Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing Forum

[Anonymous User]

A MM success story for you all, just to potentially heighten hopes.

Accepted my firm for the summer yesterday after a month and a half of fierce mass-mailing and interviewing. Lower V100, but super-nice firm with really kind staff and a strong litigation department (which is good for my focus on white-collar). Sent out maybe two hundred applications total, not including my 21 OCI interviews (which all rejected me).

Keep going. Something will come up.

[Companion Cube]

A MM success story for you all, just to potentially heighten hopes.

Accepted my firm for the summer yesterday after a month and a half of fierce mass-mailing and interviewing. Lower V100, but super-nice firm with really kind staff and a strong litigation department (which is good for my focus on white-collar). Sent out maybe two hundred applications total, not including my 21 OCI interviews (which all rejected me).

Keep going. Something will come up.

Congrats!

[Anonymous User]

just got an interview in NY from mailing, there is still hope

[Anonymous User]

just got an interview in NY from mailing, there is still hope

stats?

[Anonymous User]

just got an interview in NY from mailing, there is still hope

stats?

t14 transfer, was top 3% 1L

[Anonymous User]

how long do we wait to follow up on firms that still haven't dinged? 3 to 4 weeks?

[Anonymous User]

Dinged by basically all the BigLaw firms in my target market (S. Fl). I know that this market moves a little slower than others when it comes to hiring. Should I start mass mailing local mid-sized firms at this point?

[Anonymous User]

When should I start mass mailing for law clerk positions? Got some CBs from mass mailing for SA positions but no offers yet.

[Kratos]

When should I start mass mailing for law clerk positions? Got some CBs from mass mailing for SA positions but no offers yet.

what do you mean by law clerk positions?

anyway, why wait? if you get biglaw, great! if not at least you've started the leg work to land something else

[Anonymous User]

I mean unpaid + no job offer firm work.

[Anonymous User]

I mean unpaid + no job offer firm work.

Pretty sure unpaid private firm work is illegal (for the employer). They will have to deny that you ever were employed at the firm. Furthermore, in the future when you apply to other employers, many require past salary information...might lead to problems as they will see that you were in an illegal employment relationship. Therefore when you apply to your next job, and your past employer denies every having employed you, and your prospective employer sees what happened...

Not worth it. At all.

[Winter is Coming]

I mean unpaid + no job offer firm work.

The weirdest stuff pops up in this thread.

[Anonymous User]

Got an interview through mailing with a big firm in a big market. I don't know any details about it though, such as who I am meeting with or how many people, so idk if its a screener or a straight to CB type interview. This late in the game, would firms still bring you to the firm just for a screener and then if they like you bring you back a second time for a CB?

[LitttUp]

I mean unpaid + no job offer firm work.

I think you might mean either: 1) unpaid public interest, 2) unpaid academic credit work experiences, or 3) low-paying, hourly firm internships with no expectation of post-grad job offers.

To all three, I say wait. 1) Those types of positions generally don't know their hiring needs yet, 2) there are just way too many of those positions to give up an ideal situation this early. I really think you can get one of these type is positions pretty easily 4-5 months from now if nothing else pans out. Don't close the door on "real" positions now just because you wanted to lock something up for the sake of having locked something up 8 months before summer, 3) you have a shot to bring your grades up this semester before you apply to new places.

[Winter is Coming]

Yeah but a ton of government/PI competitive programs hire on the same timeline as 2L firm SAs.

[LitttUp]

Yeah but a ton of government/PI competitive programs hire on the same timeline as 2L firm SAs.

I agree. Maybe it's different at your school, but we use "law clerk" to generally mean option 3 (low-paying, hourly wage, small firm, no job offer). If that is indeed what anon is talking about, I stand by my answer.

If not, then consider applying now. However, I again think it's a little risky to lock up something that you clearly didn't want in the first place simply to be done with the process. Figure out what you truly want and then go after that. Don't keep changing your dream every few weeks just so that you don't have to stress about finding an internship anymore.

[Anonymous User]

I've sent a cover letter and a resume to a few places in town where I would like to work. But I sent these materials without there being a job post. A lot of these places are small firms, with just a couple attorneys.

How do you guys recommend I follow up with them without being a pest, considering they never posted a job in the first place?

[bsktbll28082]

MM'd a bunch of firms for SAs last year, no luck. Time to start up again. Hopefully spots are opening up for full-time offers like previous posters mentioned.

Sorry, are you just starting MM'ing now?
That might be your problem right there. You're waiting until near the end of the hiring process to start sending out apps? You're in trouble, mate.

Trying to get in if their original choices fall through (they choose another firm). Currently a 3L. I've heard some firms are only discovering their needs now anyways. We'll see what happens.

[Anonymous User]

interview with a V10 via mailing, it's not too late

[Anonymous User]

What's your school range and class rank?

[Anonymous User]

Still mailing

[The game is flawed]

T14 3L jerbless. 0 CBs the past two years. Massmailed over the last few months but no bites at all. Followed up with a certain firm, no response but according to yesware my email has been opened 39! times over the last two weeks. Gotta love a good tease.

[Anonymous User]

I am a 2L from a top 30 School Top 20%. I didnt get any CB from any of our OCI firms. I only had 2 screeners from the 150+ Firms I mailed, no cb. I am considering re-mailing most of the first at this point, is this thought of as a waste of time? Should I mail local firms that rejected me locally with an update to my resume?

[Anonymous User]

Has anyone had experience interviewing at a boutique/small/mid-size firm with only one 2L SA position? My CB interview was a bit over a week ago, so I know with the holidays and everything, my response will probably be delayed even further. The last person to interview me was an associate who I could tell didn't really know about the hiring process, so I didn't ask him for a time frame, try to get a sense of how many they were interviewing, or ask if they were still interviewing. I don't know anyone else who has done an SA with them, and they're not on NALP. It's so hard to be patient with the added stress of finals.

[Anonymous User]

Two questions about mass mailing:

1. Should I use special thick paper for the cover letter and resume? Or just the resume?

2. If mass mailing by snail mail, should I use large or small envelopes?

The smaller envelopes are obviously a lot cheaper to mail, but I worry that a resume doesn't look as slick when taken out of a size ten envelope. I feel like there is less of a chance I'll be screened that way.