UChicago OCI 2012 Forum

[Anonymous User]

PSA: If the firm information says that a journal is required, and you got a screener with them and you're not on a journal, please GTFO. Some of us want those spots. See, e.g., Weil.

You, sir, are a jackass.

[Emma.]

...hospitality suites?

Lulz

[Anonymous User]

3L, so haven't looked at the list. Is the V20 NYC firm that has confirmed stealth layoffs (made known here and elsewhere) doing OCI?

I haven't heard of this. Why not name the firm?

They are only doing DC for our OCI.

Are we talking about the same firm? There is one only doing DC with the same initials, but I thought the stealth layoff firm from the thread by that guy's wife was Walter ___ & Suit ____ ? The firm I'm talking about isn't coming to 3L OCI.

[Anonymous User]

3L, so haven't looked at the list. Is the V20 NYC firm that has confirmed stealth layoffs (made known here and elsewhere) doing OCI?

I haven't heard of this. Why not name the firm?

They are only doing DC for our OCI.

Are we talking about the same firm? There is one only doing DC with the same initials, but I thought the stealth layoff firm from the thread by that guy's wife was Walter ___ & Suit ____ ? The firm I'm talking about isn't coming to 3L OCI.

Anon 3L here. To clarify, I wasn't asking about 3L OCI. I just want rising 2Ls to know that apparently White & Case have indeed been axing juniors recently (and apparently no-offered portions of its summer class). There is a post over on autoadmit (caveat emptor) talking about some other recent layoffs/issues at firms, for those interested.

Edit: Went ahead and edited it in. For some reason, I thought there was a board policy against it and that is why there was the huge issue in that thread a few weeks ago.

[Anonymous User]

HEY EVERYONE. IT'S WHITE & CASE. WHO AREN'T EVEN AT OCI.

[a11 1n]

I'm not sure why people are going through this round about way of revealing the firm name to begin with while using the anon feature.

[Anonymous User]

PSA: If the firm information says that a journal is required, and you got a screener with them and you're not on a journal, please GTFO. Some of us want those spots. See, e.g., Weil.

Two things:

* My sense from last year is that those firms don't actually require a journal. If you had a 180 and didn't do the writing comp, Weil would likely take you in a heartbeat.

* If you're on a journal, you should know that the Maroon Book doesn't use abbreviations. See, for example, Don't Be A Prick on the Internet.

As a 3L, I can confirm that you DO NOT need a journal for many of the firms who say "Journal Required" or "Journal Preferred." Now I am not recommending that someone with a 177 and no WE waste bids on all firms that say that, but I received numerous offers from firms that said Journal Required (At the end of 1L, I was at around a 179 with WE).

(I decided to go ANON after listing my GPA because a few people know who I am on here but I am happy to discuss further).

[Anonymous User]

PSA: If the firm information says that a journal is required, and you got a screener with them and you're not on a journal, please GTFO. Some of us want those spots. See, e.g., Weil.

Weil is the least selective V10 after Latham. I know people at median at MVP with no work experience who got an offer from Weil. No way in hell they require a journal for UChicago students.

[Anonymous User]

PSA: If the firm information says that a journal is required, and you got a screener with them and you're not on a journal, please GTFO. Some of us want those spots. See, e.g., Weil.

Weil is the least selective V10 after Latham. I know people at median at MVP with no work experience who got an offer from Weil. No way in hell they require a journal for UChicago students.

Not on a journal and received a Weil offer at OCI last year.

[JollyGreenGiant]

PSA: If the firm information says that a journal is required, and you got a screener with them and you're not on a journal, please GTFO. Some of us want those spots. See, e.g., Weil.

If you want the interview bad enough, you would get it.

[Anonymous User]

Scrolling through last year's thread, some were talking about physical attractiveness as a big plus for these firms.

Do you think they care more about the face or a "beach body"?

And is there any truth to the murmurings that Cleary and MoFo care way more about your personality, sense of humor, and actually prefer a little meat on the bones?

[Anonymous User]

Got invited via email to a Schiff Hardin dinner. I assume everyone who got a bid interview was invited as well?

Any other pre-screener dinners out there?

[Anonymous User]

Got invited via email to a Schiff Hardin dinner. I assume everyone who got a bid interview was invited as well?

Any other pre-screener dinners out there?

I got an interview and dinner invite so I assume so.

[Anonymous User]

Got invited via email to a Schiff Hardin dinner. I assume everyone who got a bid interview was invited as well?

Any other pre-screener dinners out there?

