer know that the Summer 2012 program was also slated to be 10 weeks long but was cut to 8 sometime in the Spring.

Good info, TY, will do. Which office was your friend at? And do you have any info on their offer rate this past summer?

Chicago and no idea on the offer rate, sorry.

[Anonymous User]

anyone know whats up with Patton Boggs? they cancelled oci at my school claiming they aren't interviewing for summer 2013 class

That's weird. they definitely interviewed at UT.

They only interviewed for Dallas and Denver, FYI.

[Anonymous User]

anyone know whats up with Patton Boggs? they cancelled oci at my school claiming they aren't interviewing for summer 2013 class

That's weird. they definitely interviewed at UT.

They only interviewed for Dallas and Denver, FYI.

Patton Boggs interviewed at my school and I have a callback with them. Any news of them not hiring for 2013 seems to be specific to just your school, unless they're flying me there and putting me in a hotel just for fun.

[Anonymous User]

Anyone know anything about how the big Boston firms are doing? Ropes, Wilmer, Goodwin, Bingham?

FWIW, I had a CB with Goodwin recently and they sounded like they were full steam ahead in terms of expansion with satellite offices and work and I haven't seen anything to the contrary so I'd assume their doing well.

Ropes is Ropes. You'll have to do your own reading on them.

I can't speak to the other two but I certainly haven't seen any bad news about them. As a scrub law student, it seems like the Boston firms run a pretty tight ship. Haven't heard of any that have really put themselves in a dangerous spot.

GP was rough for the past few years, but are really ramping up now and seem to be doing well. Given IP lit craziness, Wilmer has been holding really strong. R+G had voluntary deferrals last SA class, some of which may have been less voluntary than others.

[Anonymous User]

anyone know whats up with Patton Boggs? they cancelled oci at my school claiming they aren't interviewing for summer 2013 class

That's weird. they definitely interviewed at UT.

They only interviewed for Dallas and Denver, FYI.

cancelled my school too- NY not either of those ones...

[09042014]

Look at last years thread. All the treads people warned about are doing fine, and the firms nobody worried about (Dewey, White and Case, Winston) are the ones doing shitty.

[Anonymous User]

Not sure if this has been posted yet, but Paul Hastings ATL no-offered roughly 40% of their summer class.

[Anonymous User]

anyone know whats up with Patton Boggs? they cancelled oci at my school claiming they aren't interviewing for summer 2013 class

That's weird. they definitely interviewed at UT.

They only interviewed for Dallas and Denver, FYI.

cancelled my school too- NY not either of those ones...

Patton Boggs usually only has summer classes in Dallas an DC. Having them in multiple offices this past summer was an anomaly.

[rayiner]

Not sure if this has been posted yet, but Paul Hastings ATL no-offered roughly 40% of their summer class.

Pretty much every firm every year no-offers 40% of their class in ATL. That's just how they do things down there.

[Anonymous User]

Not sure if this has been posted yet, but Paul Hastings ATL no-offered roughly 40% of their summer class.

Pretty much every firm every year no-offers 40% of their class in ATL. That's just how they do things down there.

what were the offer rates for the other big ATL firms?

[Anonymous User]

Re: Foley. This summer is 10 weeks. Friend has offer.

I just checked with someone who was an SA at Foley this summer. The program was definitely shortened to 8 weeks for this summer.

I think we might be disagreeing over terminology; "this summer." The offer my friend has from foley is to be a SA in 2013. That offer explicitly says they expect the program to be 10 weeks. Can't speak to this past summer (2012).

Ah, there was the confusion. Yes, Summer 2012 was 8 weeks long. You may want to let your friend with the Summer 2013 offer know that the Summer 2012 program was also slated to be 10 weeks long but was cut to 8 sometime in the Spring.

I don't think this is accurate. Summer 2012 was always going to be 8 weeks. They never said differently. Summer 2013 will almost certainly be 10 weeks.

[Anonymous User]

R+G had voluntary deferrals last SA class, some of which may have been less voluntary than others.

nahhh they were all voluntary. i am from that class.