I got an interview and dinner invite so I assume so.

I have an interview with Schiff as well, but I don't think I got invited to a dinner I got invited to an informal reception in HP on Monday, though; is that what you're talking about?

[a11 1n]

I wonder if any more firms are doing pre-screener dinners. I have not heard of this before.

[Anonymous User]

Do any Kansas City firms come to OCI at Chicago?

[Haymarket]

Do any Kansas City firms come to OCI at Chicago?

This tells me you are not a Chicago student. GTFO and go ask it in a taking questions thread.

[Anonymous User]

Got invited via email to a Schiff Hardin dinner. I assume everyone who got a bid interview was invited as well?

Any other pre-screener dinners out there?

I got an interview and dinner invite so I assume so.

I have an interview with Schiff as well, but I don't think I got invited to a dinner I got invited to an informal reception in HP on Monday, though; is that what you're talking about?

Sorry "dinner" was a little misleading I suppose. Yes I was referring to the reception on Monday night.

[Anonymous User]

There is also a reception for Kirkland & Ellis Scholars at Kirkland on Monday night.

[Anonymous User]

Got invited via email to a Schiff Hardin dinner. I assume everyone who got a bid interview was invited as well?

Any other pre-screener dinners out there?

I got an interview and dinner invite so I assume so.

I have an interview with Schiff as well, but I don't think I got invited to a dinner I got invited to an informal reception in HP on Monday, though; is that what you're talking about?

Sorry "dinner" was a little misleading I suppose. Yes I was referring to the reception on Monday night.

Also got the invite (and am interviewing with them). Debating on whether to RSVP. Is it worth going to/ would it be bad if I didn't go?

I'd much rather have dinner with friends I haven't seen since June than go to this.

[Anonymous User]

Also got the invite (and am interviewing with them). Debating on whether to RSVP. Is it worth going to/ would it be bad if I didn't go?

I'd much rather have dinner with friends I haven't seen since June than go to this.

I emailed back and let the person known I will not be attending because I am going to be out of town. Just say you have a prior commitment and leave it at that. I cannot imagine it will count against you in any substantial way.

[Anonymous User]

Anyone care to critique this bidlist? Around 179, so top 1/3? Have WE, ties to SF/cali. No ties to NY. Available interview slots are listed.

Few comments for the whole thread, quoted this one because it was convenient.

1. Underestimating rank seems to be a common thread (UChi = bitter pessimists? who knows). 179 is worst case top 20% and might be closer to top 15% depending on our year. Everyone who's not sure about their rank should learn what a standard deviation is and figure it out instead of wildly guessing. I can PM my estimates if anyone cares.

2. Bidding on a firm whose lowest callback in the last 3 years is well above your average is a wasted bid (and it screws over your classmates). If you haven't read the sheet with callback info on chalk, go read it.

I would caution people on here about OVERESTIMATING class rank. 179 is NOT worst case top 20%. 30% of the class of 2011 graduated with a 179+, despite what it says on the back of your transcript. While a 177 may be median in a given class, it is well below cumulative median GPA because there are generally a few more As than Cs and most Cs that do occur are high Cs. Furthermore, a professor can give out a ton of 177s and count them towards the bottom end of the distribution. I would guess that a 178 is closer to the median cumulative GPA than a 177. That said, a better question -- and one that I'm sure varies -- is whether firms actually calculate cumulative GPAs. Also, how accurate they can be if they don't, i.e. LRW appears 3 times on your transcript but is only 4 credits while contracts appears twice but is 6 credits. Therefore, a good LRW grade may seem deceptively important.

[Anonymous User]

30% of the class of 2011 graduated with a 179+, despite what it says on the back of your transcript.

That's because many 2L and 3L classes have a 179 curve, and some have no curve at all.

In regard to the curve, nobody really knows. There are some years where 179.5 is enough to grade onto Law Review (so top 10 percent grades). Other years, it's more like 180.5. So really, nobody knows but comparing it to graduation GPAs and ranks is silly.

[Anonymous User]

It's not just a comparison of graduation rank --although that's what your transcript provides for the employers as a reference. The other facts that I alluded to clearly push the median well north of 177.

[Anonymous User]

It's not just a comparison of graduation rank --although that's what your transcript provides for the employers as a reference. The other facts that I alluded to clearly push the median well north of 177.

178 is "well north"? Honestly, I'm not sure an employer would care if you're at 177 or 178 or which one is median. The interviewer would probably look at your grades and guesstimate you at median.